I don't do too well on those websites. I go out from time to time and I do have a life, but outside of catching a very nice view while hiking or something big like a pro basketball game I don't take pics while out...even then I take pictures of the scenery as opposed to myself. As a result most of my pictures are selfies. I really can't bring myself to take pictures while I'm at the club/social activities just for the sake of impressing people...its something I need to get over, but its gonna take a while.

As for the girl from my classes the IOIs were definitely there and she even mentioned she remembered me from a class we had together a year ago so I know she was (and probably is) still interested. We studied together a couple of times but midway through the semester I just decided that I don't wanna go through with it atm. Not sure what my initial rating of her was and I don't mean to be a dick, but I can do better. If she were a sloot I'd try to smash but I'm getting strong vibes of sexual inexperience/looking for a bf so its not worth the trouble. She's one of the girls I halfheartedly asked out.Thanks for the concern brah. I'll admit I've been down on myself recently but that had more to do with job satisfaction and although I'm working on my second degree I'm starting to feel like I'm too old to be taking classes. Either way its not bad to the point where I'd seriously consider doing something like that. I'm actually trying to take a break from women but sex drive is one helluva drug.

My exes did the same thing...I always found it weird cause I figured they already knew what they were getting into, guess not lolIt depends on what's considered weird...my old job was fairly ratchet, so a lot of girls thought it was weird that I spoke proper english lol as far as black women are concerned that's the main "personality" flaw I have (I mostly go after black girls). White girls who are into black guys seem to love me though, I just don't know where to find them....I'm about to start looking pretty hard though.

You mentioned IOI and approach but my judgement seems pretty off. It's really hard for me to determine whether a girl is being polite/social or whether she's dtf. Yesterday I was at wal-mart getting ice cream and there was a 6/10 standing right in front of the section I needed to get to. She was taking a while so I made a comment about it being a hard choice or whatever...she laughed a little and said their selection sucked. She was in workout gear so I made a joke about finding something worth cheating on and she lol'd kinda hard for what was a lame joke IMO. For a split second I thought about going from polite to flatout hitting on her but she wasn't playing with her hair or anything,looked like she had a bf so I assumed she wasn't interested, wished her good luck and went about my way. As I was finishing self-checkout she came up to the register next to me although there were other registers available. I just can't seem to get it right when it comes to determining politeness vs IOIs. I was having a really good day too...my friends thought I was crazy for negotiating payon an internshipbut they ended up accepting my counteroffer, played basketball with some old friends and dropped buckets, I was pretty much high on life the whole day.

I agree with the part about career coming first so I'm not too pressed about chasing women, but like I said sex is one helluva drug. Getting a number would've been the icing on the cake.
I've always thought that one of the funniest, or ironic, things about being depressed in our society is that on top of being depressed, you also have to deal with guilt due to the fact that 75% of the world is worse off than us. I can't help you though brah, I'm in the same boat...I always feel like as men we've been blessed with the ability to essentially ignore our emotions ie harden the fuk up, but at the same time it seems like they'll just get worse they aren't dealt with. I agree with joshewah, I need to look into stoicism as well....going from living with two bros to living by myself has affected me in ways it probably shouldn't.

1. Kudos on the second degree
2. Yeah I think I just need to get out the house more, but I refuse to go hang out at bars or etc. Maybe I'll find some social activity outside of that, that isnt filled with older white people that will be fun.
3. I think the biggest reason behind this "meh" feeling is that if and when my girlfriend leaves me (she is planning on getting a job across the country) I will be thrown back into the foreveralone abyss. I quite literally have zero options, and I'm honestly done going out in public and hitting on dozens of dozens of women just to get single word texts or settling for obese women / old women. In all of these years I haven't mad any progress or changed how women perceive me at all. My success rate is still trash, I get no contacted all the time, female friends STILL never have single friends, and I get abysmal attention IRL or Online . Even though my confidence, income, and etc have changed from when I was a dorky ass 14 year old walking around school with the latest manga and semi depressed? Women still treat me essentially the same even though I've changed everything. I honestly see myself becoming a programming/gym-cel. The only pro of this is having dispoable income to buy things I want and travel whenever.

