I actually like this answer.

cope.

deciding to not have kids, grow old, then die a miserable lonely broke life is not only sad, but pathetic.

people do'nt respect pathetic guys. Most of them are ugly creepy awkward losers anyways. Why women don't want them.

huge if true

I'm not even remotely "average" but checked out a long time ago. LMAO at trying to convince someone of anything. beta af. Rather MISC all day and fap, ded srs

The AVERAGE woman now is approximately 5 feet 4 inches and 170lb. Meaning, HALF the women are fatter than THAT. Also, half the dating pool of women looking for a relationship already have a damn kid and baby daddy (that number skyrockets after age 30)... they hurt themselves. The dating pool has gone to ****, it's a huge financial risk, and just not worth it for many people. The liberals love this because it creates more dependency on government, so expect it to keep falling. Now women can get laid with a few swipes of their smartphone, so their desire to not be obese/fat goes out the window.. men stay in shape in part to be attractive to the opposite sex.. Women don't need that unless going for Chads.

I'd have to say success is what makes me happier now and in the long run. Smart women do this and avoid men all together. So it doesn't really matter to me whether I find someone, although it'd be nice to share success together.

I don't think I'm to that point yet where I'll avoid all women, because I'll talk to women, but they are definitely getting desperate. I get approached all the time by random girls, but as soon as I find out they are slutty I just ignore them. Don't give random D to women. Have some self respect.

I feel like giving up on dating/girls. But it's because I don't have any game and I don't know how to talk to girls. There's this marijuana dispensary I regularly go to in California and they have this smoking bar where you can smoke and chill. There's this new girl that works there that I think is really attractive but I don't know how to spit game at her. All I did was make boring ass small talk and I could barely do that because I didn't know what to say or what to talk about. My mind was completely blank. I don't know how guys can just go up to girls and start flirting and teasing her and always knowing what to say. Maybe I'm just retarded I don't know. But I never know what to say to girls that I barely meet or see out in public.

Hilarious. That’s less than 5 percent of the population in the US

This describes me almost to a T. No slouch but lots of disappointments along the way. Never even considered getting married, everything was just an extended trial run. I’m only 25 but I am lacking a career so it’s time to get on that now so I can enjoy start to really enjoy other aspects of life and build some wealth within the next ten years.

Lol that’s not the case

Right? That’s not even close to avg

everybody wanna fuk but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy ass feels

Yeah so it’s not their fault. It’s only the ugly part that makes them creepy and awkward.

People get perceived as awkward and creepy when they're actually being awkward and creepy. Awkward and creepy also aren't the same thing. Plenty of awkward guys only come across as shy and harmless. Creepy is a whole other thing.

try not being average then

How is it possible they don't look at you? You are like a solid 7/10 srs.

But i know all of these feels. It's weird when you are bigger or better looking than most guys yet you see them all with women lol. Been this way all of my life and all women think i'm weird and shy.

It's amazing this conversation is happening across the West.

Lift, get to a low body fat, pick up some hobbies. Congrats, you’re now a 7/10 and you should be able to get attractive women. No excuses

sucks to suck

I've given up. I've come to accept that it is just nature minimizing some sort of potential energy curve that changes due to changes in the environment. In an abstract sense, we all represent potential solutions to the evolutionary problem of survival and reproduction. Some of us are more efficient at these tasks and will end up surviving to reproduce. The next generation will inherit some of these traits. In doing so, the system will proceed in response to the environment to produce solutions that are better at survival and reproduction. Those of us who were bad solutions will be culled from the pool. That is all life is. That's all we are. A bullet to the head, brains on the floor, raindrops falling to the ground, tide goes in, tide comes out, and at the end of it all, a giant rock just goes around the sun one more fuking time. We are just transients, and life is just a far-from equilibrium phenomenon that will run its course. Eventually, everything will be destroyed, and this will all have been ultimately pointless. We fear our fates, but we do not lament the deaths of the plants or animals that we consume, nor do we feel sorrow for the bacteria that must be destroyed so we may live. Life is a giant competition. Nature is brutal and cruel, and it only rewards the strong and crushes the weak and inferior. We are all just methods of replication, and all of our human accomplishments, like art, science, engineering, etc are just a means to that end. Every feeling and emotion is for the same purpose. We are just soulless biological automatons in the void. When a fly fails to find a mate, and drops dead to the ground, nobody cares. It was a bad solution. So was Timothy. Do not cry for him. There will be many more like him. There is nothing special or sacred about human life. Genetically inferior solutions will be purged from the pool.

Nihilist much?

Nah. If you are good looking it’s almost impossible to get labelled awkward or creepy, at least by women. If you are ugly, you automatically are both.

Real creepy does exist. But it’s not the creepy that gets thrown around on here. Real creepy is ext rare.

That’s BS. You can’t lift yourself taller or to have more hair. You can’t be a 7/10 with horrible genetics, no matter how jacked/lean you get or how many cool hobbies you have.

Im pretty sure I've seen short, bald guys in the real world with girls in real life

If someone’s a legit 4/10 guy, what makes them entitled to a 7+/10?

It doesn’t.

There was a famous experiment done in the 60's with mice and the effects of population density on the social structure and behaviors of the mice. Basically once they became overpopulated all kinds of weird things happened in their "society". The females stopped breeding but the males spent their time shining their coats trying to look their best all for nothing. They were dubbed "the beautiful ones". The researchers drew parallels to what could happen to human society given the same conditions. There are videos on youtube about it. Google "the beautiful ones mice" if you're interested.

It was here that his most famous experiment, the mouse universe, was created.[1] In July 1968 four pairs of mice were introduced into the habitat. The habitat was a 9-foot (2.7 m) square metal pen with 4.5-foot-high (1.4 m) sides. Each side had four groups of four vertical, wire mesh "tunnels." The "tunnels" gave access to nesting boxes, food hoppers, and water dispensers. There was no shortage of food or water or nesting material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space.

Initially, the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly, doubling only every 145 days. The last surviving birth was on day 600, bringing the total population to a mere 2200 mice, even though the experiment setup allowed for as many as 3840 mice in terms of nesting space. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against.[2]

After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed "the beautiful ones." Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.

The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

Calhoun saw the fate of the population of mice as a metaphor for the potential fate of man. He characterized the social breakdown as a "second death," with reference to the "second death" mentioned in the Biblical book of Revelation 2:11.[1] His study has been cited by writers such as Bill Perkins as a warning of the dangers of the living in an "increasingly crowded and impersonal world."[3]

Sad as fuk itt, this brew can't be real stew.

Put on some decent clothes. Take care of your body. Go out with a group. Have fun, put out good energy, chat up chicks to get them talking about themselves, toss in your own applicable hobbies, smile and profit.

This thread just lets me know that a good chunk of you are out of touch with reality. Your personal experience doesn't always equal the majority

I absolutely hate socializing though. Nobody likes talking to me and people think i'm off because i'm so quiet.

Some people don't find going out in groups fun

threads like these make me so happy i'm gay