Need some help w my game.. it's been lacking




I try to be a chad but they see through to my inner timothy

I will bet you that it won't supersede Tinder in number of hookups created. This isn't some efficient market where people immediately jump to network for finding the best mate.

The majority of girls aren't smart. They don't set out and think "Boy, I should create an Instagram profile so I can attract the highest-value males". That's what WE do. They go where the masses go. The masses are going to Tinder. People flock to Tinder because it's seen as a dating app, whereas Instagram is seen as a social network.

Messaging a girl is seen as acceptable on Tinder because she'son there to ****. Whereas with Instagram, all girls are OPEN to ****ing, but any misstep in messaging can throw them off. Just like any medium.

I'll repeat: Instagram is the MySpace of 2005-2007. Were guys getting laid by sending messages to girls on MySpace? Of course! Was it as efficient as Match.com or Plenty of Fish? Of course not!Again, you're talking as if movement of human beings is a totally efficient market. There are hot girls in every city in the US. TONS of them. Sure, LA and Miami have more than others, but they also have way better male competition.

You filter for gold-diggers and status seekers. There are a ton of hot girls that find money and general status (not social ecosystem status) largely irrelevant.This proves my point. Two girls were already on other sites.

Instagram is a supplement to hookup apps. It is not a viable option in and of itself.

Yup

rarely works tbh

go check out the RooshV forums, there's 2 very long threads on there with all the information you need. You'll have to look a few pages back now as they've been closed and talking about Instagram banned I believe.Wrong. Their friend just got phucked by some famous athlete who DM'd her on Instagram when she followed him, so now she's following all the celebrities she wants to phuck too hoping she will get the same and displaying the goods as best she can... Girls will flock to these things when they find out their friends are doing it and getting results, just like they are flocking to Sugar baby sites etc.

Dude, what exactly do you think is going on on Instagram!? Do you honestly think these girls are posting photos of their tits and asses only for the likes and validation. Once again it's Alpha fux, beta bux. The top guys on IG (celebs, rich guys, super good looking guys) are cleaning up, they are lying on their couches while these women beg to jump on their cocks, meanwhile she's validated by the likes (beta bux) from all the thirsty guys. There's an innate biological reason for her needing this, the validation is her assurance that the tribe (women and men) accept her and that the they will help take care of her and her offspring while she anonymously phucks the top guys.So almost every pro athlete, celebrity and male model was on Myspace in 2005-2007? I think not. Totally different ballgame. The possibility of getting plowed by their favorite footballer was not a possibility on Myspace. It's a very real possibility on Instagram if they can just get him to notice her... So up go the tits and ass shots, max out her followers for exposure etc.Sure, but very few of them are going to be on Tinder or any other online dating site for that matter in a city like Sydney where there's more than enough quality options in their everyday lives. They are a needle in a haystack online. When you do find them it's usually because they're extremely introverted and have no social circle etc. they are rare. Hot girls simply don't need those apps unless they are looking for something they can't find through friends, which can be a pretty high bar here. Elsewhere, it depends. Plenty of ugly/fat ones on there though. I'm sure the problem won't be as bad in the US, not even close, but it's still a factor.The same thing could be said about hookup apps frankly. So my success on Instagram is about the same as Tinder nowadays, if not better. May only be 3 girls, but 3 very hot girls in the time span of a few months without having opened a heap of my other followers.

1 of whom I see ongoing and 1 of whom I would have been able to see ongoing if me being married hadn't freaked her out. 3x ~8's, 1 ongoing, in a few months is quite good for a married man with limited dating time in a very tough city, and it's great in comparison to what I can get on Tinder. So what if they're on other apps? Everyone's on other apps nowadays (or has been) if they're single, so that's meaningless, had it not been for IG, I wouldn't have met them.

So based off just those results it's clear to me that if I was opening every 6-7 on there following me it would surpass my current results on tinder no question. But I have no interest in spamming girls on IG I have no intention of meeting up just to prove a point.

In fact, over this past year, I think I had very few pure tinder bangs. Pure as in they hadn't seen me on the other dating site... One was the blonde, 5'10, 23yo model I was seeing for months that you saw photos of. Most of the rest had seen me elsewhere and only matched me and banged me for that reason probably. So Tinder really is losing out to IG and other sites for me now, it never used to be that way. I'd say Tinder is the supplement, not the other way around.

