What to do if one gets 0 matches?

Except for the intial matches I get whenever I download the app after that it's down to 0 matches after swiping right on everything for 2 weeks.

I dont have the app currently but would love to meet some women but my experience of tinder is like being in a candy shop and not getting to taste any of the sweet sweet candy

I've got my age range set from 18-30, and the majority of the girls I've met are probably 23-27 with a few outliers on either side. From Sept-Dec I'd say they were mostly 6's because that's what I was able to get. I've put up a new set of pics that I took over the Christmas break, and the quality difference is night and day. Have been matching a lot more 7's and some 8's, so I've pretty much stopped swiping on 6's. Zero flakes out of 6 dates in January so far.

You're definitely right that I could probably start to put in more work and focus more exclusively on the 7.5-8+ girls, but I'm struggling to get over my swipe/number close addiction, especially since I've been getting much more attention lately. My own value has been going up a ton recently, and I'm just starting to understand that now - it's a bit of a transition period for me. I'll work on figuring that out soon.

I live in Vancouver. I think that could definitely play a role in my low flake rate as well. This is an incredibly expensive city, but all the wealth is old money and foreign money. Most young guys have just resigned themselves to being hipster baristas and splitting a 3 bedroom basement suite for the rest of their lives. As someone who actually has ambition and a good career lined up, I'm a bit of a rarity.

Can't believe a lot of stuff on here... I'm going nowhere with these apps atm, and I'm not a "nice" guy, clueless etc, been aroung PU/gaming for years. Main issue is I meet up with these girls, they take one look at me and aren't interested. Often before I even speak as they first see me they're making excuses - can't be out too long etc. I look a lot better in photos, not frauding just good angles/light, but that's part of the game online. Can't have bad photos. Then they see me in the flesh and things are often over before they start. It's nothing I'm saying, they're happy to hang around and have a drink, but just aren't attracted. Even though it's said in PU that women will **** guys they're not attracted to, I'm not seeing that. And yes, I know how to escalate etc and have often been alone at the girls house, so good logistics.

I'm interested in what guys like spade, brb think about this? The way I see it is it's just the way I look - I'm 35 now have some lines and bad under eyes and some younger girls I've met have said I remind them of their dad. Many have mentioned I look different, older etc. This sounds like sway but is different, he was a troll with serious issues. I don't look great mainly to do with age, was fine when younger. I'm seeing younger girls and compared to the guys they hang around with I don't look great. BUT, I'm not hideous or anything, also tall and in good shape. I've met 30 girls now that have gone nowhere. Count them 1,2,3... Not fuked one of them. I haven't got time to waste on meeting and not fuking.

So I find it hard to believe pancake (short and not great looking apparently) did 28 last year. In 2016 he said every girl he met out at a bar etc went nowhere. Only dates at his or her house led to sex. Then early last year he said on here that he was struggling to even get girls to meet at a bar. But now he's done 28... Guys like scotty, brb are better looking than they think to get these results.

Openers that was I talking about with brb before. The example he gave was basically non-game game. Just chatting and dhving, very specific to his market. Girls aren't like that here at all, very low key, more into a laidback, chilled lifestyle. I'm interested what an everyday opener for normal girls is working atm. Being direct scares many off even though it isn't even that direct, and just saying "hey" chatting normally often leads nowhere or gets no answer.

My flake rate on firm plans isn't very high these days. I've done a better job of knowing when its coming, and then I may try to stack dates.


"Can't believe a lot of stuff on here... I'm going nowhere with these apps atm, and I'm not a "nice" guy, clueless etc, been aroung PU/gaming for years. Main issue is I meet up with these girls, they take one look at me and aren't interested. Often before I even speak as they first see me they're making excuses - can't be out too long etc. I look a lot better in photos, not frauding just good angles/light, but that's part of the game online. Can't have bad photos. Then they see me in the flesh and things are often over before they start. It's nothing I'm saying, they're happy to hang around and have a drink, but just aren't attracted. Even though it's said in PU that women will **** guys they're not attracted to, I'm not seeing that. And yes, I know how to escalate etc and have often been alone at the girls house, so good logistics. "

How do you know they lose interest as soon as they see you? Are you leaving dates thinking they went well and then finding out later they aren't interested, or are you just making small talk until you finish your drinks and then leaving? Do you try escalating and get rejected, or are you getting the feeling they aren't interested so you don't try?

