Thread: The Stock Market
02-05-2018, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Streetbull⏩
Not at all. You could buy puts and balance your portfolio to lock it in at current prices for a while.Parabolic rise in price never ends well. Look for about a 48% drop over the next year or so.
Gold stocks are really the only play here, other than going to cash.
Gold stocks are really the only play here, other than going to cash.
Might miss out on returns, but there are other plays.
02-05-2018, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
It's almost like big players cause these things for their own benefit.
Originally Posted By seven11⏩
Put on your tinfoil boyos.Da Fug is going on? They're saying it's because of the salary increase and good Jan job numbers.
Are there any good sources to read on this other than Yahoo!'s finance?
Are there any good sources to read on this other than Yahoo!'s finance?
Q Anon said it was a warning (from the deep state/elite) to DJT who released the memo that day. Pretty convenient that it dropped 666. Deep state is warning him not to sink them. Lots of odd things happening, like the rothchilds had to sell austrian property larger than manhatten just now... Why though, they are trillionaires ... Unless their funds have been frozen by Trump because of his latest EO, and they needed some quick cash so they had a firesale...

Who knows though, thats just what Q said.
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Yeah could be the correction. I wonder how many market experts were completely thrown for a loop about it/don't know what to say about it? (I don't have time for market research I'm busy with other things right now)
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02-05-2018, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Streetbull⏩
^^^^ This. His ego got the better of him.Trump warned about this bubble, hoping it popped before he took charge. He shouldn’t have claimed credit for the rise since his election because now he gets blamed for the pop.
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02-05-2018, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By N0rds⏩
I had read that too. Interesting theory.Put on your tinfoil boyos.
Q Anon said it was a warning (from the deep state/elite) to DJT who released the memo that day. Pretty convenient that it dropped 666. Deep state is warning him not to sink them. Lots of odd things happening, like the rothchilds had to sell austrian property larger than manhatten just now... Why though, they are trillionaires ... Unless their funds have been frozen by Trump because of his latest EO, and they needed some quick cash so they had a firesale...

Who knows though, thats just what Q said.
/tinfoil
Yeah could be the correction. I wonder how many market experts were completely thrown for a loop about it/don't know what to say about it? (I don't have time for market research I'm busy with other things right now)
Q Anon said it was a warning (from the deep state/elite) to DJT who released the memo that day. Pretty convenient that it dropped 666. Deep state is warning him not to sink them. Lots of odd things happening, like the rothchilds had to sell austrian property larger than manhatten just now... Why though, they are trillionaires ... Unless their funds have been frozen by Trump because of his latest EO, and they needed some quick cash so they had a firesale...

Who knows though, thats just what Q said.
/tinfoil
Yeah could be the correction. I wonder how many market experts were completely thrown for a loop about it/don't know what to say about it? (I don't have time for market research I'm busy with other things right now)
02-05-2018, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
mirin adviceFor the kids ITT wondering “wut do?”
I’ll pretty much sill stick with my 2013 post
Now I’d add if you have an employer matching 401(k) contributions do that first
If you aren’t market savvy stick with index fund etf’s
For the ira I’d go with above or a targeted retirement fund such as vanguard’s
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual...-retirement/#/
As far as timing goes stick with dollar cost averaging and disregard these swings.
Also never mix political beliefs with investing.
I’ll pretty much sill stick with my 2013 post
Now I’d add if you have an employer matching 401(k) contributions do that first
If you aren’t market savvy stick with index fund etf’s
For the ira I’d go with above or a targeted retirement fund such as vanguard’s
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual...-retirement/#/
As far as timing goes stick with dollar cost averaging and disregard these swings.
Also never mix political beliefs with investing.
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02-05-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Torn on this.^^^^ This. His ego got the better of him.
He was going to get blamed regardless. Rogue was blaming him for it before he even took office...
If you are going to take hit regardless isn't should you take the undo credit as well to balance it out?
02-05-2018, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
I think 35% is too high. The tax cut news alone would have boosted the baseline from Obummer 10%. I'll say if the full correction comes, we get no lower than 19k. Although testing 22k and then 20k will be downright scary. Particularly for an old bro like me who has a decent amount of money in the market but doesn't have the investing chops to do much else other than dollar cost average.He watches P/E ratios. Corrections usually come with over corrections.
I would expect 35%, but who knows for sure.
I would expect 35%, but who knows for sure.
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02-05-2018, 02:30 PM
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The Philadelphia Eagles are responsible for this
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02-05-2018, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Dave Ramsey listener detected. I like him too. Best thing that ever happened to my financial life was discovering him about 15 years ago.For the kids ITT wondering “wut do?”
