My great grand parents lived to ripe old ages smoking cigarettes and drinking gin everyday.

Why would I waste my time attempting to inform a moron who doesn't know that anecdote means exactly jack **** when providing a logical argument?

The evidence is not undeniable, you choose to deny the evidence that goes against your narrative.

There is plenty of evidence that shows the benefits of milk for human consumption. As for the environment, everything is going to be bad for the environment - including widespread veganism, you have to look at the pros vs the cons. I don't care if its an argument or not - if I had to hit a cow in the head with a hammer myself everytime I wanted a glass of milk, I would do so.

Most of the plants you eat have phytic acid in them that act as antinutrients and no amount of fukking washing will completely rid them of it
Wheat is the worst thing in the world for us yet heavily consumed on vegan diet
High sugary diet from high GI foods
Crazy amount of vitamin deficiencies - need to take multi which isn't even bioavailable
Oils high in Omega 6 fatty acid consumed as a staple because of the calories

Egyptians had heart health problems and were mostly vegan.



Lots of ethnic groups that produce lactase into their adulthood












humans existed on a meat diet for hundreds of thousands of years





















































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tfw no new blood cause of low b12 fist yourself

And on the contrary, there's plenty of evidence that shows dairy is indeed terrible for human consumption.

Your second sentence is a textbook appeal to futility fallacy. Invalid argument.

You've provided zero logical arguments in your post and I'm convinced that apathy is your only go-to point. You'd get laughed at in any semi-formal debate for using these points.

fairlife

I never denied that there are studies that show milk is unhealthy for humans. But there are also studies that say it is.

As for the rest of your stuff - I negotiate all day at work, I don't care to bring the formality of it to an online forum.

Annnnnd still doesn't provide a single peer reviewed study to back up his YouTube/Buzzfeed argument.

The interesting thing to me... Usually the miscers that would kill another human for their own dog act like they don't give a **** about cows.

Why care about one animal so much and then literally turn around and say well **** this other one?

Srs question.

But where does this guy think meat and other animal products come from? I agree with a previous poster who said that guys like this are a result of the luxurious lifestyle of the modern world and have never seen or thought about how the products they eat are derived.

Doesnt really matter OP...not many miscers care about the well being of other living things. They rather say "I cant live without meat" or "no way Im going without dairy" because they want reps or are just ignorant in general. You tell a man between 20-50, they will generally laugh at you if you were to tell them that cows have an understanding of their captivity. Dont want to compromise their manhood and actually have an open mind.

We were raised in america where we stuff our faces with what we want. fuk, there are millions of retards that still go off the food pyramid. We are products of our environment and learn from our parents, they didnt know any better and now most of us dont either, unless we broaden our perspective.

I havent had dairy in over 6 years and alternative "milks" from nuts or other plants tastes really good and is better for you in general. Beef, I might eat it 1 time a month if Im out, its very rare.

We wont see an end to things like this in our life times.

Strong autistic spacing for an autistic poster.

1st point: It sounds like you're trying to invalidate veganism as a healthy diet due to phytic acid in plant foods. Invalid argument. American Dietetics Association shows veganism to be a healthy diet for all stages life including infants and athletes.

"Wheat is the worst thing in the world for us yet heavily consumed on vegan diet" - nobody says you need to eat wheat on a vegan diet. Incredibly stupid of you to even bring this up.

"High sugary diet from high GI foods
Crazy amount of vitamin deficiencies - need to take multi which isn't even bioavailable
Oils high in Omega 6 fatty acid consumed as a staple because of the calories"

Massive load of stupidity and ignorance here. "High sugary diet from high GI foods" there happens to be a massive abundance of low GI foods on a vegan diet. And high GI foods aren't inherently bad anyway. They're bad for T2 diabetics which a high carb low fat vegan diet has actually been clinically proven to reverse.
Crrazy amount of vitamin deficiencies??? You get every single vitamin and nutrient required short of B12 on a vegan diet. Countless science proves this.
And you seriously ****ing think you need oils as a main source of calories as a vegan? You've officially gone full retard. If you honestly believe this you probably have a single digit IQ.

"inuits eat fish and seal and chit" - have you done any extensive research on the average lifespans of inuit populations? If you did, you wouldn't be using it as an argument seeing as it works completely against your stance.

