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Thread: We should of drawn the line at accepting gays.

post 1513598671 07-27-2017, 02:15 PM
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If they wanna be a tranny that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that they're just a bunch mentally ill crossdressers with mutilated genitals.

I'll never accept them as the gender they are trying to portray because I don't believe in fairy tales
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This is what gays should aspire to be like.


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Originally Posted By nbk92⏩
I don't have a problem with trannies. But it should be illegal for them to have cosmetic surgery or remove their Adam's apple.
Why? Afraid you might bang one?

Lmao, strong insecurity; if a tranny is good enough to fool you and actually looks like a girl it's essentially banging a girl, and if you get fooled by a manly one I got some news brah, you gay.

Cosmetic surgery is an American norm, if you made that illegal you'd also have to get rid of boobs jobs, nose jobs, calf inserts, and hair implants. Do you want to get rid of those too?
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Originally Posted By Bigboysz⏩
Trannie are the last group though right?
Nothing can really come after them....rite?
People will want to become hermaphrodites.
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I'll never forget the sheit spouted in my cultural anthropology class

BRB men and women brains are biologically identical, there is no such thing as masculine and feminine, gender is a social construct

BRB it's possible to be born in a male body with a female brain
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Being transgendered by itself is not a mental disorder.
Gender dysphoria IS a mental disorder.
Not all people who are transgendered meet diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria.

The end.
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I'll never forget the sheit spouted in my cultural anthropology class

BRB men and women brains are biologically identical, there is no such thing as masculine and feminine, gender is a social construct

BRB it's possible to be born in a male body with a female brain
It IS possible though of course extremely rare. XX and XY chromo****l patterns tend to promote separate and distinct hormonal cascades at critical periods throughout development (e.g., in utero, during puberty, etc.). However, itispossible to have an XX chromo****l pattern but then "accidentally" (for lack of a better word) have the male hormonal cascade triggered in utero thus equipping a "masculine" brain.

Refer to any neuroendocrinology textbook. The mechanisms for this are quite well-understood.
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genetics kinda fked them, but whatever makes them happy to deal with the hand they were dealt
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
Being transgendered by itself is not a mental disorder.
Gender dysphoria IS a mental disorder.
Not all people who are transgendered meet diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria.

The end.
so the people who dont actually have gender dysphoria but decide to switch their gender for some other reason anywayaren'tmentally ill? good to know
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
Being transgendered by itself is not a mental disorder.
Gender dysphoria IS a mental disorder.
Not all people who are transgendered meet diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria.

The end.
I asked you a question in the other thread that you might have missed brah. How can somebody being transgendereditselfnot be considered a mental illness?

Somebody that is objectively male, with XY chromosomes, believing they are female (when they biologically are not) is downright insane. How could they be considered mentally stable, especially when around half of them attempt suicide?
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I think we should have drawn the line before gays. We had it right as a mental illness the first time.

Face it, gay is still completely abnormal by the very definition. It is also a disability/impairment to your life in the sense if you wanted to procreate you would be unable. It meets all criteria to be a mental illness to be completely honest.

Don't even get me started on trans

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Originally Posted By portamoral⏩
so the people who dont actually have gender dysphoria but decide to switch their gender for some other reason anywayaren'tmentally ill? good to know
The very post you quoted indicates those reasons. There are very clear biological mechanisms for how sex and gender can diverge. While genes influence the biological cascade that takes place during critical periods in sexual development, there can be divergent events. E.g., if estrogen is not converted to testosterone via aromatoseat a very critical window in utero, then it's perfectly conceivable that an animal born with male genes can have a female brain per biological/hormonal underpinnings.
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I asked you a question in the other thread that you might have missed brah. How can somebody being transgendereditselfnot be considered a mental illness?

Somebody that is objectively male, with XY chromosomes, believing they are female (when they biologically are not) is downright insane. How could they be considered mentally stable, especially when around half of them attempt suicide?
Why is it insane? Again: if there are biological explanations, and if the condition does notintrinsicallyresult in problems, then what's the disorder? That there is anassociationis insufficient for a disorder. That there are a sufficiently large subset of trans individuals who donothave the problematic outcomes you describe contradicts the notion of a disorder.

