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Thread: Why do 55% of white people think they're discriminated against?

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Originally Posted By fleeceitout⏩
Lol are black peoplr still crying about slavery?
IME, no not at all (srs)

It's usually white people crying about it on their behalf.
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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
By their population, they should be 55% of the people at these Universities, and by their merit should be around 72%. But admissions officers have made sure that their average student body is only 44.35% white.
See Yale:
>#3 most Jewish Univeristy in the States (27%)
>Claims 46.5% "white"
>Meaning roughly ~19.5% actual white

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Just thought you'd find this interesting.
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
IME, no not at all (srs)

It's usually white people crying about it on their behalf.
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
IME, no not at all (srs)

It's usually white people crying about it on their behalf.
Yeah I shouldn’t have just said black people tbh. I’ve noticed a lot of the noise coming from white guilt cucks with a saviour complex.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Are you asking me if a school is allowed to discriminate based on race? Because that's exactly what you're describing, and the answer is "Yes, but only if the discrimination is against white people, Jews, or Asians, because they score higher on their SAT's, and as a result our diversity quotas aren't being met.".

If meeting your diversity mandates requires either dumbing down the curriculum, or actively discriminating against perfectly qualified candidates in favor of less qualified candidates who "tick a checkbox" on a quota, and this is somehow the desired result, then you (not you specifically, speaking of Harvard in this instance) don't believe in equality of opportunity, but instead you want equality of outcome, which isn't equality at all. Meritocracy is dead under these circumstances.
I cannot understand how someone could read this and not agree with it.
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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
Depends, given the circumstances (the link looks at hard labor in different continents), I'd prefer to come to America knowing how things would turn out
Yes because we can all see in the future. You'd rather get dragged out of your home onto a boat for a long voyage, during which you might die, and take a chance at being someone else's property.
Originally Posted By NVious⏩
What is population size? Blacks have higher rates of poverty and welfare usage. The point was about reparations which have been paid n full.
So welfare from tax paying whites to poor whites = needed help. And welfare from tax paying whites to poor blacks = reparations?

What about welfare from tax paying blacks to poor whites? I pay my taxes. And a good chunk of it goes to federal programs that benefits more white people than black people. That ain't fair.

Originally Posted By NVious⏩
Really? The only place slavery exists in a way that isn't massively illegal is in the middle east and Africa (not controlled by whites).
https://borgenproject.org/worst-coun...n-trafficking/

I see whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, and arabs on that list.

Originally Posted By NVious⏩
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirm...#United_States

Affirmative action was first created from Executive Order 10925, which was signed by President John F. Kennedy on 6 March 1961 and required that government employers "not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, creed, color, or national origin" and "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin".[69][70]

On 24 September 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed Executive Order 11246, thereby replacing Executive Order 10925 and affirming Federal Government's commitment "to promote the full realization of equal employment opportunity through a positive, continuing program in each executive department and agency".[3] Affirmative action was extended to women by Executive Order 11375 which amended Executive Order 11246 on 13 October 1967, by adding "sex" to the list of protected categories. In the U.S. affirmative action's original purpose was to pressure institutions into compliance with the nondiscrimination mandate of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.[15][71] The Civil Rights Acts do not cover veterans, people with disabilities, or people over 40. These groups are protected from discrimination under different laws.[72]

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This is government force and government force in NOT allowing whites freedom of association.

If forced segregation (by government) is bad, why is forced integration good?
Are you saying the government is forcing Harvard to integrate?

We weren't talking about government action until now. That too is an institutional decision. The federal government, through elected officials, put into office by the national populace, made a decision on a particular issue. If you disagree with the decision, your recourse is through the political process. The world is not going to bend to your will because you disagree with the path on which society is heading. If you disagree with the laws on the books, do like you did in November of 2016, and go vote.
Originally Posted By NVious⏩
You'll have to quantify those claims, we do have a good example of a black run country with a white minority in South Africa, should we use that as a counter example of white v black treatment of the opposite minority?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ustrating.html


Originally Posted By NVious⏩
Still doesn't discount their anti white bias, there is no right with equivalent, but maybe now you want to make the freedom of association argument. Are you for total and complete freedom of association? I.e discrimination for any reason.
If you're not trespassing on private property, being disruptive, violent, or otherwise breaking some law, then you have the right to associate with whomever for whatever reason. It gets dicey when you hold a position where you're supposed to serve and protect the public.