I’ll pretty much sill stick with my 2013 post
Now I’d add if you have an employer matching 401(k) contributions do that first
If you aren’t market savvy stick with index fund etf’s
For the ira I’d go with above or a targeted retirement fund such as vanguard’s
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual...-retirement/#/
As far as timing goes stick with dollar cost averaging and disregard these swings.
Also never mix political beliefs with investing.
I’ll pretty much sill stick with my 2013 post
Now I’d add if you have an employer matching 401(k) contributions do that first
If you aren’t market savvy stick with index fund etf’s
For the ira I’d go with above or a targeted retirement fund such as vanguard’s
https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual...-retirement/#/
As far as timing goes stick with dollar cost averaging and disregard these swings.
Also never mix political beliefs with investing.
Even if you are market savvy, an index fund and targeted retirement funds offer very low fees and over the long term, index funds outperform something like 80% of the actively managed funds (if memory serves).
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02-05-2018, 02:34 PM
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Trump's fault.
And Russians'.
And republicans'
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If tomorrow market goes to a new all time high again it will be because of Obama. Got it? This is how it works: anything bad happens = Trump's fault. Anything good happens = Obama's doing, Trump had nothing to do with it.
And Russians'.
And republicans'
p.s.
If tomorrow market goes to a new all time high again it will be because of Obama. Got it? This is how it works: anything bad happens = Trump's fault. Anything good happens = Obama's doing, Trump had nothing to do with it.
02-05-2018, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
.Well no, but I think people are bringing Trump into this because he publicly claimed the stock market was the way it is because of him. So natural people are good by to use this against him.Trump's fault.
And Russians'.
And republicans'
p.s.
If tomorrow market goes to a new all time high again it will be because of Obama. Got it? This is how it works: anything bad happens = Trump's fault. Anything good happens = Obama's doing, Trump had nothing to do with it.
And Russians'.
And republicans'
p.s.
If tomorrow market goes to a new all time high again it will be because of Obama. Got it? This is how it works: anything bad happens = Trump's fault. Anything good happens = Obama's doing, Trump had nothing to do with it.
Just like with the job numbers, golfing, and gov shut down
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02-05-2018, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
I'm just reading about the latest Q drops on twitter now:I had read that too. Interesting theory.
Yeah there is a lot of chit going on, but the rothchilds selling their prized real estate (and possibly for quite cheap) because Trump locked up their funds says a lot. I haven't read yup about Soros liquidating yet, but if he is they must be scrambling.
Maybe trump will pay for the wall with the funds from evil people like them. And maybe give every american a slice of the recovered funds... THAT would be the best gift ever and get trump 3 more terms (2 as VP or something). This sentence is purelyMY speculation and hope
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
I think 35% is too high. The tax cut news alone would have boosted the baseline from Obummer 10%. I'll say if the full correction comes, we get no lower than 19k. Although testing 22k and then 20k will be downright scary.
Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
It is hard to say.... I am big into Price to Earnings Ratio as well.Would that be 35.0%?
Average is about 15 and it was at 26...
So technically that would be a 43% correction. -> But there are more factors.
The tax cut should increase Earnings... If that is the case the ratios would drop through that.
However, I don't think 15 is a true mean anymore, due to the change in how retirement is funded. I also think due to the negative risk free rate of return we have had in the recent 2 decades... that has also adjusted the desired P/E ratios of the market.
02-05-2018, 02:40 PM
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Ugly day. Hope sellers get it out of their system soon. I imagine computer trading played a roll in the fast downturn this afternoon. I don't know enough about stock trading, but I'm going with the main theory that fears of interest rates going up and a new Fed chief have some traders concerned.
02-05-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
I work in the insurance business and can still tell you that buying life insurance before having an emergency fund is retarded. What happens when you lose your job, have no emergency fun, then can't pay the life ins? You'll have to start all over from scratch.I'm going to make this list based on the assumption you will get kids and a wife at some point
FIRST OF ALL- PLAN YOUR MONTHLY BUDGET, AND LIVE BY IT(20% LESS THAN YOUR BRING HOME MONTHLY INCOME)
Then follow these steps, do not proceed to the next step until the previous step is complete
1. Acquire life insurance- 20 yrs or longer term(not the whole life crap) you want it to last long enough until your youngest is 18, so if you don't have kids yet, maybe get a 30yr term now. You want to get it while your younger and health
2. Acquire long term disability insurance. This one is debateable, I personally would get it.
3. Save an emergency fund- enough liquidity for you go go 6 months without working if something happens
4. eliminate all debt(except in some cases home mortgage)- math will tell you some debt is ok, whatever- buy it or do without
5. start a roth IRA or regular IRA depending on what you qualify for. If you qualify for a Roth, do it, once you make enough money, you will no longer qualify for it. Save 15% towards retirement
6. If you are living by above budget(20% less than monthly bring home) you should start acquiring excess money monthly to either buy a house with, or invest more aggressively. This is also the money you can start your own buisness with.