I kinda have this problem myself as when I think a woman is interested, she hits me with a "Oh I have a bf" or "I have a fiance/husband" bs. Just recently I asked out a woman at Bdubs that I thought was interested as she would always look at me when she spoke to me and my friend and barely at him and she seemed to remember and care about things I told her I didn't think she would remember or care about and so after a while of going there and gauging her interest, I told her I found her attractive and I would like to get to know her better and we should go out for drinks sometime. She was like she's not old enough to drink and then when I said what about coffee instead, she said she's seeing someone right now and that the person she's seeing wouldn't like that. So I said ok np and left it at that. Maybe I came on strong or maybe she wasn't interested in the first place, idk but it's whatever now as sometimes it is hard to figure out if a woman is just being friendly/nice or if she really is interested. There are times I can tell a woman is really into me when the signs are really obvious but I haven't gotten to the point where I can fully tell all the time.

Lol she didn't like you bruh. The reasonwewe have these issues telling is because all of the people that constantly throw out advice dont have issues . For men that seem to have issues attracting women or telling when they like? That directly indicates your sexual/social just isnt jumping with women. There is nothing else there. The only thing you can really do is to increase them. However that is just my take on the situation. As an essentially foreveralone type dude dont take my advice. Listen to Pondus, Bunz, and the other Chads.

Well I wouldn't say I don't have as much trouble as you attracting women judging by your constant complaining about how old and fat women are always after you. You don't seem to understand that I don't have as many fat and old women coming after me as you. At various times in my 26 years, I've actually had women that I would consider pretty good looking attracted to me along with average chicks and fat/ugly women but that's pretty common with most guys. Sometimes I capitalized on it, other times I didn't due to insecurity and overthinking. But I've never had only ugly and fat women go after me. So even though I'm not the best looking man, I would say I'm at least decent in terms of sexual/social. Hell I recently had the cousin of one of my friends say I was a good looking man when she saw my pic and she wasn't ugly at all. You can call it cope all you want, idc. I'm just calling it for how it is. Like I said, sometimes I think a woman is interested in me but turns out she has a bf/husband and other times I think a woman is just friendly. And yeah most of the time I do take advice from the naturals and I will continue to do that. I'm also not really gonna give up even though it is frustrating and annoying at times.

Well congrats man. I hope your career and social roles keep progressing.

re: stoicism

No. Just be cool to be around and smile. It's that easy. Learn how to do that and you're set.

Been doing that for years boyo. Its done nothing for me in the realm of women generally speaking

Be careful on overthinking.

Good luck man.

Thanks man. Its mostly a physical appearance issue. Theres no reason i should have used tinder for over 3 years and gotten only 1 date with a girl that wasnt obese. Or just had all the real life experiences ive had so far.

Mirin hard brah, it takes some serious balls to do that.

You should read the book i'm reading at the moment - Stumbling on happiness.

It's an enlightening read, and it's basically about how as human beings we're surprisingly fukin' retarded when it comes to knowing/predicting what will make us happy. The author goes to great lengths to show you all the ways you screw up.

So far, the biggest mindfuk for me is how going through hard chit or suffering can actually make you happier, whilst minor inconveniences and annoyances irritate your ass to no end.

But when people told you to delete that **** and stop using it and making yourself more depressed, you ignored that advice. Maybe you like making yourself unhappy? You wouldn't be the first person like that.

So you can better your own life you fcking tard. Who cares about safe spaces? Just ignore that **** like the rest of us.

Yup.

You would end up doing it anyway as they'll talk you into it if they think you aren't retarded. Since you aren't retarded, the only logical evolution of this would be to get your long tab. Better to make the decision now and start training for it. Get on that SOCOM time cuzz. Once you go that direction, you'll realize it's the only place to be if you're doing the military thing.

I don't think you came on too strong or anything...as you probably know almost anything works if the girl is interested in you. It's always hard to tell but at this point I've learned that the pain of regret always feels worse than the pain of rejection which is why I always feel disappointed in situations where it was 50/50 and I didn't at least try. At least you tried brah, I don't think any man can ever fully tell all the time so IOI and approach seems to yield the best results.Thanks man, not gonna lie I was nervous as hell while waiting for their response. My dad always told me to never settle for less when it comes to salary, idk if that applies for internships but it sure as hell worked out this time.

