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Thread: Spring Cutters Crew Vol 36: Beer Guts to Beer Cuts

post 1511100441 07-08-2017, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
The 2-2-1 is talking about calories? How often do you work out? What's your goal weight and how fat are you away now?
I lift 5 times a week. I do hiit 3-4 times a week. Not sure what my bf is now, goal wise I just want to be a bit leaner. I don't have a specific number in mind, I'll just drop what I need to until I'm happy with it
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
A new study just confirmed that HIIT method of cardio training has the same exact effects as moderate and low intensity cardio, while doing it in much less time. I mean, everything, from fat burning to cardiac health to pulmonary.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0154075
The argument against HIIT on a cut is that it impacts recovery more than low intensity cardio. Especially if you train legs in the gym multiple times per week. I know Mike Israetel for example was against it for bodybuilders contest prepping.

Also an anecdotal note but I find that HIIT makes me hungrier when I'm cutting while walking for a while doesn't really do anything to my appetite.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Truth. A lot of articles of Mentzer vs. Yates style I've read. Both legends in my book and I learned a lot from both.



I do not disagree with anything you said. Two biggest reason why HIT, in my opinion, were the exact two things you said. Lack of volume + chance of injury. To go with your point, changing up to a HIT workout for a 8-10 week cycle is never a bad idea, but I never had a lot of success unless I had a motivating training partner with me. Sucks alone.
Just play singles tennis, it's more enjoyable than doing HIIT on a treadmill and you get your interval training. Treadmills are boring and don't simulate reality.
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Just finished up a press workout. Trying to get ready for the workload that is Jacked n Tan so I tried to get through it as fast as possible. Have the sickest pump right now but I'm starving. Think I'm going to find some carbs and go to town.

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post 1511152651 07-08-2017, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Beerculez⏩
The argument against HIIT on a cut is that it impacts recovery more than low intensity cardio. Especially if you train legs in the gym multiple times per week. I know Mike Israetel for example was against it for bodybuilders contest prepping.

....
I used HIIT and cycling for cardio for my last two shows (2014).
The previous shows I did inclined walking on the treadmil.

I held onto more muscle with the cycling cardio..
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SEE avi.
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I guess its time for this again!.

http://www.rxmuscle.com/radio//Muscl...ge03-12-13.mp3
Start at 30 min.

This changed my view on cardio.

Upright bike for HIIT.
Upright bike for cardio.

Cycling is hip flexion
Running and walking uses knee flexion

Cycling doesn't damage the muscle as much as running.


Have a GREAT weekend!


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post 1511152861 07-08-2017, 08:00 PM
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No eccentric portion of cycling so recovery is easy.
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Originally Posted By Beerculez⏩
That seems to be me this week. Averaged very low caloric intake the last 7 days or so, geting leaner in the mirror. Today I lifted and walked around for about 9 hours at work, at 1600 kcals only. Currently feeling bloated af, stomach feels all watery. Probably because of cortisol.

It'll come off eventually in a whoosh. For me weight loss on the scale seems to be pretty sporadic and not linear.
exactly trust the mirror and process

when im 240 now looks way different than 2 years ago lol
Originally Posted By Melis689⏩
I lift 5 times a week. I do hiit 3-4 times a week. Not sure what my bf is now, goal wise I just want to be a bit leaner. I don't have a specific number in mind, I'll just drop what I need to until I'm happy with it
thats good so assuming you want abs you aren't too far off, how often you working core? Front squats etc count here, paused squats feel much worse than planks with plates on my back lol
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Originally Posted By Melis689⏩
Plateaued again. I was at 1500 last week, I don't think I lost anything. Don't really want to drop more tbh. Went back up to 1600 this week (I was in Malta last weekend and relaxed, so had a bit of water to drop). Is it worth reversing? Can anyone advise anything? I am counting accurately btw. Was dropping fat steadily and then stopped. I don't think my body wants to become twink like
for a female 1500 is still quite high. most manlets have to drop below that to get lean.
as a natural you will have to borderline starve yourself to get the results you want. or do crazy amount of cardio. thats your options.
but at some point you will have to increase activity rather than drop cals to nothing.
reversing is for the most part unnecessary. your body is always going to fight you.
also females have other factors like periods and water retention which can make it hard to gauge progress at times.
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Originally Posted By SPARTAAAAA⏩
for a female 1500 is still quite high. most manlets have to drop below that to get lean.
as a natural you will have to borderline starve yourself to get the results you want. or do crazy amount of cardio. thats your options.
but at some point you will have to increase activity rather than drop cals to nothing.
reversing is for the most part unnecessary. your body is always going to fight you.
also females have other factors like periods and water retention which can make it hard to gauge progress at times.
1500 is too low for a female and putting her in a dangerous category according to my ED nutritionist. She wants me minimum 1800 calories a day one days with no exercise, which causes weight gain
post 1511191971 07-09-2017, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted By deltpecx⏩
I used HIIT and cycling for cardio for my last two shows (2014).
The previous shows I did inclined walking on the treadmil.