Is it possible to serve and protect in a fair and objective manner if you're part of a group that believes (and you also deeply believe that) some people are inherently better than others?
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Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
What about the other 50%?
Well if 50% of the African population is enslaved, it stands to reason that the other 50% isn't, and of that 50% that isn't, at least 1% is involved in the slave trade through logistics or administration.
Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
Would you rather be free and uncomfortable or a someone else's property and slightly more comfortable?
Do you honestly believe anyone here is free right now? The only truly free place on this planet that currently exists is probably ****lia. Would you rather live there? If so, why aren't you?
Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
Whites pay the majority of taxes and whites receive the majority of welfare. Anything poor black people do, poor white people also do. Just go to any poor white town in middle America or the south. And there are many many many more poor white people than poor black people.
Because whites account for 65% of the population while blacks only 13%. Do you understand what these statistics would look like if 50% of the population was black and 50% of the population was white?

**** it, I was going to finish quoting and arguing every point you made, but this is pointless.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Are you asking me if a school is allowed to discriminate based on race? Because that's exactly what you're describing, and the answer is "Yes, but only if the discrimination is against white people, Jews, or Asians, because they score higher on their SAT's, and as a result our diversity quotas aren't being met.".

If meeting your diversity mandates requires either dumbing down the curriculum, or actively discriminating against perfectly qualified candidates in favor of less qualified candidates who "tick a checkbox" on a quota, and this is somehow the desired result, then you (not you specifically, speaking of Harvard in this instance) don't believe in equality of opportunity, but instead you want equality of outcome, which isn't equality at all. Meritocracy is dead under these circumstances.
Yes your argument is valid. But there is another valid argument on the other side saying that a critical mass of diverse students does more than just tick a box or fulfill a quota. Some argue that it broadens the perspective of every student on campus, and provides minority communities with future leaders. Some schools choose one side of the argument over the other. And that's their judgment to make.

Yes, you disagree with it. But for every one of you, there's someone (or more than one person) that agrees with it. And some people even argue that affirmative action isn't doing enough, that it should go farther.
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I have some questions for all you white guys who feel discriminated against:

Do you think African Americans (going back generations) are Americans on the same footing as you?

Do you think a Chinese, or Indian, or Hispanic that was born here (legally) is an American on the same footing as you?

Or do you think your say should mean more than their say because they are not white christian Americans?
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If the privilege wasn't enough, now they want to be victims too?

Who is discriminating against them? Since minorities aren't in positions to, it would have to be OTHER WHITE PEOPLE, you can't make this stuff up, they're literally victimizing themselves just to be part of the oppressed crowd lol
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Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
Yes your argument is valid.But there is another valid argument on the other side saying that a critical mass of diverse students does more than just tick a box or fulfill a quota. Some argue that it broadens the perspective of every student on campus, and provides minority communities with future leaders. Some schools choose one side of the argument over the other. And that's their judgment to make.

Yes, you disagree with it. But for every one of you, there's someone (or more than one person) that agrees with it. And some people even argue that affirmative action isn't doing enough, that it should go farther.
Since there's zero evidence that intellectual diversity stems from race or gender, I question the validity of the underlined statement.
Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
I have some questions for all you white guys who feel discriminated against:

Do you think African Americans (going back generations) are Americans on the same footing as you?

Do you think a Chinese, or Indian, or Hispanic that was born here (legally) is an American on the same footing as you?

Or do you think your say should mean more than their say because they are not white christian Americans?
This entire paragraph is meant to muddy the waters. The question is simply this: Are white people being discriminated against? The answer of course, is yes. It doesn't matter if other people have also been discriminated against, or if they had it worse. I'm not really going to argue against, black people "were" **** on, although so were other races throughout history to include white people. If you believe discrimination based on race is wrong, then you should be against discrimination against white people. It doesn't matter what "some" white people did throughout history. What matters is consistency. If it's wrong to discriminate against black people based on their race, then the same is true for all groups. Anything else is hypocrisy.
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[QUOTE=BigPoppaPumpin post_id=1538981571]Yes your argument is valid. But there is another valid argument on the other side saying that a critical mass of diverse students does more than just tick a box or fulfill a quota. [B]Some argue that it broadens the perspective of every student on campus, Some argue that it broadens the perspective of every student on campus,[b]and provides minority communities with future leaders.[/b]Some schools choose one side of the argument over the other. And that's their judgment to and provides minority communities with future leaders. Some schools choose one side of the argument over the other. And that's their judgment to make.