That's part of the reason why I didn't ask that girl from wal-mart out. I legit thought "what business do I have asking out this random girl, am i really that desperate" Sometimes I'll see a very cute girl at the gas station or at the grocery store or w/e and whereas before I did it for practice/fueled by sex nowadays I just feel like I shouldn't stop what I'm doing to ask out girls who will make me chase them anyways. Not sure if it's cause I'm older but it just feels played out, the motivation isn't there like it used to be.....I'd much rather meet girls like all of my friends do, but those results have been abysmal to say the least so I'm screwed.

I've pretty much realized that outside of places like california going against the stereotype essentially condemns black men to being FA. I know plenty of brahs like us IRL who had the same problems with women.....I get some attention IRL but its mostly from unattractive women, or black women who I know will probably think I sound "too white". And now that I'm bigger I've realized that it's very hit or miss....girls either ignore the living fck out of me or try hard to get my attention and unfortunately the former is what happens 90% of the time. I see that future for myself too. I do think that eventually I'll get a gf/wife to settle down with but having a steady stream of women/sex? I've given up on that dream, I was never meant to be a player anyways.

Either way I'm over stressing about it...I mean I post here from time to time, but outside of that I don't really talk about girls IRL. It's frustrating, but I've just gotten used to it tbh. It's just mind-boggling how I can be a normal person with decent social skills yet still struggle more than people who are pretty much doing worse at life.

You know it had nothing to do with me liking being unhappy. I simply wanted to increase my chances of finding some girl that gave a damn about me. Hence Online + Real Life approaches.
Yeah. I've said it before but 2 guys from my old platoon made it through, and a guy I worked with made it through about 2 years back. They all said don't fall asleep, embrace the suck, and be able to run/ruck forever.Get them $ gains and flex bruh. I'm slowly seeing girls that curved me in the past wanting to get on. Being 30 years old, jacked, and sippin whiskey while scrolling through my investments will be the ultimate win. Then take off in the Tesla like a boss.


Actual photo of me at 40 years old.

This thread is cringe as ****.
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I love it lol

The good news: I just pulled another four-point this semester.

The bad: I went to the gym for the first time in 2 months and found I'm up to 160 pounds, which blows cause I'm 5'7". I've had to buy a bunch of new pants this month because all my old ones no longer fit.

The good: I put in a solid hour of guilt cardio right after weighing myself.

The bad: I spent a decent chunk of that time running on a treadmill right behind a redhead in a tight tank top. Made me question major life choices.

Overall - feels OK man.

And yes, I get the irony of posting this right after talking about how I'm a fatass, but this recipe is too good not to share. Neg me if this doesn't turn out phenomenal.

Oven baked baby back ribs
Spoiler!

LOL

Did she have a big ass?

Brah, you know it.

Sup brahs, hope everyone's new year went as well/better than mine did. Thought my NYE experience was worth sharing **Dear Diary incoming** Although I had a pretty decent night out I can't help but feel disappointed at how bad my luck with women seems to be.

One of my friends posted about a NYE party on snapchat, I almost didn't go but I convinced myself to not be a sadkunt for new years. Got to the party kinda late, I knew a lot of the people there so it was pretty chill...for all intents and purposes it was mostly a "nerd" party, there were only a few cute girls there. It started off quietly but things got pretty crazy for me after midnight as that's when I really started feeling the drinks and consequently started thinking with my dck. I wasn't really looking for girls at first but out of nowhere some drunk girl started twerking on me and things got pretty crazy....ended up lifting her leg while grinding on her etc. After we were done dancing I kept asking for her snap/number and eventually convinced her to come outside with me. As soon as we got outside she starts rubbing on my chest and we started making out, feeling up on each other etc but she wouldn't let me finger her. Turns out she came with a group of guys who look like the FA type...as we were making out a couple of them walk by and I guess one of the dudes was trying to be my friend cause he told her to stick her hands in my pants and she actually did it. For some reason my drunk mind convinced me it wasn't a good idea (started getting paranoid about dat dere rape allegation) so I took her hand out and we made out for a few more mins before her girlfriend took her back inside.