Living in Sydney has given you a very skewed view of reality. The problem with your arguments is that they are very similar to the red pill mantra of "AWALT". The *majority* of girls are not doing this. The majority of girls haven't ****ed a celebrity from Instagram. The majority of girls don't have friends that are telling them to sign up and "max out their profile" so a celebrity will **** them. That's guy logic. What you are talking about is a small minority of Instagram hoes that don't represent the population as a whole.

I'll restate my argument: there is some value to curating a decent Instagram profile. Many guys would benefit from it. A top few would benefit a LOT from it. Most will barely benefit at all.

Not sure if anyone in here still uses Okcupid, but they basically ruined the site:

https://theblog.okcupid.com/why-okcu...e-f14d492e7853

100% agreed. Go to any location, look at the recent Instagram photos and you can find a ton of girls like this. 7.5s and above.

how is canada just curious about that market

Canada is not a market, it's a country.

Cities are markets.

Don't really use it anymore but it's still on my phone. Had to laugh at this today

The majority of them met these guys through school, work or social circle. They didn't meet them on Tinder/online or in a bar/club from a cold approach. So that's not really relevant to a thread like this. Girls that are happy with guys like that, aren't hunting online, they don't need to be, there are plenty of guys they can pick from they meet through daily life, and the better the market for them, the more true this is. The girls open to meeting men online, especially the hot ones, are looking for something they can't get in there everyday lives, and are often looking for something extraordinary or out of their league (there are of course some exceptions, like girls who have just moved or extremely introverted girls etc.). You are the prime example of this.

Yes, you can meet hot girls through friends, work, school etc. (with a bit of luck) and you don't have to beat out an army of top notch competition. However the major problem with this as a guy is that it doesn't give you an abundance of options, this leads to a scarcity mentality where you have this hot girl, and you don't know if you're ever going to be able to get another hot girl like her again, because you just kind of lucked into it. Which in turn leads to a situation where she has the control and the upper hand in the relationship.

It is a necessity in the modern western world for any man that values both his freedom and independence (whether in a relationship or not) and who needs a suitable and perhaps varied sex life to be able to meet women cold, whether online or through bars/clubs etc. Or to just be rich and happy paying for it.

A guy that has a hot GF he met from a cold approach whatever the venue is in a much, much better position than a guy who has an even hotter GF he met through friends who doesn't know how to cold approach. Because the first guy can always repeat what he did and get another GF relatively easy if he has to next her if she starts giving him any grief or if she leaves him. The second guy cannot.

That is where Tinder/Bumble/Instagram/Dating sites etc. come in.Yes. As above, the majority of girls meet some guy through friends/social circle who they are perfectly happy with, and the majority of guys luck into GF's and that's the only way they can get laid. When you find some 8+ girl on Tinder what does that tell you? You think she doesn't have enough options in everyday life? Why does she need to be online looking for a guy?

This is why it's often the fresh foreign girls that are better, because they are just normal girls that have moved and don't have the social circle yet to meet guys. Or in the case of the US, girls that have just moved cities. That doesn't happen as much in many other countries where the population is less mobile.

Essentially, the hot (8+) girls that were on Tinder, are moving to IG, because they are hypergamous whores and will go wherever they have more chance of snagging a top guy. If you're just DTF pitching 6's and the only thing you have going for you is offering them rough sex and a ripped body, then sure... Stick with Tinder.

just fkd a chick with her bf watching, in the corner. not a bad experience, for those ever to be propositioned.

Any halfway decent looking chick can make a killing with validation on Instagram now. They got guys virtually eating them out with every body post.

She can make a killing with alot more than validation if she's halfway intelligent and is that way inclined as well.

I think what you're saying is true for some girls, and I'm not sure how the scene is in Sydney, but I can tell you that here, nearly every single one of those college sorority girls has had an active Tinder profile at some point. There is little stigma in the social circles of these girls about using Tinder to hook up with guys. In fact, when Tinder first started, they grew their userbase by sending people in person to sororities and having them install the app.

I see them all the time, and when I go through their linked Instagrams I see photos of their past monogamous boyfriends, it's all social circle (HS chad -> another HS chad -> college frat bro chad). But as soon as they're single, they go on Tinder and sloot it up.