Yes, you disagree with it. But for every one of you, there's someone (or more than one person) that agrees with it. And some people even argue that affirmative action isn't doing enough, that it should go farther.[/QUOTE]But if we're a "multicultural" society, why would minorities need minority leaders? Wouldn't someone that's not a minority but more qualified be a better choice to assimilate these minority environments into the whole community?
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Originally Posted By iHateDeadlifts⏩
black people were owned by whites for many, many years. literally, a human owned another human because of his skin color. Black people were banned from educational facilities such as school, participating in voting, from opening bank accounts, owning land, etc. Literally black people are playing extreme mode catch-up in 2017 to keep up with white people due to hundreds of years of oppresion.
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Literally anyone can be discriminated against, but this idea that the white population is being "systemically" discriminated against is total BS. I feel like these people are watching a far left, liberal, social justice warrior, attacking them, and then they feel like their race is being discriminated against and under attack. Like this never happened to minorities in much worse ways, than online attacks.

2017: Brb, Buzzfeed, and TYT blaming White men, lets cause a scene, and claim major discrimination.


Also, they act as if Neo-nazis, and far right racist groups don't exist lol. Beyond that, generally speaking, I don't know how anyone could argue that minorities are less discriminated against than Whites on average.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Since there's zero evidence that intellectual diversity stems from race or gender, I question the validity of the underlined statement.




This entire paragraph is meant to muddy the waters. The question is simply this: Are white people being discriminated against? The answer of course, is yes. It doesn't matter if other people have also been discriminated against, or if they had it worse. I'm not really going to argue against, black people "were" **** on, although so were other races throughout history to include white people. If you believe discrimination based on race is wrong, then you should be against discrimination against white people. It doesn't matter what "some" white people did throughout history. What matters is consistency. If it's wrong to discriminate against black people based on their race, then the same is true for all groups. Anything else is hypocrisy.
The fact that you're not willing to answer the question says a lot

It's not a trick question. There should be (I hope) a right and a wrong answer
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Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
The fact that you're not willing to answer the question says a lot

It's not a trick question. There should be (I hope) a right and a wrong answer
Of course it's a trick question. You're deflecting away from the main issue of the thread, which is that white people feel discriminated against, because they in fact are. You don't want to admit white people are discriminated against, so you're bringing up irrelevancies. No, I'm not minimizing what any other groups have gone through with the previous sentence. I'm saying that discrimination based on race is wrong, and that white people are in fact experiencing it. Whether or not other groups ALSO experienced it doesn't change the fact that as of this moment, white people are experiencing it.

I've noticed this same train of thought you seem to be stuck on from feminists. You seem to think that someone saying "White people are experiencing racism/discrimination" somehow takes away from what other groups have dealt with. It doesn't. Feminists seem to think that saying "Men have issues" takes away from women also having issues. It doesn't. Both can be true simultaneously. Why you seem to want to turn it into an oppression Olympics, and claim "Well we had it worse so white people should stop whining" is pretty questionable (I know you didn't use those exact words, but that seems to be the general vibe).

Tell me: Does white people being discriminated against threaten your victimhood?

**Edit**

Tell you what, I'll go one better and answer your question with another question (while simultaneously answering yours):

Do you think the fact that these groups are not "on equal footing" with white people is due to discrimination, or could there be some other reason?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Of course it's a trick question. You're deflecting away from the main issue of the thread, which is that white people feel discriminated against, because they in fact are. You don't want to admit white people are discriminated against, so you're bringing up irrelevancies. No, I'm not minimizing what any other groups have gone through with the previous sentence. I'm saying that discrimination based on race is wrong, and that white people are in fact experiencing it. Whether or not other groups ALSO experienced it doesn't change the fact that as of this moment, white people are experiencing it.

I've noticed this same train of thought you seem to be stuck on from feminists. You seem to think that someone saying "White people are experiencing racism/discrimination" somehow takes away from what other groups have dealt with. It doesn't. Feminists seem to think that saying "Men have issues" takes away from women also having issues. It doesn't. Both can be true simultaneously. Why you seem to want to turn it into an oppression Olympics, and claim "Well we had it worse so white people should stop whining" is pretty questionable (I know you didn't use those exact words, but that seems to be the general vibe).

Tell me: Does white people being discriminated against threaten your victimhood?
Then you make the term of discrimination to hold no power, and to mean basically nothing at all. Under your guidelines, I could say that White slave owners were discriminated against, since their slaves and the family of the Slaves despised them for enslavement.