I held onto more muscle with the cycling cardio..
<<<<
SEE avi.
<<<<

I guess its time for this again!.

http://www.rxmuscle.com/radio//Muscl...ge03-12-13.mp3
Start at 30 min.

This changed my view on cardio.

Upright bike for HIIT.
Upright bike for cardio.

Cycling is hip flexion
Running and walking uses knee flexion

Cycling doesn't damage the muscle as much as running.


Have a GREAT weekend!


Dem Tour de France pumped quads!



BTW Tour de France is one TV the next two weeks.
I know cycling is better for joints. I also know that HIIT can be effective for fat loss.

However to me cycling on a stationary bike really feels like a chore/boring and doing HIIT sessions feels like a lot of extra work. An HIIT session on my off day makes the off day no longer an off day to me since HIIT is hard training not just recovery work. So if I do these things it just makes the whole diet feel like more work and more mentally stressing.

However doing something like an hour walk outside in the sun while listening to a podcast is pretty chill and doesn't feel like a lot of work but it does burn some calories. So for me I'd rather do that. I'm not contest prepping, I'd be happy with about 9-10% bodyfat. I think for people who try to get beach ripped and not contest shredded it's better to do what you enjoy rather than doing something you find to be a chore for a minimal extra benefit. For me it probably wouldn't add any benefit at all since it would stress me more mentally and make the cut feel more ''hard'' which could effect hormones and diet adherence. For HIIT session I need to pshyche myself up and motivate myself. Don't really need to do that to take a walk outside.
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Originally Posted By deadliftbrah19⏩
1500 is too low for a female and putting her in a dangerous category according to my ED nutritionist. She wants me minimum 1800 calories a day one days with no exercise, which causes weight gain
Probably because your nutritionist knows nothing about being lean and only knows what the books tell her is "healthy" for the general public. Dieticians are guilt of this too. They want you to consume 40-60g of protein and fill the rest in with carbs and whatever fat you come across. What they fail to realize is, 60g of protein was established based on developing countries. We are not a developing country and need more than that, especially when active.

My wife is a T1 diabetic. She has amazing control of her diabetes and he insulin use is quite low, which is a good thing. The dietician wanted to change up her diet and suggested we double her carb intake. LMAO!! That means double the insulin intake, which means more difficulty controlling her blood sugars, which also leads to even more weight gain over what the carbs will already be adding. The dietician's diet would have made her gain over 30lbs.

Unless you work with a nutritionist/dietician that has real world experience in all areas, take their advice with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted By BulkToDeath⏩
Started on April 1st at 212lbs, down to 179.8lbs.
how many calories?
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post 1511195771 07-09-2017, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Unless you work with a nutritionist/dietician that has real world experience in all areas, take their advice with a grain of salt.
Reading the works of nutritionists that work in research = GOAT

no need for consulting with idiots who couldn't even choose a decent degree
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Originally Posted By deadliftbrah19⏩
1500 is too low for a female and putting her in a dangerous category according to my ED nutritionist. She wants me minimum 1800 calories a day one days with no exercise, which causes weight gain
Nutritionists are obviously gona advise you eat more though, it's their job to make sure you don't stray back into ED territory . They don't necessarily know much about getting lean. 1500 is nowhere near dangerous, I've done it before and felt fine (albeit hungry of course). We sometimes have to take "extreme" measures to get our desired results and if we can afford to (ie, we're at a healthy bf % and have weight to lose) then it's fine
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Yeah sorry but if you're a natty female you're not gonna be getting lean on 1800 calories. Even juicehead females are eating low amounts of food.