I may have said this in another thread, but it'd be as though a large portion of individuals diagnosed with MDD don't experience depression. If that's the case, then your "MDD" diagnostic construct is not particularly valid/reliable. Similarly, that there is a large portion of transgendered individuals who do not experience this intense psychological turmoil and subsequent difficulty functioning indicates that simply being transgenderedby itselfis not a disorder.
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
The very post you quoted indicates those reasons. There are very clear biological mechanisms for how sex and gender can diverge. While genes influence the biological cascade that takes place during critical periods in sexual development, there can be divergent events. E.g., if estrogen is not converted to testosterone via aromatoseat a very critical window in utero, then it's perfectly conceivable that an animal born with male genes can have a female brain per biological/hormonal underpinnings.



Why is it insane? Again: if there are biological explanations, andif the condition does not intrinsically result in problems, then what's the disorder? That there is anassociationis insufficient for a disorder. That there are a sufficiently large subset of trans individuals who donothave the problematic outcomes you describe contradicts the notion of a disorder.

I may have said this in another thread, but it'd be as though a large portion of individuals diagnosed with MDD don't experience depression. If that's the case, then your "MDD" diagnostic construct is not particularly valid/reliable. Similarly, that there is a large portion of transgendered individuals who do not experience this intense psychological turmoil and subsequent difficulty functioning indicates that simply being transgenderedby itselfis not a disorder.
Sorry but thinking you should be a woman when you are a man is definitely mental distress and is problematic.

This is like arguing depression isn't intrinsically problematic. It's the mental state that is the problem buddy. If you're a man and think you should be a woman your mental state is f*cked. You have a problem. Intrinsically
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
The very post you quoted indicates those reasons. There are very clear biological mechanisms for how sex and gender can diverge. While genes influence the biological cascade that takes place during critical periods in sexual development, there can be divergent events. E.g., if estrogen is not converted to testosterone via aromatoseat a very critical window in utero, then it's perfectly conceivable that an animal born with male genes can have a female brain per biological/hormonal underpinnings.
guess i should've read the second part lol. interdasting

not sure how you can differentiate between gender dysphoria and this so called intrinsic transgenderism though

edit; just read more of your next post. so you're saying the only way to tell is if the person has psychological turmoil associated with their identity feelings? i mean what person experiencing these things, natural or not,wouldn'tbe conflicted in some way? how is this an effective way to group them?

personally, i'm sure the stigma attached to it alone would be enough to make me depressed even if there wasn't something mentally wrong with me in the first place.
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Have nothing against gays/trans bc I can't speak on something I have no perspective of. I don't believe it's a choice bc I can't remember anytime in my life where I made a conscious decision to "like" women, I just do.
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Originally Posted By deadhead6391⏩
If they wanna be a tranny that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that they're just a bunch mentally ill crossdressers with mutilated genitals.

I'll never accept them as the gender they are trying to portray because I don't believe in fairy tales
This....

I was talking to a gay dude at work who was once on a soapbox singing a heroic song for Bruce Jenner. I asked "So the whole transgender, 'I'm a woman, call me Lisa because I identify as a woman, and want to go in the ladies room' thing is acceptable right? Then why can't I, as a black man, bleach my skin, have excessive work done to my face, perm my hair, dye it blonde, put in blue contacts, and start demanding everyone refer to me as 'Musketeer Brah the White Man' all while I start checking 'Caucasian' on all of my forms?" He said "That's not the same." Aight.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Sorry but thinking you should be a woman when you are a man is definitely mental distress and is problematic.

This is like arguing depression isn't intrinsically problematic. It's the mental state that is the problem buddy. If you're a man and think you should be a woman your mental state is f*cked. You have a problem. Intrinsically
This is just how you feel about the situation; it's not reflective of anything particularly rational or scientifically-driven. Passing it off as though you're being objective here is just dishonest.

Interracial marriage was once intrinsically problematic, and being a man drawn to a woman of a different ethnicity indicated one's mental state was f*cked. You're arguing from a position of culture and passing it off as though the biology behind it reflects the cultural values.
Originally Posted By portamoral⏩
guess i should've read the second part lol. interdasting

not sure how you can differentiate between gender dysphoria and this so called intrinsic transgenderism though

edit; just read more of your next post. so you're saying the only way to tell is if the person has psychological turmoil associated with their identity feelings? i mean what person experiencing these things, natural or not,wouldn'tbe conflicted in some way? how is this an effective way to group them?

personally, i'm sure the stigma attached to it alone would be enough to make me depressed even if there wasn't something mentally wrong with me in the first place.
Dysphoria indicatesclinicaldistress or interference.
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I get the slippery slope argument, but why draw the line at something that's ok just to avoid something that's not ok later? Why can't we just draw the line at the thing that's not ok?
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should have drawn the line at accepting sexually related flamboyancy regardless of sexual orientation. If two dudes want to bang so be it how does this have anything to do with loving/wanting to fuk a person of the same gender?