Latinas and Brazilians aren't going to be OK with coming over to your place or you going over to theirs in the vast majority of cases. They come from a low-trust culture, it's a cultural thing.Nice. I had pretty good results Tindering in Vancouver. Hot girls and very sexually open girls.To be fair, 14 of my slays were outside of San Francisco while living in a different city or travelling. I actually did worse in San Francisco than I did last year.

A big change I made in 2017 was massively upping my date game. I have to thank BRBMakingMoney for that, he listened to recordings of several dates and gave me very good feedback. I now have my tonality mostly fixed, as well as logistics, conversation topics, and I'm working on body language as well.

You should post your photos or PM them to me, if you getting comments that you don't look as good as your photos that's a bad thing. I fraud pretty hard in my photos with almost all professional shots where I look great, and I think in motion I look pretty bad, but I still get girls saying I look the same or better in person.

Where in the UK are you? The game that works best in most cities right now is a pretty standard opener, some cheeky banter (but make sure it's flirty and vaguely sexual), and then going for the close in a few messages.

Anyway, if you are meeting these girls in person and not closing it's likely something with your in-person game, like congruency, body language, and tonality.

Interesting, I don't know much about Vancouver. I will say though that I have noticed a trend where colder cities tend to be a bit less flakier. Here you're competing not only with her smartphone and a huge selection of high value guys that definitely outnumber attractive girls, but also with the beach and every other summer/outdoor activity you can think of. I've definitely been flaked on for the beach plenty of times before, when they post a story on IG after the flake it's a bit of a dead give away.Just because what you're saying/doing isn't making them run does not mean that it's not turning them off sexually. In fact, perhaps make it your goal to either get laid or make them walk out, one or the other. I've had girls walk out of dates because I took things too far trying to see how far I could push things. Guys get put in the friend zone not because they are 'creepy', but because they are too nice/non sexual. So try going the other way, be more sexual and forward in person, it sounds like you're getting LJBF on the first date, not good, which means you are being way too 'nice guy'.Girls will definitely phuck guys they're not attracted to (although it's less common than it used to be given how efficient these apps have made the dating market). It's a case of right place, right time, also helps if she's drunk, which is why it will come about from night club meets etc. however this isn't something to strive for. You want to be the guy she's attracted to, not the guy she's phucking just because you're the guy that was there at the time that she felt like it.Unless you are frauding with your pics, then after 30 failed dates it's definitely you, you don't know how to run a proper date. How sexual are you being on dates? As a reference point my hands are typically up their skirts/dresses (on their upper leg) within 10-15 minutes of meeting, we are talking about her past sexual experiences, what she likes in bed, what she doesn't. I ask her things like if she likes being choked by guys in bed 'like this...' and I'll reach out and lightly hold her neck in a 'choking' fashion in the middle of the bar... I've gone as far as rubbing a girls pussy in the bar if it's been consensual and they've been very receptive to the escalation and have kino'd back etc. so that's within about 30-60 minutes of meeting.

You can't really go too far, a girl will stop you or move away your hands etc. if you are. However you DO need to be able to read a girl well, if she's frozen and non responsive to your kino, you need to stop. If you're really worried and can't read her, ask 'does this bother you?' when you have your hand on her leg before you've escalated the kino any further, asking is a last resort but it's better than an accusation of sexual assault. The most important thing is recognizing whether she wants these things, and escalating until you get to the point where you can tell she's just SLIGHTLY uncomfortable, then you can pull it back and escalate again when she's comfortable, then keep repeating all the way to the point when you're in the bedroom.Pancake is a very honest guy, I can vouch for him that he doesn't make up stories or knowingly try to look cooler than he is (knowingly being the key word). I 100% believe him that it was 28 girls, he would not lie about that. However, while he's not a conscious liar, I've noticed he does tend to lie to himself. What I mean is, his self awareness skills are not the greatest. He once claimed to be better than any PUA on dates (and I'm sure he actually believed that), despite never having pulled a girl from a date ever, he was just banging the girls that came straight over, as you mentioned. This has changed for him now, he can actually pull from dates, but like I said, he seems to have trouble with honestly evaluating himself.