When I was sub 150lbs I was eating 1800 calories and losing 1lb per week and I was VERY active.


Females weren't meant for the bodybuilding lifestyle tbh. It fukks them up mentally because of the poverty amounts of food they can consume, which severely limits their quality social interactions.



Females
Small framed men

Either resort to drugs to increase tdee or

Just run from fitness tbh
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It can be depressing thought but we can push ourselves to be the best version we can, and hopefully the results are worth it
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
Yeah sorry but if you're a natty female you're not gonna be getting lean on 1800 calories. Even juicehead females are eating low amounts of food.

When I was sub 150lbs I was eating 1800 calories and losing 1lb per week and I was VERY active.


Females weren't meant for the bodybuilding lifestyle tbh. It fukks them up mentally because of the poverty amounts of food they can consume, which severely limits their quality social interactions.



Females
Small framed men

Either resort to drugs to increase tdee or

Just run from fitness tbh
Tours over boyos. I'm out.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
Tours over boyos. I'm out.
lol Inorite? I am an ecto, guess dis is why I have to eat so little to get shredded, even with decent muscle mass.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
Tours over boyos. I'm out.
Increase your TDEE via muscle mass, activity or drugs and you can avoid this problem. I did.
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
lol Inorite? I am an ecto, guess dis is why I have to eat so little to get shredded, even with decent muscle mass.
You've said yourself you're sedentary so I dont think that really even counts.




Activity isnt a linear increase either.

If you are 200lbs and 20% bodyfat and increase your activity from 2500 to 10000 steps per day, you might burn an extra 2-300 calories

If you are 200lbs and 10% bodyfat and increase your activity from 2500 to 10000 steps per day, you might burn an extra 4-500 calories

Muscle mass takes more to support.


That is why activity is so important. It's hard to pull something from nothing.
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
Increase your TDEE via muscle mass, activity or drugs and you can avoid this problem. I did.



You've said yourself you're sedentary so I dont think that really even counts.




Activity isnt a linear increase either.

If you are 200lbs and 20% bodyfat and increase your activity from 2500 to 10000 steps per day, you might burn an extra 2-300 calories

If you are 200lbs and 10% bodyfat and increase your activity from 2500 to 10000 steps per day, you might burn an extra 4-500 calories

Muscle mass takes more to support.


That is why activity is so important. It's hard to pull something from nothing.
can confirm having more muscle on your frame is the best way to increase tdee. It's like a bigger motor on a car, it's less efficient and requires more fuel to run, in b4 someone says less efficient means you have "slow" metabolism.
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Dead in here today. I guess everyone is too busy spending this fine Sunday praying about all the times you messed up this week.

Go ahead, confess your sins, Jesus is waiting.
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Saw the female who plateaued on 1500 cals, brb at a fairly lean 150 lbs I had to drop to 1400 cals to keep going down, but couldn't handle it and it was the end of the cut.

If you have a legit ED that required professional help at some point then you probably shouldn't be doing this at all tbh. I'm not talking about how half this thread claims to have a "binging disorder", but if you were a true anorexic or bulimic at some point then trying to get shredded is a nice slippery slope for you to be navigating.
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Dead in here today. I guess everyone is too busy spending this fine Sunday praying about all the times you messed up this week.