"tfw no new blood cause of low b12 fist yourself" more autistic sentence structure. I'm assuming you're poking at vegans b12 levels? News flash dummy, meat eaters go B12 deficient as well. Modern B12 deficiency is largely attributed to our sanitation of food and water. B12 is a vitamin produced from bacteria microbes which modern food/water sanitation removes. Obviously we didn't have this problem back in the day.

1st point - Kind of like what you do with omnivorous diet. Fuk out of here - Never met a vegan who experienced cognitive dissonance and likely never will.
2st point - Wheat, nuts, legumes, and other grains, are heavily consumed on a vegan diet. Regardless of what it says/doesn't say, it still happens on a regular basis. Strong Islam defense.
3st point - I've never seen a vegan not consume a chit ton of oil. In virtually every single vegan recipe, and even on the fukking vegan food pryamid there is oil, and lots of it.
4st point - High GI foods are definitely bad. High GI leads to insulin resistance leads to looking like chit and functioning like chit. And vegans are deficient in way too many vitamins that I find it hysterical you think they aren't.

B12, Vitamin K2 (only vegan source is natto which nobody eats + is fukking soybean so enjoy the estrogen), Vitamin D2 (your D3 is absolutely fukking chit at converting to d2 so don't give me none of that), Omega 3/DHA (your ALA is GARBAGE at converting to EPA/DHA), Iodine, Zinc. All from a vegan website.

4st point - 68 years in 1991. That's not bad at all. Especially for a population that lives on fukking ice shields and are exposed to polar bears, starvation, freezing, and other nasty chit. Again, Egyptians were mostly vegan and died young from heart problems. Had no modern technology to fukk with plant genetics, soil, or anything else vegans like to blame for why their diet is chit tier.

5st point - Coincidentally the point I'll tell you to 5st yourself on. People who eat meat are a lot less deficient in B12 than vegans. And this shows up in how crazy vegans are on average vs how typically sane omnivores are on average. Rickets returned with the vegan diet. Humans are omnivores. Fist yourself

Your diet is nothing short of a moral decision. Accept that, and then fist yourself once more because you don't have moral high ground for being too much of a pussy to handle death.

Cow milk is biologically made for baby cows, not for humans to consume. We're in a time where we don't need to eat and butcher cows to survive. There's literally no point in killing cows other than for the consumers own taste buds. Pretty chitty thing when you think about it.

Imagine if our species got captured by aliens or some chit and they decided to farm and kill us since they'd be higher in the food chain. Say this Aliens species doesn't need to eat us in order to survive, that they have no reason to eat and kill us other than their own satisfaction. Pretty chitty thing to do

Currently chewing on a T-Bone as I type this

Congratulations for coming back and putting your single digit IQ on full display!

"1st point - Kind of like what you do with omnivorous diet. Fuk out of here - Never met a vegan who experienced cognitive dissonance and likely never will." -
Wow this does absolutely nothing to address my point, and then you go off on a mini autistic rant amount vegans and cognitive dissonance which is totally irrelevant.

2st point - "Wheat, nuts, legumes, and other grains, are heavily consumed on a vegan diet. Regardless of what it says/doesn't say, it still happens on a regular basis. Strong Islam defense."

Cool go ahead and deny that these are completely healthy plant foods. And even putting that aside, saying that "it still happens on a regular basis" does nothing to address my original point, fantastic job moron, keep dodging my points.

3rd point. "3st point - I've never seen a vegan not consume a chit ton of oil. In virtually every single vegan recipe, and even on the fukking vegan food pryamid there is oil, and lots of it."

"ZOMG I haven't seen it therefore it doesn't exist!" LMFAO are you even ****ing serious now? there's 1000's of vegan food pyramids out there and you obtain all necessary vitamins and nutrients with a simple whole foods vegan diet.

4st point - "High GI foods are definitely bad. High GI leads to insulin resistance leads to looking like chit and functioning like chit. And vegans are deficient in way too many vitamins that I find it hysterical you think they aren't."

So bananas, pineapples, watermelons, parsnips, and potatoes are bad for you? News flash dumbass, high fatty animal products have a FAR BIGGER correlation to insulin resistance via intramyocellular lipids. And does your dumbass think your opinion is more valid than the American Dietetics Association saying vegan diets "are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864You don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about, stop now before you make yourself look even more retarded.