I'm not sure what the break down on those numbers were but some of them were while travelling, so they were probably much easier than San Francisco lays, and depending on what your standards are it might have only been something like 8 girls (or less) if you have higher standards. I'm not knocking the guy at all, I think he's achieved alot and made some incredible strides, however I'm just putting things in perspective for you.

EDIT: I notice after writing this that he's commented and clarified and that he had the same thoughts on your issues as I.I don't think I've ever claimed to be ugly. I'm a good looking guy, but I'm a dime a dozen here. I live in a place which is basically the reverse of Moscow (ie. Moscow for females) and I'm the slim, cute, 7-7.5 Russian girl that has to compete against an army of Victoria's Secret models.On this, you would be incorrect. If I take my game and profile and put it anywhere else in the world, it's like fishing with dynamite... The only reason it might not work is because it's too over the top for some places, as in girls don't even think you're real or being honest because it is just so far above the lifestyles that other guys on Tinder there are representing that it seems unbelievable... Whereas here it's just above average.The opener just needs to be interesting or different in a good way. Good openers either hook, dhv or are humorous/fun. 'May I be direct?' is a hook opener, she's wondering what you want to be direct about. Another example of a hook opener is something like '<name>, I get an interesting impression from you...' It's going to spike her curiosity and she's going to ask what that impression is. You could follow it up with a cold read.

A DHV opener is a way to launch into a DHV stack 'Hey <name>, how has your week been?' is a very weak opener, but if she answers you can launch a DHV stack when she inevitably asks how your week has been back. A better example of a DHV opener is something like 'Hey <name>, I was just swiping while in a business meeting with my staff who were presenting some new ideas for the direction of my company and I have to say, matching you was the highlight of an otherwise mundane meeting. How's your week been?'. This DHV's from the opener and allows you to launch a stack.

An example of humorous fun openers are 'Does this mean we're bf and gf now?'. Personally I actually think these openers are the weakest of the three and I don't use them much. The only time I do is when there's something specific to her photos or profile I can mention which makes it a strong opener. I won't use generic ones as I don't find them that effective these days.

I suppose the fourth type of opener is just being super direct from the start and sexual, this is a good option if you have lots of matches, are perhaps just visiting a city and/or want to quickly screen for dtf girls.

All healed up and back in the game. Had #3 on the year tonight - well 4 really, but girl from Thursday was one I had slept with a few times last year, so not going to count it.

This girl was a second date - I went out with her a week ago and had a pretty good time. Brought her home after, and she wanted to smash then but I couldn't and told her next time. Went over to her place for a movie tonight. She is gorgeous and probably one of the best looking I've ever been with - solid 8 in my opinion. She is 30 though and does have a 7 year old son which was a bit strange for me. Super sweet girl and absolutely killer body - will definitely hang out with her again.

Where in NYC would be a good hotspot to spoof to? Let me try this "theory" of yours. I used to do pretty alright with 7+ uni chicks in Perth. Only swiped once before in NYC and didnt do that well there.

Have we ever seen you Spade bruv? As in, do you have a picture of yourself on a private imgur or whatnot? Pm me. Im just super curious how forward these womanz are about how hot you are

Because often the first thing they say after seeing me walk up to them is something like "btw, can't stay out long tonight, something just came up" or "just realised I had to meet my personal trainer tonight so have to go soon" I haven't even spoken yet, barely said hi and that's the first thing they say. One refused to hug me as we met and then made a lame excuse about meeting a cousin or some chit. An hour before we were talking very sexual over text, she was very horny, but seeing me went stone cold. Very uncomfortable. And yeah had many dates where it was just small talk and went nowhere as it never felt right to escalate, the vibe wasn't there. The better looking guys struggle to understand that they can do things like very fast escalation etc that less hot guys can't always do - very easy for girls to get creeped out. Hot guy? They love it... And yes many times I've escalted fast, heavy kissing etc but could tell they were uncomfortable, and still couldn't extract. I was close but really having to force these girls. Btw, I've banged a number of girls from these apps in the past just having a bad run atm. Was always hard work though. Want to improve and find the main reason for failure.Ok, seems like there's a lot more that goes on behind the scenes here, like you guys talk privately and know about each other in some detail. I didn't know that was going on. You guys could be anyone to me. A lot of made up chit online. So looks like you've made big improvements on dates and are having some success now. For me all that pua stuff like tonality and body language is all pretty good. I'm a pretty posh guy with a nice voice so thats a status thing here. Ofc fuked up on some ocassions when wasn't feeling great but most of it has been the way I look.