So how exactly are 2017 White's being discriminated against beyond some online social justice videos?
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Originally Posted By SteadyWayfarer⏩
Then you make the term of discrimination to hold no power, and to mean basically nothing at all. Under your guidelines, I could say that White slave owners were discriminated against, since their slaves despised them for enslavement. So how exactly are White's being discriminated against beyond some online social justice videos?
False equivalence. Today's minorities have no basis to hate today's white people. Furthermore, I'd argue that any such hatred would be "collectivised hatred", which is in fact, racism.

Your analogy is Apples to Oranges anyway. You cited the example of white "slave owners" and their slaves. So yes, a slave has a right to hate their owner. That doesn't confer the right for all black people to hate all white people. You are taking the specific and generalizing it.
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Here's a real time example as to what results when professional standards are lowered:

Less well-educated Doctors are proportionantely more likely to prescribe opiods. Not saying this is racially based, but the data can be extrapolated out to the concept of AA. Lowering standards will result in lower quality of service.

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Originally Posted By BigPoppaPumpin⏩
Yes because we can all see in the future. You'd rather get dragged out of your home onto a boat for a long voyage, during which you might die, and take a chance at being someone else's property.

Than live in Africa in the 1800s, yes, I'll take those chances.

You wouldn't? I mean if you don't like America, feel free to leave, but African Americans enjoy the highest standard of living of any Africans in the world.



So welfare from tax paying whites to poor whites = needed help. And welfare from tax paying whites to poor blacks = reparations?

What about welfare from tax paying blacks to poor whites? I pay my taxes. And a good chunk of it goes to federal programs that benefits more white people than black people. That ain't fair.

Not for welfare in general, but they can be considered a form of reparations.

Blacks are a net negative in America in terms of taxes collected, see:

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/...and-hispanics/

Do you understand proportionality? I'm not saying that to be rude, but are you trying to compare similar numbers of people using welfare TOTAL without taking into consideration that there are 5x as many whites in America?

https://borgenproject.org/worst-coun...n-trafficking/

I see whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, and arabs on that list.

Human trafficking is different than slavery, although if you want to lump it together, that's fine, but precision with language should be strived for

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4eb60f3a68ce

Slavery is a far larger issue in the middle east, Africa and Asia than Europe.

My whole point is that slavery is painted as a black on white issue, there are other groups that were involved and did it just as large, this is a lie that is sold in an effort to stir hatred towards whites while DIRECTLY ignoring real facts.



Are you saying the government is forcing Harvard to integrate?

We weren't talking about government action until now. That too is an institutional decision. The federal government, through elected officials, put into office by the national populace, made a decision on a particular issue. If you disagree with the decision, your recourse is through the political process. The world is not going to bend to your will because you disagree with the path on which society is heading. If you disagree with the laws on the books, do like you did in November of 2016, and go vote.

Now you're conflating private and public, but it is good that you admit that the law of land trumps all.

Do you agree with total freedom of association (I can deny service or hire whoever I want)?


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ustrating.html

1.Blacks also commit more crime, should there be any correlation between crime and how often your car is searched or should the higher correlation be between population distribution?

2.More crime goes on in black neighborhoods, should we not expect these numbers or are you now going to not like when I give you YOUR OWN logic of "if you don't like it, VOTE! Run for office!!!"?

3.They can't afford to pay bail, ok and? What do you want to say with this? Should someone else pay it?

4.Ok and again? Do they HAVE to take it? As far as I'm aware, this is a negotiation process.

5.What happened to the law being just or you running for office to change things? Or are we not doing that here either?

6.Court behavior and ability to afford representation come to mind as not being considered.

7.Maybe don't commit more crime than everyone else?

8.Not sure about this, so I won't comment as I don't know how probation works

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Now let's talk about whites living under blacks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_r...h_and_outcomes

The programme also left another 200,000 farmworkers displaced and homeless, with just under 5% receiving compensation in the form of land expropriated from their ousted employers

/\ Theft of white owners property by the government, nothing to that scale has occurred in America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...ic_Empowerment

Discrimination SOLELY based on skin color (South Africa is poorer in just about every regard today than pre Apartheid too, so it's not as if it has "worked")

I'm genuinely curious as to how you answer this:

Would you rather be an African American or a White Zimbabwean/South African? Why?



If you're not trespassing on private property, being disruptive, violent, or otherwise breaking some law, then you have the right to associate with whomever for whatever reason. It gets dicey when you hold a position where you're supposed to serve and protect the public.

Is it possible to serve and protect in a fair and objective manner if you're part of a group that believes (and you also deeply believe that) some people are inherently better than others?

