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Thread: Humanity makes me sick. This is what would happen within days of being nuked.

post 1519163191 09-12-2017, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted By MNGA1⏩
The only scenario where a society completely saturated with guns would have an advantage in a post apocalyptic world would be something like a zombie epidemic.

During a complete economic collapse or in the aftermath of a nuclear war, no way in hell would there be any advantage in everyone of your neighbours and every criminal scumbag having a gun, when survival instincts kick in and people start looting. Can run away from a scumbag with a knife (provided you have been doing cardio), cant outrun 30 bullets going in your direction.

additionally, even if you have a gun and are a decent shooter, ok maybe you'll be able to win the first fire fight and get into that store for supplies. Then some scumbag shoots you in the back as you are exiting the store or a gang armed to the teeth shows up. More fire in the target=you probably end up dead, even if you manage to pop one or two.

European gun laws>American Gun laws is the moral of the story here.
So, you're looking at this from the perspective of "being a looter scavenging while trying to evade criminal gangs".

If you're a non-looter, there's a tremendous advantage. LOL
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Originally Posted By MNGA1⏩
The only scenario where a society completely saturated with guns would have an advantage in a post apocalyptic world would be something like a zombie epidemic.

During a complete economic collapse or in the aftermath of a nuclear war, no way in hell would there be any advantage in everyone of your neighbours and every criminal scumbag having a gun, when survival instincts kick in and people start looting. Can run away from a scumbag with a knife (provided you have been doing cardio), cant outrun 30 bullets going in your direction.

additionally, even if you have a gun and are a decent shooter, ok maybe you'll be able to win the first fire fight and get into that store for supplies. Then some scumbag shoots you in the back as you are exiting the store or a gang armed to the teeth shows up. More fire in the target=you probably end up dead, even if you manage to pop one or two.

European gun laws>American Gun laws is the moral of the story here.
European gun laws. Lol
post 1519163721 09-12-2017, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted By MNGA1⏩
The only scenario where a society completely saturated with guns would have an advantage in a post apocalyptic world would be something like a zombie epidemic.

During a complete economic collapse or in the aftermath of a nuclear war, no way in hell would there be any advantage in everyone of your neighbours and every criminal scumbag having a gun, when survival instincts kick in and people start looting. Can run away from a scumbag with a knife (provided you have been doing cardio), cant outrun 30 bullets going in your direction.

additionally, even if you have a gun and are a decent shooter, ok maybe you'll be able to win the first fire fight and get into that store for supplies. Then some scumbag shoots you in the back as you are exiting the store or a gang armed to the teeth shows up. More fire in the target=you probably end up dead, even if you manage to pop one or two.

European gun laws>American Gun laws is the moral of the story here.
LOL... wtf?

So in the aftermath of complete economic collapse it's better that we gave up all our guns before the collapse? Are fukkin trying to be this stupid or do you have a disease? Please explain how all the scum of the earth looking to exploit the lawless status of a collapsed society will suddenly not have guns because law abiding people voted them out before the collapse.

No thanks Jeff. Give me a gun and a fighting chance. I'll die not feeling completely helpless with a knife in a gun fight.

brb UK brahs better be on top of their cardio game.

Fukkin liberals man - it's a mental disorder, I tell ya.
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post 1519163891 09-12-2017, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted By MNGA1⏩
European gun laws>American Gun laws is the moral of the story here.
Funniest chit I've read all day.

You must be a cuck
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
Some people don't need to be awared of the most obvious.

Main point of the argument is society will go to hell. The degenerates will band together and the cops will not come to save you. Therefore hiding in your house with a gun is futile.

Now pls go.
There are a few things I disagree with in your assumptions.

You seem to think preppers are just individuals hoarding food and ammo in their house/bunker with only their immediate family. But there are also the people that plan with others to create small societies of like minded individuals.

These people also plan for gangs - it will take a long time before the gangs venture out from urban areas and by the time they do they will have turned on one another several times dwindling their numbers and they won't be organized. This is why most bug out locations are in far rural areas - they gangs will have a better chance of accidentally stumbling upon them than intentionally seeking them out.

I also think you severely underestimate their weapons caches when assuming that the gangs will be better armed.
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Wonder what would happen if a miscer was there and as he was about to get robbed by a gang he said: "I eat ass"...
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Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
So in the aftermath of complete economic collapse it's better that we gave up all our guns before the collapse? Are fukkin trying to be this stupid or do you have a disease?Please explain how all the scum of the earth looking to exploit the lawless status of a collapsed society will suddenly not have guns because law abiding people voted them out before the collapse.
If the UK was nuked the worst we'd get is armies of knife-thugs since nobody can get hold of guns over here apart from a tiny percent of the criminal population.

We have our fantastic gun laws to thank for this.
fist yourself
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
If the UK was nuked the worst we'd get is armies of knife-thugs since nobody can get hold of guns over here apart from a tiny percent of the criminal population.