I'm talking about girls like this:

So I suppose my point is, most girls on Instagram have Tinder as well, if you're using Instagram to basically get an extra "superlike" for Tinder by following the girl, that's fine, but in my experience it's almost more effort than it's worth, and most conversations lead nowhere.

Yes, at some point, but we're talking about NOW, that's the point. They're slowly moving off Tinder because they can get a better deal elsewhere. No one would argue that Tinder is as good as it used to be, these girls haven't left online dating, they've just moved on to elsewhere.And increasingly, there is little social stigma about them using other avenues to meet guys, including Instagram and elsewhere. There's also less and less stigma of them accepting 'favors' to hook up, as more and more of their friends do it, and if you're going to hook up with a guy anyway, may as well get a little bit of something extra out of it if they can.No chit, and it phucks them up. You think she's going to be happy with average Chad, once she's had rich or famous Chad for a night? The bar keeps getting raised, and they're moving into avenues where they can meet exactly those guys. When popular Chad becomes the beta bf, you know you've got problems with the current state of the dating scene.

Look at some of the pro athletes or celebs the 2 girls you just posted as examples follow. You think if one those guys hit her up for a discreet phuck they would turn it down? L O L

Instagram is quickly becoming one of the biggest avenues of meeting people romantically, that and the p4p dating sites, who's member numbers are doubling every 6 months. It's painfully obvious to anyone who's head isn't stuck in the sand where things are heading.

Tinder's userbase continues to grow. Bumble is showing 70% year over year growth:https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc.../#6319c21d248b

Tinder isn't as good as it used to be for the *average guy*, but I'd imagine it's as good as or better than ever for the top guys.One of the biggest?!?! You keep making claims with zero evidence.

Is this app dead cuz no matches and no slays
Also, have to pay now
Is there anything new

Not dead, just tinder isn't prioritizing you in stacks for whatever reason.

I'm moving cities soon, my ELO sucks and I barely get matches. Would it be better resetting the account for a fresh ELO (Is that even possible anymore?), or should I just keep the account and work in the new city with whatever ELO I have.

Look beyond the 10% stat that Tinder give the public. Even if that is accurate alot of people don't ever delete their tinder profiles, they just have inactive accounts. 10% user growth probably equates to a loss in active users. This is impossible to prove without having access to Tinder's data, however it should be obvious to even the most simple minded that it's in a dating apps best interest to 'fudge' this number or at the very least misrepresent it in anyway possible to make it appear larger than it actually is.Again, according to bumble. Who's CEO accused a Tinder exec of sexual harassment and landed a pay out, who employs an 85% female workforce including in all the top jobs despite being a tech company where the majority of the pool of potential employees is male while claiming to want 'equality' between the sexes. She seems like a super reliable source...There used to be threads on these very forums of guys getting 2000-6000 matches a week in a single city. I myself got 4000 in London in 2 days. That's impossible nowadays, so no.This is analogous to asking for evidence in 2013 to a claim that bitcoin was going to hit a high of ~$19k in 2017. We can only attempt to predict the future based on current trends and sentiment. Sure, I could be wrong, and obviously there's no way for me to prove a claim that Instagram will be the dating app of the future, so many things can happen to change that trajectory, but right now it's poised to become just that.

I should also note to the readers here, when you rate a girl a 7, in my experience, she's usually a 5 or 6, if that. So they'd be fairly safe to deduct 1 or more often 2 points from your ratings of the girls you get off Tinder, with few exceptions. Out of all the girls you've phucked off Tinder that I saw over the years, I don't think there were many that I'd really be happy to phuck, they were that ugly, and I'm betting a fair few of the guys you are giving advice to would agree with that sentiment if they were to see photos of many of these girls.

Granted when it comes to ratings there is some subjectivity, but I know if I was posting up the girls I get vs your own for all to judge, the overwhelming majority of guys would rate my girls as considerably more attractive on average. This is important to note, because alot of the guys in this thread would not be satisfied with your results at all, but would probably be more than satisfied with mine. So yeah, Tinder is still as good as it's ever been if you're happy phucking girls not many others want...

It’s tough for me to weigh in on the legitimacy of IG as a dating app, as I’ve just started using it and am trying to figure out how to optimize everything. Currently, basically all my followers are friends of mine IRL. The only girl I’ve ever hooked up with off there DM’ed me after meeting me earlier that day and tracking me down.

