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Who really cares about this mathematics stuff anyway? I have news for you: all numbers are made up.

There is really no 1 or 2 or 3. Someone at some point decided to call something 2 and something 3 and that 2 + 3 = 5. They could have just as easy defined it as 2 + 3 = 4 in which case 2 + 2 = 5 and so on.

Bottom line is this chit is all made up so why should I or anyone else care about studying it?
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Three things stand out:

ODEs, cause **** that.

Linear algebra. I am mentally incapable of grasping base transforms and changes of base.

(and doing that and Diff Eq at the same time damn near killed me).

Probability. The math itself was easy, but we had a prof from MIT and she taught it the MIT way. Ho lee ****.

This is a homework solution from MIT's course page, pretty similar to what our assignments looked like.

Thats real similar to most prob and stats courses for engineers. IT was pretty fukking hard. I took it after dif eq/calc 3/linear algebra and it still sucked.

Calc II was worse IMO.
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Who really cares about this mathematics stuff anyway? I have news for you: all numbers are made up.

There is really no 1 or 2 or 3. Someone at some point decided to call something 2 and something 3 and that 2 + 3 = 5. They could have just as easy defined it as 2 + 3 = 4 in which case 2 + 2 = 5 and so on.

Bottom line is this chit is all made up so why should I or anyone else care about studying it?
2 titties by any other names are still two titties doe
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Who really cares about this mathematics stuff anyway? I have news for you: all numbers are made up.

There is really no 1 or 2 or 3. Someone at some point decided to call something 2 and something 3 and that 2 + 3 = 5. They could have just as easy defined it as 2 + 3 = 4 in which case 2 + 2 = 5 and so on.

Bottom line is this chit is all made up so why should I or anyone else care about studying it?
Because it is useful

We invent the definitions, but the relationships are discovered, and they happen to be very useful for this other field of human knowledge known as physics, where we attempt to model and predict the behavior of the universe so that we can better dominate it rather than being beta twinks getting bottomed out by GAAAAAAAWDDDDDD
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
2 titties by any other names are still two titties doe
But if the guy who assigned numbers called it 3 we would all be talking about 3 titties not 2. Don't you think it's kind of archaic to teach our kids these symbols that were made up by a bunch of ancient dumbasses hundreds of years ago?
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Because it is useful

We invent the definitions, but the relationships are discovered, and they happen to be very useful for this other field of human knowledge known as physics, where we attempt to model and predict the behavior of the universe so that we can better dominate it rather than being beta twinks getting bottomed out by GAAAAAAAWDDDDDD
That's exactly what I'm saying. If we didn't define these twinks as have a singular butthole, we could have been dominating double or even triple buttholed twinks a lot more efficiently.
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post 1524476801 10-31-2017, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By 11lemon11⏩
Why is Maths difficult exactly? There are rules to follow. All you need do is follow them. That's what I heard from someone with a master's degree in mathematics from Oxford. .
This is complete bullchit. Yeah, you need to follow the rules of inference. However, math has this issue which involves combinatorially explosive numbers of possible ways to approach a logical proof. So, yes, there are only a few rules to follow, but the number of possibilities becomes absurdly large. You require genuine creativity and intelligence to cleverly narrow down the possible approaches to proving some statement. Many mathematicians struggle to prove conjectures whose ramifications even are poorly understood. These people are literally expanding the boundaries of human knowledge of math. There is no simple algorithm they can follow to make progress in their research. It requires a great deal of intelligence and creativity to make progress there.
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not really math but doing P!=NP proofs in Intractability and Analytics of Algorithms


That one class was more difficult than the rest of my education combined


oddly enough , Calc2 was harder than calc1, 3, and linear algebra for me. Most people in the program say calc2 is the easiest of the 4
Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
But if the guy who assigned numbers called it 3 we would all be talking about 3 titties not 2. Don't you think it's kind of archaic to teach our kids these symbols that were made up by a bunch of ancient dumbasses hundreds of years ago?



That's exactly what I'm saying. If we didn't define these twinks as have a singular butthole, we could have been dominating double or even triple buttholed twinks a lot more efficiently.
regardless of what the name is, numbers are used to quantify things. The ability to quantify things gave humans...everything we have
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Three things stand out:

ODEs, cause **** that.

Linear algebra. I am mentally incapable of grasping base transforms and changes of base.

(and doing that and Diff Eq at the same time damn near killed me).

