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Thread: Misc Firearms Crew LXIX: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

post 1539099701 12-31-2017, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
I would imagine that the guy who sent the swatter the fake address is also going to get the balls-deep treatment.
Interesting event all around, but ^^ is what I'm most curious to see happen. Not sure how it will go.
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There are people who say you should do absolutely everything you can to never have interactions with the police or be where the police are because you never know when it will end you getting injured or shot/killed. This seems to be another piece of evidence they can use in making said argument.

But what can you do when the swat team may show up at your house and shoot you in your doorway after you open the door because some Kali ***got got mad playing COD and gave your address?
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I imagine so, but making up an address that you live at really shouldn't in itself be a big deal. I guess giving the address out to somebody who already said they would swat you is a bit more, but still...they really need to **** over the guy who calls these things in and, uh, why the **** did the cop shoot the guy, exactly??
Cop said he thought the guy was reaching into his waistband to grab a gun - shot him from across the street is what I gather
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I imagine so, but making up an address that you live at really shouldn't in itself be a big deal. I guess giving the address out to somebody who already said they would swat you is a bit more, but still...they really need to **** over the guy who calls these things in and, uh, why the **** did the cop shoot the guy, exactly??
The shoot looks pretty bad from the bodycam footage released so far. Cops staged across the street and seemingly not in iminent danger. Guy comes out the door and he does move his hands/arms, but it's not like there is anyone remotely close to him and he was shot pretty darn quick in the series of events. Seemed like more than enough time and distance to be a little more sure of what the guy is doing before plugging him.
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post 1539100231 12-31-2017, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
The shoot looks pretty bad from the bodycam footage released so far. Cops staged across the street and seemingly not in iminent danger. Guy comes out the door and he does move his hands/arms, but it's not like there is anyone remotely close to him and he was shot pretty darn quick in the series of events. Seemed like more than enough time and distance to be a little more sure of what the guy is doing before plugging him.
It's starting to feel more and more like police showing up, anywhere, any time, increases ones chances of becoming dead, law abiding or not
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post 1539100641 12-31-2017, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
Interesting event all around, but ^^ is what I'm most curious to see happen. Not sure how it will go.
In the end, it may not go very far for the guy who knowingly gave the dummy address to the guy he was daring to SWAT it . . . but I would guess they'll put him through the procedural wringer at a minimum to make his life a living and financial hell. Although I would guess you could make some kind of accessory charge based on you being the one who started the who chain of events. Similar to you hiring someone to "scare" someone else and they end up getting hurt/killed--you weren't the one who made the call or took the action to hurt the other person, but you set the wheels in motion.

Either way . . . all involved are pathetic dooshbags. Who the eff goes that far over a video game and a $1.50 bet. Good grief.
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post 1539100711 12-31-2017, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
if you want some of the best pizza one can get (Imo), the ground pepperoni at Dominico's in Belmont shore (long beach), is excellent.
Will do, if we make it over there...... might go to Hollywood today, wifey wants to. My oldest is driving down from San Mateo today and we’re dining at In n Out tonight.
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post 1539100881 12-31-2017, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
In the end, it may not go very far for the guy who knowingly gave the dummy address to the guy he was daring to SWAT it . . . but I would guess they'll put him through the procedural wringer at a minimum to make his life a living and financial hell. Although I would guess you could make some kind of accessory charge based on you being the one who started the who chain of events. Similar you hiring someone to "scare" someone else and they end up getting hurt/killed--you weren't the one who made the call or took the action to hurt the other person, but you set the wheels in motion.

Either way . . . all involved are pathetic dooshbags. Who the eff goes that far over a video game and a $1.50 bet. Good grief.
I think the one who set the wheels in motion here is the one who called 911 and lied, not the guy who just said crap online to another gamer
post 1539101701 12-31-2017, 09:37 AM
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Damn . . . well, latest from that incident near me is that five deputies were shot and one deputy confirmed killed. Shooter may be dead.