We have our fantastic gun laws to thank for this.
well that tiny percent of the criminal population will be your new overlords, hopefully they will have mercy, if not you better not fuk up their mail...
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Collapsed society = you're going to die. Might as well kill as many bandits as possible. I know human behaviour - played enough DayZ and warcraft.
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Originally Posted By DAVEZILLA⏩
well that tiny percent of the criminal population will be your new overlords, hopefully they will have mercy, if not you better not fuk up their mail...
Nah, most of them live in Manchester and London.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
If the UK was nuked the worst we'd get is armies of knife-thugs since nobody can get hold of guns over here apart from a tiny percent of the criminal population.

We have our fantastic gun laws to thank for this.
run with the ability to shoot when I'm caught

vs.

run and hope your cardio is up for knife fight too


I'll keep my guns


Real easy test for all you saying "guns are bad mmmkay"

>The world has ended, you're on your own
>You've ended up in a warehouse
>There is a gun on a table with a few bullets still in it
>Do you take it or leave it










This isn't even debatable: if you didn't take it, you are the worst tactician/survivalist ever, srs. You forfeit a weapon that may give you an advantage in a fight or provide the means to hunt. It's not about guaranteeing victory in a fight and that's what you all seem to be missing. It's about giving yourself a tool that might give you an advantage. You intentionally forfeit a tool. That's stupidity.
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Here's a (partial) family photo. LOL if you think ghetto looters are going to be pillaging the American middle class.




Not sure if serious. Society has collapsed to such a degree that people are killing other people for food and you think that the normal "self-defense" shooting rules are going to apply? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure, New York, DC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran are all going to look like Mad Max, but you're drunk if that's how you think the burbs and rural areas would be.
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A disarmed populace is just easy pickings for a group of armed thugs. St Martin is normally a place with a very low rate of violent crime, but once civilization recedes due to a storm, thuggery will rein until STRONG MEN bring order.

Note: They have to be strong, and they have to bemen.

Patriarchy is not an oppressive structure, it is the only one that protects women and children.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
If the UK was nuked the worst we'd get is armies of knife-thugs since nobody can get hold of guns over here apart from a tiny percent of the criminal population.

We have our fantastic gun laws to thank for this.
A small group of 600 is holding St Martin hostage due to their thuggery.

A group of 6 will be sufficient for the modern United Kingdom.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Here's a (partial) family photo. LOL if you think ghetto looters are going to be pillaging the American middle class.




Not sure if serious. Society has collapsed to such a degree that people are killing other people for food and you think that the normal "self-defense" shooting rules are going to apply? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure, New York, DC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran are all going to look like Mad Max, but you're drunk if that's how you think the burbs and rural areas would be.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ikeman83 again.

BINGO.

And... seriously 'mirin the collection.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Here's a (partial) family photo. LOL if you think ghetto looters are going to be pillaging the American middle class.




Not sure if serious. Society has collapsed to such a degree that people are killing other people for food and you think that the normal "self-defense" shooting rules are going to apply? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure, New York, DC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran are all going to look like Mad Max, but you're drunk if that's how you think the burbs and rural areas would be.
There are plenty of us who are armed in the cities as well. I deliberately also bought a house with an accessible attic which has a very clear view of anyone trying to jump the gate.

The difference is just that you guys can be open with your stuff, whereas we have to be a little more discreet about it in order to avoid scaring the latte-sipping, yoga-pant-wearing neighbors.

Looking at your collection, I have a strong desire to acquire some more weaponry though. Mirin'.
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Originally Posted By ZenBowman⏩
There are plenty of us who are armed in the cities as well. I deliberately also bought a house with an accessible attic which has a very clear view of anyone trying to jump the gate.

The difference is just that you guys can be open with your stuff, whereas we have to be a little more discreet about it in order to avoid scaring the latte-sipping, yoga-pant-wearing neighbors.

Looking at your collection, I have a strong desire to acquire some more weaponry though. Mirin'.
There's never been a better time to buy guns. Ammo, mags, rifles, and pistols are all very inexpensive.
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our boy hemingway couldve been there in minutes, stacking bodies and hunting these delinquents.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Here's a (partial) family photo. LOL if you think ghetto looters are going to be pillaging the American middle class.




Not sure if serious. Society has collapsed to such a degree that people are killing other people for food and you think that the normal "self-defense" shooting rules are going to apply? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure, New York, DC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran are all going to look like Mad Max, but you're drunk if that's how you think the burbs and rural areas would be.
lmao.

Nice collection. You could take over Manchester city centre with just half of that stuff.
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Those who are already organized or in a sort of gang would make it longer than ordinary people who are on their own or with their families. Ex-military personnel could link up fine and imitate the chain of command found in the armed forces. They are trained for it and have combat experience. Policemen would also count in this group. Biker gangs and criminal organizations would also be efficient but not as trained as ex-military. Normal citizens would have a hard time even if they are armed because they can easily be outmanuevered or outgunned by a group of trained/experienced people. Having a family with you is also a liability because you'd need more supplies and you'd have to slow down for them. While moving, it is also easier to spot a few people going in the same direction than one person due to exposure time between cover.