Probability. The math itself was easy, but we had a prof from MIT and she taught it the MIT way. Ho lee ****.

This is a homework solution from MIT's course page, pretty similar to what our assignments looked like.

this is basic probability bro.


fkn LOL.


actuarial science student here. Not too sure what the most difficult thing is atm since we don't do just maths more statistics.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
This is complete bullchit. Yeah, you need to follow the rules of inference. However, math has this issue which involves combinatorially explosive numbers of possible ways to approach a logical proof. So, yes, there are only a few rules to follow, but the number of possibilities becomes absurdly large. You require genuine creativity and intelligence to cleverly narrow down the possible approaches to proving some statement. Many mathematicians struggle to prove conjectures whose ramifications even are poorly understood. These people are literally expanding the boundaries of human knowledge of math. There is no simple algorithm they can follow to make progress in their research. It requires a great deal of intelligence and creativity to make progress there.
Translation: we just all make up different ways to claim we solved a problem, but the problem was made up by another mathematician who copied the numbers used in that problem from some fukin egyptian guy who made up the numbers.

A house of cards, built one lie at a time, and you choose to prepetuate the cycle? Where does it end? Come on bro I expected more.
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3rd yr civil eng checking in

I don't necessarily find any of the math hard, you slowly build up over the years and it's just a thing you do. With that being said, once math got into 3 dimensions it got a lil tough to wrap the head around what was going on. Although, a lot of the math I'm doing right now isn't hard per se .. you're given like 10 pages of formula sheets and it's just picking out the formula you need and then next question, lol.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Sometimes my mind is blown at how little most of the world understands any of the math developed in the last 250 years...I guess it is like when Chad sees people like me struggling to get laid, and it just doesn't make sense to him how such a simple, natural thing for him is so hard for everyone else.
Yeah once you study it properly it just becomes almost a language most of the world cannot even begin to comprehend.
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Translation: we just all make up different ways to claim we solved a problem, but the problem was made up by another mathematician who copied the numbers used in that problem from some fukin egyptian guy who made up the numbers.

A house of cards, built one lie at a time, and you choose to prepetuate the cycle? Where does it end? Come on bro I expected more.
what is your solution then?
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Translation: we just all make up different ways to claim we solved a problem, but the problem was made up by another mathematician who copied the numbers used in that problem from some fukin egyptian guy who made up the numbers.

A house of cards, built one lie at a time, and you choose to prepetuate the cycle? Where does it end? Come on bro I expected more.
u cant be srs bro lol

math has been building exponentially...the ancient egyptians had no notion of even the most basic ideas required to attack research problems in algebraic geometry for example...

there is nobody to copy from...you know how all cucks copy their hw from some dude? At some point some brah had to be smart enough to actually do it. Physicists apply their models, but really it was some smart dude who worked out all the details behind the scenes. Yeah those guys are the mathematicians. They really are the smartest people on the planet, and the buck stops with them.
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I didn't have to take beyond Calc 2, but I disliked integrals. Though I didn't do my homework or practice much during that class so maybe it would have been easier if I worked at it. Differentials I thought were pretty easy.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
u cant be srs bro lol

math has been building exponentially...the ancient egyptians had no notion of even the most basic ideas required to attack research problems in algebraic geometry for example...

there is nobody to copy from...you know how all cucks copy their hw from some dude? Physicists apply their models, but really it was some smart dude who worked out all the details behind the scenes? Yeah those guys are the mathematicians. They really are the smartest people on the planet, and the buck stops with them.
My mother is one such person..spent the last 20-30 years of her life developing quasi least squares regression at Upenn
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Originally Posted By ecs33⏩
I didn't have to take beyond Calc 2, but I disliked integrals. Though I didn't do my homework or practice much during that class so maybe it would have been easier if I worked at it. Differentials I thought were pretty easy.
Integrals are just backwards differentials, you're just finding the area under the curve... more intuitive, not less, for most of my students.
Originally Posted By ecs33⏩
My mother is one such person..spent the last 20-30 years of her life developing quasi least squares regression at Upenn
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Originally Posted By StrawHat94⏩
Probably Laplace transform didn't find it difficult per say, just weird
Everyone in eng thinks the same. Some guy decides to invent something where you can just turn something chit into something simple, play away then untransform it and win.
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
what is your solution then?
We can task the global community to come together (maybe at the UN?) to come up with a modern mathematical system suited for the 21st century. Enough of living in the past. For all you know we don't even need as many numbers and equations as people in the 19th century did since computers have advanced enough to do most of the work for us.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
u cant be srs bro lol

math has been building exponentially...the ancient egyptians had no notion of even the most basic ideas required to attack research problems in algebraic geometry for example...