If humans are omnivores, why do we produce atherosclerotic plaque from animal products?

"4st point - 68 years in 1991." - Wait did you just google "Inuit life spans" and copy and paste what you saw from the first result? No wonder you're such a dip****, if that's all the research you did that's ****ing hilarious. I'll go ahead and do it for you.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-003-...149059-eng.htm

"Previously, life expectancies had been calculated from nominal list data (no longer available) for Inuit in the former Northwest Territories (including what is now Nunavut) and in Nunavik (northern Quebec) for the years 1941 to 1950 through 1978-1982.2, 3 Life expectancy at birth for Inuit of the former Northwest Territories rose from 29 years in 1941 to 1950 (38 years less than for Canada overall), to 37 years in 1951 to 1960 (33 years less), to 51 years in 1963 to 1966 (21 years less), and to 66 years in 1978 to 1982 (19 years less).4 For Inuit in Nunavik, life expectancy in 1984 to 1988 was 14 years less than for the total population of Quebec."

"Life expectancy figures are regularly published for Quebec's Nunavik health region, and since 2000, for the territory of Nunavut, covering the entire population of those areas, including non-Inuit. Results for 2000 to 20026 showed that life expectancy at birth was about 67 years in Nunavik and about 69 years in Nunavut, or approximately 13 and 11 years less than for Canada as a whole at the time. However, the estimates are based on only three years of deaths; earlier results for what is now Nunavut are not available; and no figures have been published for the Inuit-inhabited areas of the Northwest Territories and Labrador."

Does this sound like it favors your argument??? People who live 11-13 years less than your average Canadian?

You cite exactly zero sources for any of your dip**** arguments. Bye.

I mean wouldn't them living 11-13years less than an average person kind of make sense though?

They live in bum**** nowhere and have limited access to the typical education, amenities and healthcare other citizens are accustomed to receiving that increase longevity.


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Your link:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976Can you provide a source that uses >18 people for their research?

Can any1 say why the animals are treated this way? Is it some type of sick mentality?

Cost/efficiency. People want their fifty cent dozen of eggs, but nobody wants to know how they are made.

I have zero problem with how they are made.
I value human well being over amimal life

Bunch of *******s in this thread....

What I find fascinating is that domestically farm animals don't even have the will to fight. Notice how the mother just stares as the baby is taken away? That is what domestication does to an animal and I believe it can even be done to humans, ie N Korea.

BRB gonna eat a veal steak now..

Besides OP who else would let a cow **** their girl?

James Michael Tait, but only if he gets to film it

do you realize ALL farms get subsidized to keep our food costs low? ive known potato, corn and beet farmers who also got huge subsidies

Oh I was meant to take you seriously? The guy who starts off angry, calls people autistic, then acts like an autist missing points and taking everything at face value?

Yes, if you eat an excess of any of those fruits you are consuming way too much sugar and are doing more damage to your liver than not. The fact is you don't seem to grasp this concept that, what I am saying, is that there isn't a diet on the planet that doesn't have pros and cons and that every food item (when consumed in excess) has damaging effects on a person's health.

You want to push your cult instead and are arguing like a ******* about how your bullchit diet that is completely dependent on supplementation is superior and is optimal for mostly everyone. It simply isn't. Just lol at you glossing over the vitamin deficiencies and instead resorting to insult and attack. That's all you have; You're like a leftist who promotes communism forgetting your entire lifestyle is supported off the backs of capitalists.

TL;DR - You'd die in the wild and are nothing but an over-zealous ******* with a superiority complex and a severe lack of perspective. Fist yourself.

Op, If I put you in a sealed room with a calf, a knife, a gas hob, some vegetable oil, and a frying pan and you had not eaten in two weeks you would beat that calf to death with the frying pan or stab it to death.

I drink Goat Milk personally.

rarely drink milk nowadays, and when i do it's almond, always hated cheese. steak is hngggg though. Feel for the cows but realistically nothing is stopping this.

If you can't understand how you can obtain every vitamin and nutrient on a vegan diet you're a moron. Did you miss the study I linked from the ADA? Do you think you know more than them?

Zero logic and facts in any of this nonsense rebuttal. Veganism is superior, period.