I'm living in a small place atm where the vibe is left wing corbyn lovers, festivals, surfing and having good mates. Money and status isn't big here. I don't fit in with these types of girls and will soon be moving. A LOT of people use these apps here for serious dating. Many people are married from it. Girls are looking for that perfect good looking cool guy to start a relationship with. I think I've lost half just here as there isn't the hook up culture of larger towns.

I may put some photos somewhere for a couple of people to look at. Certainly not on here. I'm interested to see yours, as you say you're frauding quite hard but no bad comments. I'm not frauding but look much worse in person and have had consequences from it. See below reply to brb when I get a chance.

damn these girls are savage. However you probably need to change the way you dress if you are getting these comments at 35.

Sure a few when I was below par but mainly it's about looks. These girls don't want to be friendsI'm a very detached Germanic type guy so not everyones taste. Most would freak out if I escalated too much. Done it many times and they've got uncomfortable. I read people very well. I'll describe this more below.That's mainly how I get laid. Clubs, drink, horny girls, dark rooms. Women will never be hugely attracted to me because of looks - I have to max everything else just to make things happen. But I basically suscribe to the binary view of game. You're either above or below the threshold (mainly looks) that a girl will fuk you at that particular time. If you're above threshold, handle logistics, if below then you're in trouble and game won't help much. I'm below far too often.Many have called me out for frauding that's how much better I look. Was banned 3 times over a few month period where I kept getting reported. One girl got in contact after meeting calling me a kunt for frauding. I escalate hard when the vibe is right, from kino of hands/arms to heavy kissing. I wouldn't put hands up skirts here, this isn't LA, London, NY etc. Got contacted by a friend of another I escalated to kissing saying I should be reported as she wasn't in to it. Mainly because I didn't look as good as pics. Different type of place. I will be going much more sexual and hardcore now though. The trouble is meets here like I said above aren't about hooking up, they're looking for that pretty good looking, fun guy to date. Too many have been the type of date that would work for a better looking guy, just being there having a laugh will lead onto a 2nd date and so on. No good for me. These women are entitled only want hot guys even when they're 5s.

Too often I find myself sitting opposite a girl doing small talk without much vibe with little way of amping things up without it becoming awkward. I'd be interested in a basic script of how you (and spade) run a date. The start, how and when you move to sex talk etc.Ok, interesting, as I said above, didn't realise you knew each other more than a few posts on here. Is he a 5/10 looks?Wouldn't work well here at all. Status and money have very little influence. All about being a cool, laidback type guy with a lot of friends.I use mainly the first and will pm exactly what I'm saying. I've been using a couple of openers too much now so looking to see what else is working.

Hmm yea I would think banging a girl who finds you less attractive is much harder to do over online. Meet a girl at a bar she may initially have low expectations then you impress with your game. Online if you start with initial disappointment its hard to recover.

The pic thing probably does at least play some role.

fuark , chick that slept over (and i had posted tampon ninja) last week digs me lots. going out, this time, tomorrow night. basically clearing and opening her schedule up for me this week n shiiiiiiiiiiet and pursuing me hard. fkin cutie, too, though learned she's had quite the promiscuous past, like myself, so should be interesting, wherever this may lead.

cliffs: said i had a certain technique in bed that no other guy had done




edit:

me: why are u giving the camera so much attitude in the first pic?
her: the camersa said my jeans made my ass look fat


wat 2 respond?

I will say this: I've used a single photo of just my face before and gotten very few matches. So I'd say my face is about average or slightly below average, which is why I say 5/10. I also have a shaved head which is *very* polarizing. Girls either love it or hate it but most hate it and won't consider being with a guy without hair. But to compensate for this I've doubled down on the alpha look and just go about looking menacing all the time which appeals to a certain subset of girls.

What I have going for me is a "body halo", my physique is between 1 and 2 here:


I have carefully taken photos with lighting that makes my abs and muscles pop as much as possible. So like Spade said, women forget about the face a bit when they're looking at your body.