there is nobody to copy from...you know how all cucks copy their hw from some dude? At some point some brah had to be smart enough to actually do it. Physicists apply their models, but really it was some smart dude who worked out all the details behind the scenes. Yeah those guys are the mathematicians. They really are the smartest people on the planet, and the buck stops with them.
Pretty sure egyptians knew about algebra and geometry or else how would they build those pyramids?

I'm not saying knowledge isn't accumulative or incremental, but what I'm saying is maybe if we stopped copying all these math (which was made up anyway) from those ancients maybe we would focus more on larger increments of advancement instead of this snail pace we're on at the moment.

Your bring up the example of physicist working on models which are mathematical by it's nature, but again those maths came from the same numbers which were made up by the last guy who copied them, so really it's not being very honest with the physicists is it? A lot of assumptions being made and one weak link in the chain could bring it all down.
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
Partial differential equations
this.....god damn you fourier.
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Who really cares about this mathematics stuff anyway? I have news for you: all numbers are made up.

There is really no 1 or 2 or 3. Someone at some point decided to call something 2 and something 3 and that 2 + 3 = 5. They could have just as easy defined it as 2 + 3 = 4 in which case 2 + 2 = 5 and so on.

Bottom line is this chit is all made up so why should I or anyone else care about studying it?
uhhh.......yes we made up SYMBOLS to represent REAL ideas. the quantity 2 is very real. stay away from the dispensary my man.
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Originally Posted By stfudonny⏩
this.....god damn you fourier.
Spent ages learning all this stupid series chit. Then my fuking differential equations turn into this chit! Legit raged.
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Originally Posted By shesprints⏩
Integrals are just backwards differentials, you're just finding the area under the curve... more intuitive, not less, for most of my students.
Your students are lying to you srs
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Originally Posted By 11lemon11⏩
Why is Maths difficult exactly? There are rules to follow. All you need do is follow them. That's what I heard from someone with a master's degree in mathematics from Oxford. .
GTFO tradie! This thread isnt meant for you

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Originally Posted By stfudonny⏩
uhhh.......yes we made up SYMBOLS to represent REAL ideas. the quantity 2 is very real. stay away from the dispensary my man.
Wtf... trying to have a civil discussion here, what's with all the insults?

You seem to be stuck in the past man. Symbols are useful to a degree, but they're just that... symbols. We need to streamline mathematics for the future of mankind instead of getting stuck on talking about if 2 is really 2 or if it could be 3 or if 2 + 2 = 5 or whatever.
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
But if the guy who assigned numbers called it 3 we would all be talking about 3 titties not 2. Don't you think it's kind of archaic to teach our kids these symbols that were made up by a bunch of ancient dumbasses hundreds of years ago?
I think ur onto something

when i draw a 2, it can only fit one titty



but when i draw a 3 it can fit two



so 2 titties should be 3 titties
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Your students are lying to you srs
oh noes

Actually my students are awesome. One of them awared me on the names of the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth derivatives of acceleration: jerk, jounce, snap, crackle, pop. Very cute.
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Originally Posted By shesprints⏩
oh noes

Actually my students are awesome. One of them awared me on the names of the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth derivatives of acceleration: jerk, jounce, snap, crackle, pop. Very cute.
How is that not common knowledge?
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
I think ur onto something

when i draw a 2, it can only fit one titty



but when i draw a 3 it can fit two



so 2 titties should be 3 titties
Dassit. Plus it's pretty obvious that 1 tittie on #2 is fake anyway cause, well... I'll try to explain it using a visual aide:

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Math is brutal if you have a chitty teacher. I swear when i was going through school...

Good teacher = Ace any test without trying
Bad teacher = Da fuk is going on

It's one of those things that if the teacher doesn't show the steps in a well thought out order ... or if you fall asleep and miss an important step ... it can screw you for the rest of the class. I remember moving Junior year in high school and they completely skipped trigonometry on me and tossed me into calculus ... dear lord i was so lost.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
How is that not common knowledge?
I don't know, but I studied physics up through quantum mechanics and relativity and somehow never learned the terms.

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