However, I’ve seen BRB’s IG and can definitely confirm it would be gold if you can figure out how to do it right. He has a lot of followers and a huge majority are very hot women - bikini models, fashion stars, IG “celebs,” etc. He’s pretty damn good looking himself (no homo) and all his pics are stylish and/or in fancy places around the world with thousands of likes from said women.

I don’t know how well an average or moderately above average guy can do on this. I definitely see how top tier guys can crush it though. I’m going to start trying to put myself closer to that tier. Can probably never get there in looks, but will try to DHV as much as possible. Will keep the thread updated if I manage any success from my IG in addition to Tinder.

Same thing applies to Instagram.So because you don't agree with the CEO's views, she's suddenly a liar? LOLLLLYes, and you were using a bot to bump your profile up to the top of every girl's stack. Guys used to get more matches on Tinder because there was less male competition, and probably better ratios.Nice, so now you've turned this into an e-penis content about how you boink more attractive girls than me, thus... what? My opinion is invalid? Listen, I'm well aware I'm ugly, short, have tough logistics, and live in literal worst city in the US with the ugliest women. Trust me, the fact that I'm even able to get laid at all surprises me every day, mate.

I'm just not sure what it has to do with the current conversation.

Yes, but Instagram already has 16x the claimed number of users as Tinder's claimed number of users.No, because the CEO has proven herself to be extremely manipulative and hypocritical, go have a look at the chats with the tinder exec that were at the center of the sexual harassment claims, or her views on gender equality etc. she espouses to manipulate the media contrasted with her own hiring practices. She's very clever and very manipulative, so I fully expect her to also manipulate those numbers.Which is exactly what boost does now and doesn't get me anywhere near those results. Even if I boosted 24/7.Right, whereas Instagram has more women than men, and there is less male competition as a percentage of it's total user base.I couldn't care less about a dick measuring contest, and I have no intention of getting into one with you. I'm not arguing with you for your benefit, I couldn't care less how very wrong you are about so many things, you already know my thoughts on many of your beliefs. So I just don't care what you think, however if you're going to spread your false beliefs to everyone on here, I'll call you out on it.

So I was pointing out that you don't really have much (any?) experience phucking hot women, or even average women for that matter. I do, and if you want to meet and phuck hot women from online with any sort of consistency, Instagram is becoming more and more important, and Tinder is becoming the middle man, soon that middle man will be cut out entirely and Tinder will be the new POF. Swarms of ugly/fat/old women.

That's because I don't tip toe around people's feelings and sugar coat the posts with the intention of not causing offence. If I did, the content that you agree with would be diluted with a bunch of fluff to appease the readers emotions.Ever heard of tough love? I made huge contributions to pancake's results, I won't list the improvements he made, where he was and where he got to as a result of my advice, that would be a violation of his privacy, however at one point he flat out said that I and a small group of others was the best source of online dating advice on the entire internet.

Trying to help him is like trying to deprogram a religious fanatic though, he can only be helped so much, there's underlying beliefs that are buried so deep into his psych from years of liberal, feel good, brainwashing that form a psychological barrier that makes certain frames of thought impossible for him. I can stop him spreading some of his beliefs though so it doesn't limit others in the same way. Or I could sugar coat my posts to spare his (and others) feelings to the detriment of the majority.

Pancake is unable to phuck hot girls off Instagram because he's not prepared to do what's necessary, I remember he came close with a very hot girl off there, but he phucked it up and it had nothing to do with his looks. Others are prepared to do what's necessary, or at least prepared to take a crack, just look at Scotty. above.

Anyway, I'll let everyone else make up their own minds. We all benefit from people taking on board advice and then improving on that foundation. I wasn't the one that came up with the idea of using IG to game girls, nor did I come up with the methods to do it right, I was fortunate to be provided with all of that information but then I improved on it, and that's the sort of innovation we want to foster. Pancake's 'Instagram is a waste of time for almost everyone, just dtf pitch 5's on Tinder' speal is just going to stifle innovation, not foster it.We're on a thread about how to **** girls on Tinder and other apps. If we were at a charity event for child cancer sufferers you'd probably see a very different side of me, context.