RIP to the officer.
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post 1539102211 12-31-2017, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted By PapaBurgandy⏩
Will do, if we make it over there...... might go to Hollywood today, wifey wants to. My oldest is driving down from San Mateo today and we’re dining at In n Out tonight.
whoo that's a long drive man. Kid in school up there?
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Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
whoo that's a long drive man. Kid in school up there?
His girlfriend’s parents live up there. They flew up last week for the holidays.
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post 1539107981 12-31-2017, 11:07 AM
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911 call + move hands/arms + haven’t yet been shot by cops = getting shot by cops
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our laws need to change so that “I saw him move his hands/arms” plus NOTHING ELSE can never constitute a reasonable belief that someone is a threat and the use of deadly force by law enforcement is justified
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Originally Posted By Rajeev762x39⏩
our laws need to change so that “I saw him move his hands/arms” plus NOTHING ELSE can never constitute a reasonable belief that someone is a threat and the use of deadly force by law enforcement is justified
Moving hands/arms towards waistband when the police are there responding to a call where someone has stated that he has just shot his father and is holding his mother and siblings hostage at the address?

The issue with "SWATting" is that the intent is to create an atmosphere wherein the response by the police to deploy a SWAT team is appropriate.
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post 1539116461 12-31-2017, 12:48 PM
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post 1539117801 12-31-2017, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Moving hands/arms towards waistband when the police are there responding to a call where someone has stated that he has just shot his father and is holding his mother and siblings hostage at the address?

The issue with "SWATting" is that the intent is to create an atmosphere wherein the response by the police to deploy a SWAT team is appropriate.
cops know that swatting is a thing, and that arriving at a wrong address happens

cops need to confirm with their own eyes that a threat exists before pulling the trigger

shoot first, ask questions later needs to stop
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Originally Posted By Rajeev762x39⏩
cops know that swatting is a thing, and that arriving at a wrong address happens

cops need to confirm with their own eyes that a threat exists before pulling the trigger

shoot first, ask questions later needs to stop
Sounds like they did confirm the address, and that it was the address that they were told, which is, again, the point of SWATting.

I think the guy should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
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post 1539121911 12-31-2017, 01:50 PM
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post 1539125491 12-31-2017, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
SLRs ION and Helix rails will work with an RPR, but I think the paper city one looks better. Going to check to see if BCM's rail works with it.
What’s wrong with the gen 2 rail?
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Sounds like they did confirm the address, and that it was the address that they were told, which is, again, the point of SWATting.

I think the guy should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
How threatening is a guy supposedly moving his hand towards his waist when you are sitting behind cover with a rifle trained at his head from across the street
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
How threatening is a guy supposedly moving his hand towards his waist when you are sitting behind cover with a rifle trained at his head from across the street
We're looking at this from the perspective of hindsight knowing that the individual was not a threat to himself or anyone else. Cop is assuming that there are multiple potential victims inside the house and at least one person has been killed inside.

I don't think that anyone thought the guy was a threat to the police.
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Originally Posted By Aaron47pb⏩
What’s wrong with the gen 2 rail?
I'd rather have it in MLOK.


EDIT: Also looks like AIDS
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post 1539128201 12-31-2017, 03:03 PM
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post 1539128521 12-31-2017, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
We're looking at this from the perspective of hindsight knowing that the individual was not a threat to himself or anyone else. Cop is assuming that there are multiple potential victims inside the house and at least one person has been killed inside.

I don't think that anyone thought the guy was a threat to the police.
Uh, no. It does not require hindsight to question the imminent threat presented by a person reaching for their waist when you are behind cover across the street with a rifle trained at their head

Shouldn't be killing people based on assumptions.

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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Uh, no. It does not require hindsight to question the imminent threat presented by a person reaching for their waist when you are behind cover across the street with a rifle trained at their head

Shouldn't be killing people based on assumptions.

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The guy was not an imminent threat to the officer. That doesn't mean that he wasn't an imminent threat to everyone in the house, which is the point. The use of the word "hostage" by the caller is important.
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post 1539129981 12-31-2017, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
The guy was not an imminent threat to the officer. That doesn't mean that he wasn't an imminent threat to everyone in the house, which is the point. The use of the word "hostage" by the caller is important.
The fact that there was no evidence of any of that present at the location is more important
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The fact that there was no evidence of any of that present at the location is more important
They didn't know what was inside the house until after they'd shot him.
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