I'm happy to take a look at your profile and will share mine with you as well if you PM me. Maybe you are missing something about your vibe that we could help with. If girls are saying things like that within seconds of meeting you on a date, something is seriously wrong. From your writing you sound like a bit of a Sigma/outsider/whatever you want to call it which isn't exactly the most attractive look for girls.

got banned again **** tinder...i literally started this account 2 days ago idk how it got banned so soon didnt even feel like i got reported much

hope this dumb kunt app hasnt gotten smarter it so fukcin annoying


its impossible to make new ********s now as well

^ lol @ asking that question on the tinder thread where people go to hook up with one another and not get into relationships like you are hoping.

'need further pics for to clarify your point'

I've banged girls from tinder who were just looking to hook up etc in the past. Having a bad run. Don't forgot I'm in a small place so a limited supply, most I'm meeting atm are looking for some kind of realtionship or would consider casual only with a hot guy. Women aren't going round massively horny here, different to men, they're in no rush to have sex until they meet a hottie. They'll meet loads of guys until that hottie pops up, which he will, as many good looking men are happy to fuk 5s. Which makes these women entitled. My agressive game would work much better up in London where I'm from or over where you are in NY. Much higer numbers as well ofc. I wouldn't be far behind you.

My hygiene is top notch and I'm into colognes and have a large collection of quality stuff. Into fashion as well so mainly look on point. I hear a lot of people think I'm gay though, which isn't great, but part of being tall, slim and well dressed. Some girls will be turned off by this.Ok, I've addressed this above, didn't realise you knew this about each other. Had no idea he had a great physique, even though read most of the posts in here. I'll look back at screens he posted, but they seemed just normal chatting, which is great if it works, but doesn't really for me. I'm naturally more blunt and agressive.I agree. You wouldn't believe the amount of chit from these girls texting on the app before meeting. Nothing personal as haven't met and they don't know me. Entitlement, trolling, time-wasting etc. About 10 have unmatched the last week or so saying not interested in hook ups, even though I never explicitly mentioned that and said things like let's just meet and see what happens etc. I'm interested in how sexual you get on text without scaring them off. You just posted one saying "bring condoms"Just very entitled as many good looking guys around with great fashion, hair, physique, game etc. My fashion is all good, the looking like their dad comments were all about my face mainy. Though I was wearing one item that made me look older even though it was a nice piece. This could've cost me a couple.BINGO! Exactly how it is. They have high expections, excited to meet this handsome guy, then the reality is a disappointment. Which makes you look worse than you actually do. As you say, hard to come back from that.

Agree with all of the above, though I think it's only half the story. BRB's advice, as pointed out, is very scientific and calculated. It most definitely works, and I've certainly used plenty of it to help my own game (along with spade's and plenty of others - too many to name you all, sorry).

To be truly effective though, I think there is definitely an art side in addition to the science. That is much harder to teach. It comes down to understanding what vibe your profile gives off, what vibe you give off and whether its congruent with your profile, what each individual girl is interested in (there definitely might be a difference between what she says she wants, and what she actually wants), how the way you act and look plays to what she wants, and all kinds of other intricacies of human interaction. Girls are individual people after all, and while you can make some generalizations, you have to pay attention to when they aren't going to work.

While this is the much harder side to teach, it is also the far more important side. Especially for guys that don't necessarily have all of the LMS advantages. The scientific side is definitely a very helpful starting point to start getting more matches, converting them to dates, scheduling your time efficiently, and effective strategies for making a date go well. Understanding the art side will make you immensely more successful.

Sometimes normal chatting works, sometimes it doesn't. Lots of different things have worked for me, it's all about calibrating to your location and the girl.

My current FWB, had "not looking for anything serious" and joke about BDSM in her profile:


Other FWB, I matched her once and ****ed up the texting, she matched me again and I frame it as her chasing me:


Summer FWB:


Defusing a number close **** test:

Who has the most matches on here? I want to see the pics you used to get the most chicks (for college aged girls 18-21).

I'm not 48, just a weird feature when joining this site.

Perth is actually the Australian city I know the least about, but it's definitely not the best nor the worst Australian city.