Along with trans folks, if they want to dress and act not their gender let them but if you have a dik and you try to go into a womens bathroom you should be punished to the full extent of the law as a sexual predator would. Same with women I suppose, although if a hot chick wants to come shake me off after I take a leak I could probably be ok with that.
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
Why is it insane?
If a ginger white guy said - "I believe I'm a black person trapped in a white person's body" with a straight face, would you call that person "brave" or just plain psychotic?
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Originally Posted By thigoonar⏩
If a ginger white guy said - "I believe I'm a black person trapped in a white person's body" with a straight face, would you call that person "brave" or just plain psychotic?
This is a false equivalence. There arenoknown biochemical mechanisms that could possibly account for such a thing. Conversely, the very biochemical mechanisms that do account for transgendered individuals are thoroughly understood.

You're comparing something with no biological basis to something with a well known biological basis.
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Originally Posted By Atem69⏩
ive suspected for a while from my own research that being born gay is basically a birth defect caused by unfavorable hormone levels in the womb. Its interesting stuff
It's pretty obvious that lesbians have more testosterone than the typical woman. It fuels their attraction to other women and also makes them better athletes. Women's tennis and basketball are filled with lesbians. Even the LPGA has a bunch of them.

We all start off in the womb as blank slates for the first few weeks until the male hormones kick in that make us male. It stands to reason that some women get a higher dose of those male hormones in the womb than they should just due to random variations/mutations in the genes that control this process and that's the difference between women who are only attracted to men and women who are also attracted to other women.
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
This is a false equivalence. There arenoknown biochemical mechanisms that could possibly account for such a thing. Conversely, the very biochemical mechanisms that do account for transgendered individuals are thoroughly understood.

You're comparing something with no biological basis to something with a well known biological basis.
So you agree that Talcum X and Rachel Dolezal are just scam artists?


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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
So you agree that Talcum X and Rachel Dolezal are just scam artists?


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Who is Shaun King? Another Rachel Dolezal? Regarding the latter: yes. There's absolutely no physiological process one can point to and say "here's what explains hertransracial(lol) identity."
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
This is a false equivalence. There arenoknown biochemical mechanisms that could possibly account for such a thing. Conversely, the very biochemical mechanisms that do account for transgendered individuals are thoroughly understood.

You're comparing something with no biological basis to something with a well known biological basis.
The biological mechanisms behind paranoid schizophrenia are also well understood.

It's still a mental illness and paranoid schizophrenics still can't serve (rightfully so).
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Originally Posted By mynameisuntz⏩
This is a false equivalence. There arenoknown biochemical mechanisms that could possibly account for such a thing.Conversely, the very biochemical mechanisms that do account for transgendered individuals are thoroughly understood.

You're comparing something with no biological basis to something with a well known biological basis.
What biological basis does somebody who hasXY chromosomeshave to justify the belief that they arebiologicallyfemale, despite them beinggeneticallymale?
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
The biological mechanisms behind paranoid schizophrenia are also well understood.

It's still a mental illness and paranoid schizophrenics still can't serve (rightfully so).
It's a mental disorder because itconsistentlyresults in distress and problems in functioning that aredirectly attributableto the cluster of symptoms identified as "schizophrenia." If, say, 50% of people with schizophrenia did not have distress or problems with daily functioning in society, then schizophrenia wouldn't be a mental disorder. Period.

Only when there is evidence showing that it is the construct of transgenderism,notthe social treatment/rejection or some other attached distress (e.g., accompanying MDD), then you cannot declare transgenderism as being disordered in itself. It is, by itself, not sufficient.
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What biological basis does somebody who hasXY chromosomeshave to justify the belief that they arebiologicallyfemale, despite them beinggeneticallymale?
Have you read any of my posts? This would literally be the third time I've addressed this exact thing. If, for example, there is a biological occurrence where aromatase does not convert estrogen to testosterone in utero, which istypicallywhat happens with the XY chromo****l pattern, then the CNS (i.e., brain) can develop in a way where hormonal regulation mimics that of a woman rather than a man.

Per CNS development, we all start out female; that is the default. If the masculinizing hormones don't take root to deter developmentawayfrom female andtowardsmale, then you could have XY chromosomes coupled with a "female" brain. Hormonally speaking.
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Originally Posted By thigoonar⏩
What biological basis does somebody who hasXY chromosomeshave to justify the belief that they arebiologicallyfemale, despite them beinggeneticallymale?
Your biological sex is the same as your genetic sex
Transgenders feel as though their gender identity is different from their assigned sex
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