Go ahead, confess your sins, Jesus is waiting.
Went to three different breweries this weekend. Hiking and kayaking all day in between them so hopefully God has mercy on my soul.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
A new study just confirmed that HIIT method of cardio training has thesame exact effects as moderate and low intensity cardio, while doing it in much less time. I mean, everything, from fat burning to cardiac health to pulmonary.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0154075
A systematic review and meta-analysis of interval training versus moderate-intensity continuous training on body adiposity;
High-intensity interval training/sprint interval training
appears to provide similar benefits to MICT for body fat
reduction; however, HIIT/SIT is not a superior method for
fat loss when directly compared with MICT. HIIT/SIT
protocols that are lower in time commitment and expend
less energy may not confer the same benefit on total body
fat reduction compared with MICT. While both HIIT/SIT
and MICT significantly reduced total body fat and fat mass,
neither produced clinically meaningful reductions in body
fat. Therefore, while interval training is an effective method
for improving cardiorespiratory fitness, if body fat reduction
is a therapeutic target, exercise interventions require
an adequate volume of energy expenditure, which may not
be possible with HIIT or SIT.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28513103
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Originally Posted By Gibb1991⏩
Saw the female who plateaued on 1500 cals, brb at a fairly lean 150 lbs I had to drop to 1400 cals to keep going down, but couldn't handle it and it was the end of the cut.

If you have a legit ED that required professional help at some point then you probably shouldn't be doing this at all tbh. I'm not talking about how half this thread claims to have a "binging disorder", but if you were a true anorexic or bulimic at some point then trying to get shredded is a nice slippery slope for you to be navigating.



Went to three different breweries this weekend. Hiking and kayaking all day in between them so hopefully God has mercy on my soul.
It wasn't me with the ED btw... I'm the one who plateaued at 1500 though
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
Yeah sorry but if you're a natty female you're not gonna be getting lean on 1800 calories. Even juicehead females are eating low amounts of food.

When I was sub 150lbs I was eating 1800 calories and losing 1lb per week and I was VERY active.


Females weren't meant for the bodybuilding lifestyle tbh. It fukks them up mentally because of the poverty amounts of food they can consume, which severely limits their quality social interactions.



Females
Small framed men

Either resort to drugs to increase tdee or

Just run from fitness tbh
I've been competing in tennis since I was 10 years old. I'm not going to run from fitness. I got into lifting when I broke my foot in tennis, so I went in the gym on crutches and lifted what I could.

But yes 1500 calories makes me hungry and dizzy
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Probably because your nutritionist knows nothing about being lean and only knows what the books tell her is "healthy" for the general public. Dieticians are guilt of this too. They want you to consume 40-60g of protein and fill the rest in with carbs and whatever fat you come across. What they fail to realize is, 60g of protein was established based on developing countries. We are not a developing country and need more than that, especially when active.

My wife is a T1 diabetic. She has amazing control of her diabetes and he insulin use is quite low, which is a good thing. The dietician wanted to change up her diet and suggested we double her carb intake. LMAO!! That means double the insulin intake, which means more difficulty controlling her blood sugars, which also leads to even more weight gain over what the carbs will already be adding. The dietician's diet would have made her gain over 30lbs.

Unless you work with a nutritionist/dietician that has real world experience in all areas, take their advice with a grain of salt.
It's an Eating Disorder nutritionist, believe me they drive me up the wall and I have been fired by some. I've seen at least 10 of them and they just want to fatten me up to prevent a relapse. But I know that dieting does bring it back and lands me back in the ER.

I don't like being overweight and tell them to put me in the middle, not as thin as I was but a healthy size, not overweight. They just say "oh you'll eventually get to your set point once your body lets go of the extra fat from the starvation you gave it from dieting (1200 cals a day, 2-3 hours of exercise for about 1 year)" grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

No professional has been able to help me reach a normal size in many years, it's quite frustrating but they say to just accept yourself and be happy you're healthy and not hopping from hospital to hospital.
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Originally Posted By deadliftbrah19⏩
1500 is too low for a female and putting her in a dangerous category according to my ED nutritionist. She wants me minimum 1800 calories a day one days with no exercise, which causes weight gain
Shut the **** up
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Originally Posted By deadliftbrah19⏩
I've been competing in tennis since I was 10 years old. I'm not going to run from fitness. I got into lifting when I broke my foot in tennis, so I went in the gym on crutches and lifted what I could.

But yes 1500 calories makes me hungry and dizzy
How does 1500 cals make you dizzy and 1800 make you fat?


That's in your head (srs). You attach happiness to a number of calories. Myself and NUMEROUS others have gone well below 1500 calories for extended periods. Most of us have done PSMF with under 1k cals. It's not healthy but it does work.


If 1800 makes you fat and 1500 makes you dizzy, then you either have something wrong physically, or something wrong mentally
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