As for NYC, it really isn't a theory at this point, it is a fact that has been proven time and time again. NYC is, without a doubt, the easiest place in the western English speaking world for men to hook up with women. This does not take into account the QUALITY of the girls though. That in itself is hard to measure and is very subjective as to what constitutes quality, but if your aim is to hook up with as many 'loose' women as possible in the western English speaking world, NYC is miles ahead of any other city.

I literally hopped on a plane and went there just to experience it for myself.

If you want to spoof there, set your Tinder to Flatiron in Manhattan.All of us gave you advice that was conditional on the fact that you weren't frauding your pics, if you are frauding, you're frauding, and nothing will save you on dates. So forget it. Take pics that represent you in the absolute best possible light, but ensure they are STILL YOU. I regularly get told I look better than pics in person, just like pancake, if you are actually getting told that you are frauding pics, then you must have heavily photoshopped/morphed them or are using very old pics of when you were much younger etc. There's no other explanation for that.

Frankly though, you sound exactly like Sway. So I'm guessing you're another looks troll.I've made so many posts about that in these threads in the past, you may be able to dig them up through the search function. I have step by step, detailed, date reports that lead to lays that I've posted. So the information is there.I dunno Sway, I'm not really the best at rating other guys out of 10, that's more your domain.Wrong. Money and status are even more universally attractive to women than looks (please note, I didn't say more important, just that they are more universally attractive), because good looking is somewhat subjective to women (some women only want blondes, others dark guys, some black guys etc.) whereas they almost all want a man with status and money. All other things being completely equal women will always opt for the guy with more money or status. Again, I'll repeat, 'ALL OTHER THINGS BEING COMPLETELY EQUAL', just so you don't misinterpret that.

Anyway, this comment just shows how little you know about women... 50 shades was the best selling romance novel of all time, and Christian was a super rich, super high status guy with no friends who was the total opposite of laidback.

Guarantee you I could spoof my profile to wherever you are, use my same DHV style game, and have dates lined up with cute women within days.What the guy straight after your post and spade said... Also if you met me in person and we went on a date you'd think I was one of the nicest, most charming men you'd ever met who you connected with on a level you didn't think was possible on a first date and who understands you like no guy ever has in the past, at least that quickly. You'd also probably think I was really funny, although you wouldn't get to see my true humor until we'd both opened up to each other emotionally after the 2nd or 3rd date, and definitely after we've had sex at least once or twice.

On the first date you'd be giggling, but that would be less because I was being funny and more because my hands are running up under your skirt, and you feel like I'm staring into your soul as I tell you how I like to take control in the bedroom in a slow, deep, sexy tone, and you're getting more than a little turned on and flustered by the thought.

I promise you, if you've been with more than a handful of guys, then you've been with a guy who was at least partially as calculated as I, and you didn't even realize it.Absolutely, and that's been talked about in many posts in the past, by myself and others, but we're talking about information that could fill an entire book of course. Whereas we have to try and answer questions in a few paragraphs, and sometimes it's even hard to compress an answer down to that. So I'd say it's less than half the story, perhaps 1/100th of the story, if that.Pointless question.
- Guy A is an average white guy in Manila with a profile that took him 60 seconds to throw together and swipes right to everything, he has 4000 matches in 2 weeks.
- Guy B Is a wealthy, educated, male model looking guy and lives in Washington DC. He's optimized his profile over the time span of months, split testing every professionally taken photo and swipes right to only the most gorgeous women he can find (9+'s). He has 100 matches in a month.

So what does knowing the number of matches prove?

getting ****in annoyed with this sht
get no matches and bored because nobody to talk to so I keep deleting my account to redo my boost.
Get like 8 matches from the boost last night which is really high for me for me.
1 instantly unmatches (god knows why) didnt even sent a message
1 girl is a girl I matched with about 2 weeks ago and sent a message and she instantly unmatched. Then for some reason, she rematches me last night. I send her a message again. Instant unmatch (??????????????????????????)
1 girl is too far, too ugly anyways. 1 girl is too fat/ too far

which leaves me with 4 girls. All of which are average/just below average real life standards.
Sent them all a message overnight.
none of responded yet..
Wtf is this sht?
Is tinder creating fake accounts to auto match with boost/gold users to give them hope and keep making them rebuy it?

get professional help

with?

First hbb I superliked this year. Need help opening with her. Obviously I don't wanna be a straight up kunt so give me some advice to actually date then smash her

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