The best course of action would be to prepare with supplies and lock down for a while. Let the city/suburbs clear out with people running away. There will be less people to look out for and less looters in the streets. You will also have time to gather information to help you make a decision on where to go and what places are safe/unsafe.
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Speaking of buying guns, the wife's builder kit came in that we ordered in July. Delay was for the cerakote




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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
There's never been a better time to buy guns. Ammo, mags, rifles, and pistols are all very inexpensive.
There are definitely better times to buy guns
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Originally Posted By Metz00⏩
Those who are already organized or in a sort of gang would make it longer than ordinary people who are on their own or with their families. Ex-military personnel could link up fine and imitate the chain of command found in the armed forces. They are trained for it and have combat experience. Policemen would also count in this group. Biker gangs and criminal organizations would also be efficient but not as trained as ex-military. Normal citizens would have a hard time even if they are armed because they can easily be outmanuevered or outgunned by a group of trained/experienced people. Having a family with you is also a liability because you'd need more supplies and you'd have to slow down for them. While moving, it is also easier to spot a few people going in the same direction than one person due to exposure time between cover.

The best course of action would be to prepare with supplies and lock down for a while. Let the city/suburbs clear out with people running away. There will be less people to look out for and less looters in the streets. You will also have time to gather information to help you make a decision on where to go and what places are safe/unsafe.
I think you really underestimate the nature of military and LO professionals and even bikers for that matter and their willingness to protect others.

Even though it thins supplies, there is safety in numbers. Hell it's beneficial to have low value members in society from a sacrificial standpoint.
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Originally Posted By Metz00⏩
Those who are already organized or in a sort of gang would make it longer than ordinary people who are on their own or with their families. Ex-military personnel could link up fine and imitate the chain of command found in the armed forces. They are trained for it and have combat experience. Policemen would also count in this group. Biker gangs and criminal organizations would also be efficient but not as trained as ex-military. Normal citizens would have a hard time even if they are armed because they can easily be outmanuevered or outgunned by a group of trained/experienced people. Having a family with you is also a liability because you'd need more supplies and you'd have to slow down for them. While moving, it is also easier to spot a few people going in the same direction than one person due to exposure time between cover.

The best course of action would be to prepare with supplies and lock down for a while. Let the city/suburbs clear out with people running away. There will be less people to look out for and less looters in the streets. You will also have time to gather information to help you make a decision on where to go and what places are safe/unsafe.
Disagree about the gangs making it longer. They wouldn't have suburbanites coming in to monetize illegal behavior, and would have to prey on the people in their own neighborhoods.

As far as a family, that depends on the age of the family members and the structure of the family. A married couple in their 40s with teenagers is going to have a tremendous advantage in terms of carrying supplies compared to a young couple with a small child.
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Originally Posted By Jaroctor⏩
There are definitely better times to buy guns
I'm guessing that you haven't been following the American arms trade over the last 5 years.
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Read first and second page.... wtf kind of logic is:

You're better off without a gun vs. looters

Absolutely wrong. Humans are predatory animals and are proven to go after what they perceive to be the easiest targets. A dude strapped to the hilt is not an easier target than rot-n-crotch feminist anti-gun SJWs. Simply walking down the street with your shoulders back and head up makes you far less likely to be assaulted than someone with slumped shoulders moping around.

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• One bar manager has described how there is 'no rules, no law and no protection' in Maho Beach, St Martin

Isn't this the miscs dreams? You guys love guns. You can finally play the role of Macho man savage.

Very sad though... and expected.
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Originally Posted By FryDude⏩
• One bar manager has described how there is 'no rules, no law and no protection' in Maho Beach, St Martin

Isn't this the miscs dreams? You guys love guns. You can finally play the role of Macho man savage.

Very sad though... and expected.
Bold words from a guy that lives in a country that literally hides, quivering, behind the US's back.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Here's a (partial) family photo. LOL if you think ghetto looters are going to be pillaging the American middle class.




Not sure if serious. Society has collapsed to such a degree that people are killing other people for food and you think that the normal "self-defense" shooting rules are going to apply? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure, New York, DC, Chicago, LA, and San Fran are all going to look like Mad Max, but you're drunk if that's how you think the burbs and rural areas would be.
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  2. Getting my Durantula on
  1. FryDude
  2. Getting my Durantula on
  3. Join Date: Jun 2006
  4. Location: Canada
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Originally Posted By L0rdHumongous⏩
Bold words from a guy that lives in a country that literally hides, quivering, behind the US's back.
Very bold. Get your twitter finger president to sign an executive order banning me from the misc.
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