Actually you don't, you cannot deny service to people for any reason, this is why there are now "racist dress codes":

https://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17q.../ku-medium.jpg

This sign wants to say one thing and one thing only, but that's against the law so you have the sign.

Why should any other group serve and protect anyone else? By your own logic, this is the fault of the individual and group, THEY should take action/vote and get involved etc.

Ultimately though, you're trying to imply that whites think this or that this is a common belief which is laughable because even you don't really believe this, otherwise you would be pushing for separation between the races or maybe you just think whites are racist and they need to work on it more (obviously the past work hasn't been enough, but with a bit more work, I'm sure things will magically come together right?).

So which is it?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
False equivalence.Today's minorities have no basis to hate today's white people.Furthermore, I'd argue that any such hatred would be "collectivised hatred", which is in fact, racism.

Your analogy is Apples to Oranges anyway. You cited the example of white "slave owners" and their slaves. So yes, a slave has a right to hate their owner. That doesn't confer the right for all black people to hate all white people. You are taking the specific and generalizing it.
Never said they did, Just showing you how weightless your use of discrimination is. And you didn't answer my question. How are 2017 Whites being discriminated against?
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If the privilege wasn't enough, now they want to be victims too?

Who is discriminating against them? Since minorities aren't in positions to, it would have to be OTHER WHITE PEOPLE, you can't make this stuff up, they're literally victimizing themselves just to be part of the oppressed crowd lol
Lol this clown actually thinks he’s oppressed.
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Originally Posted By SteadyWayfarer⏩
Then you make the term of discrimination to hold no power, and to mean basically nothing at all. Under your guidelines, I could say that White slave owners were discriminated against, since their slaves and the family of the Slaves despised them for enslavement.

So how exactly are 2017 White's being discriminated against beyond some online social justice videos?
No power? Anti white propoganda is being promoted and implemented at the highest levels these days. And that example is ridiclous, nobody but a SJW would think like that. These Obama era years and beyond have seen whites villianized at an instituional level.
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Originally Posted By SteadyWayfarer⏩
Never said they did, Just showing you how weightless your use of discrimination is. And you didn't answer my question
You haven't shown in any way how "weightless" my use of discrimination is, because you used a poor analogy to make your case.

As for your question, it's not just some random SJW videos on the internet (although those do in fact have some measure of affecting hearts and minds of the young). College professors are pushing this **** in universities. Even school teachers are pushing leftist narratives on kids. It's all Cultural Marxist dogma being pushed, and the oppressor class in said dogma is the White Male. Furthermore, the MSM also pushes the same nonsense, and defends these Marxist professors when they make completely outlandish statements, like the recent professor who finally resigned after he claimed "All I want for Christmas is white genocide". But yeah, white people aren't being discriminated against, we just have professors who want us all dead teaching this **** to students.
Even if I agreed that the current discrimination against white people is fairly petty and trivial ****, the indoctrination being foisted upon the next generation is already rearing its ugly head with the SJW crowd.. Antifa is comprised of anti-White, Communist asshats who run around larping as revolutionaries, committing violence. The next generation of this crap isn't going to be trivial.
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Originally Posted By BlazerXX⏩
No power? Anti white propoganda is being promoted and implemented at the highest levels these days. And that example is ridiclous, nobody but a SJW would think like that. These Obama era years and beyond have seen whites villianized at an instituional level.
I always hear stuff like anti-white propaganda, and villanization, but I don't see any evidence beyond a few far left liberal media platforms. What laws have passed that are unfair for Whites? You say it's at an institutional level, like this has somewhere transcended beyond online media somewhere. Shouldn't be hard to cite something right?
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Originally Posted By SteadyWayfarer⏩
Literally anyone can be discriminated against, but this idea that the white population is being "systemically" discriminated against is total BS. I feel like these people are watching a far left, liberal, social justice warrior, attacking them, and then they feel like their race is being discriminated against and under attack. Like this never happened to minorities in much worse ways, than online attacks.

2017: Brb, Buzzfeed, and TYT blaming White men, lets cause a scene, and claim major discrimination.


Also, they act as if Neo-nazis, and far right racist groups don't exist lol. Beyond that, generally speaking, I don't know how anyone could argue that minorities are less discriminated against than Whites on average.
Of course they exist. Thing is, they’re rightfully vilified & shutdown, where as racist groups like BLM are celebrated & given public platforms to spew their hatred.

You’d have to purposely go out of your way to ignore the blatant double standards happening atm.
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