At that point I was just shocked because the whole thing happened so fast, don't think I've ever had a read, react, escalate sequence as fast as that one. Nevertheless, a few minutes later her and her friend go outside so I immediately followed. I started talking to her friend, when out of nowhere she starts grabbing my dck through my pants....legit started giving me a handjob and kept telling her friend I have a big dick.Me and her friend literally had a casual conversation while she was just stroking my broadcaster, probably would've lol'd if I wasn't trying to figure out how to get a threesome out of the whole thing, looking back on it I probably shoulda just asked her friend if she wanted to touch it too. The funniest part about it was one of their FA crew friends came out and for a couple of mins the same thing continued while the FA brah kinda stood to the side lol Unfortunately more people came outside and she started talking to her group of fa brahs again. Same dude from earlier said "i think you need to fck this n_gga right now because its gonna be your only chance, do it!!"...strong wtf.

Eventually they go back to their place in the same apt complex and I went with them but it was a total sausage fest with all of the FA dudes trying to awkwardly hit on the same two girls. To make matters worse there were two other dudes who had decent game there who kinda tagged along with me so it was like 8 dudes trying to get with 2 girls. Didn't like my odds so I left and the two other brahs followed me out. Turns out I goof'd because I looked on snapchat later and saw that some other random nerdy cute black girls ended up at the afterparty with all the FA brahs and they were acting slooty too.

I guess it was a pretty good night, went out with the intention of making out with a girl and got more. I've made out with girls at the club/parties before but it's not every night some random sloot grabs your dink while her friend just watches. Although it was fun I'm justmindblown at how these seemingly FA nerdy brahs have decent looking girls in their social circle.While I was truly FA and unconfident I couldn't get around females to save my life, to this day it's still a struggle despite the gains I've made. It is what it is, I've gotten over it a little but it does annoy me from time to time. It's almost as if I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time when it comes to these things.

At least you had some decent looking women at the party you were at. The party I went to, all the women were fat (they were friends of my female friend who is overweight herself but is not bad looking) and I was the youngest one there too and the only black person there. I didn't really feel left out or weird about it, just I wish there were better looking women that my friend knew. Who knows, maybe there are but I need to meet them. Still had a good time but me and my other friend were like "Fuk".

The best approach is to always assume interest. You will come off more confident when you do this as well. If she engages you, its usually on. You should be able to pick up on their body language, although I do hear you, it is difficult to tell with some of them (albeit they are the minority IME).

Walmart girl wanted more by the sounds of it, which is why she came around again

Iamdetermined. Good for you. Surprised her friends werent trying to cock block. And its always the worst at some get together with more guys than girls and everyone is trying to hit the select few chicks.

What the cuck?

But srs though, that whole post is maximum Chad mode.

I would say that FA dudes seldom have hot girls around though - else they pry wouldn't be FA.

Damn that sucks..can't imagine going to a party expecting hbbs only to be met with a colony of whales. I hate when I show up to a party and there aren't any cute girls there. At least you still managed to have a good time, I probably would've been pissed the whole time.Yeah I figured, for some reason my pride didn't feel comfortable trying to pick up some random from wal-mart.I was surprised too...especially since from what I saw, the "friends" were trying to hook up with her too. I just couldn't do it, as exciting as the idea of smashing was I wasn't about to fight over some random 5-6/10.Lol'd yeah no clue what the hell was going on there. I thought maybe he was just trying to be friendly with me but who knows he could've been going full cuck mode.

Thanks brah, I always have fun at house parties. I'd say getting bigger helped, haven't been to many parties since I made gains but everytime I go to one I get numbers/snapchats. Unfortunately it never turns into smashing.

These girls were far from hot. Their bodies were good for what they needed to be used for but they were more of the nerdy type, they weren't anything special. Either way the same thought passed through my head but seeing the way they interacted with other people at the party/the girls in their crew gave it away. Watching them attempt to hit on the girls was a cringefest, I just had to get out of there.

Just lost my job guys. Long story short for my field you have to pass a polygraph to maintain the position. Looks like the results werent good on the last. Currently indulging in that there jack daniels at 1pm lol. My end goal is to be a Software Dev (which im going to school for) so Im gonna start on the grind. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, but yeah. Such is life.