Since you are still single, you have the opportunity to be smart about your pick for a sqouse. You can find someone you love of coarse, but there are plenty to choose from that are also financially conservative, and make money. Get their credit report before you get serious. I know love is love, but there are millions to choose from that keep their money in order..
FIRST OF ALL- PLAN YOUR MONTHLY BUDGET, AND LIVE BY IT(20% LESS THAN YOUR BRING HOME MONTHLY INCOME)
Then follow these steps, do not proceed to the next step until the previous step is complete
1. Acquire life insurance- 20 yrs or longer term(not the whole life crap) you want it to last long enough until your youngest is 18, so if you don't have kids yet, maybe get a 30yr term now. You want to get it while your younger and health
2. Acquire long term disability insurance. This one is debateable, I personally would get it.
3. Save an emergency fund- enough liquidity for you go go 6 months without working if something happens
4. eliminate all debt(except in some cases home mortgage)- math will tell you some debt is ok, whatever- buy it or do without
5. start a roth IRA or regular IRA depending on what you qualify for. If you qualify for a Roth, do it, once you make enough money, you will no longer qualify for it. Save 15% towards retirement
6. If you are living by above budget(20% less than monthly bring home) you should start acquiring excess money monthly to either buy a house with, or invest more aggressively. This is also the money you can start your own buisness with.
Since you are still single, you have the opportunity to be smart about your pick for a sqouse. You can find someone you love of coarse, but there are plenty to choose from that are also financially conservative, and make money. Get their credit report before you get serious. I know love is love, but there are millions to choose from that keep their money in order..
Also, why TF would someone in their 20's be worried about "locking in rates" on term insurance? A 250k term policy for a 25 year old and a 35yr old are marginally different at best.
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Originally Posted By |ceman⏩
Yep his debt philosophy is a dead give away.Dave Ramsey listener detected. I like him too. Best thing that ever happened to my financial life was discovering him about 15 years ago.
Even if you are market savvy, an index fund and targeted retirement funds offer very low fees and over the long term, index funds outperform something like 80% of the actively managed funds (if memory serves).
Even if you are market savvy, an index fund and targeted retirement funds offer very low fees and over the long term, index funds outperform something like 80% of the actively managed funds (if memory serves).
To me Dave Ramsey is like Alcoholics Anonymous. Great if you are a fuk up. It wont ever ruin you.
But you are missing out of returns by listening to it.
He says it him self. He teaches based on behavior not math. If you can do the math there are better methods. Which is why virtually all of the most successful companies are carrying debt.
02-05-2018, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By seven11⏩
Im pretty ignorant about these things, we use a family friend for our investments and he's been really good over the years. i'm going to talk to him tonight but I'm curious as to why people getting paid more, good job numbers is bad for us. I would have thought people earning more and likely spending more would be good for the economy?Da Fug is going on? They're saying it's because of the salary increase and good Jan job numbers.
Are there any good sources to read on this other than Yahoo!'s finance?
Are there any good sources to read on this other than Yahoo!'s finance?
Obviously not.....
02-05-2018, 02:53 PM
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I’m a boglehead myself when it comes to investing. Grate website and forum for those interested. Jack bogle is the founder of vanguard for those unaware.
Dave Ramsey is great for the masses for getting out of debt. His investing advice is a little suspect, but still worthwhile for those starting out.
Dave Ramsey is great for the masses for getting out of debt. His investing advice is a little suspect, but still worthwhile for those starting out.
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Originally Posted By |ceman⏩
I’ve read a few of his books amongst many other personal finance books.Dave Ramsey listener detected. I like him too. Best thing that ever happened to my financial life was discovering him about 15 years ago.
Even if you are market savvy, an index fund and targeted retirement funds offer very low fees and over the long term, index funds outperform something like 80% of the actively managed funds (if memory serves).
Even if you are market savvy, an index fund and targeted retirement funds offer very low fees and over the long term, index funds outperform something like 80% of the actively managed funds (if memory serves).
Listened to him a few times.
I don’t fully subscribe to his approach, and actually disagree with certain aspects, however that being said I think for a majority of people on this forum and people struggling with personal finances his approach is great advice.
I often give any managers I have struggling with personal finances one of his books, along with some of my new younger managers that are up-and-coming.
For certain people I thing Ramsay’s approach is too restraining for greatness.
Of the radio talking heads I used to like Mike Kavanagh(RIP) allot.
02-05-2018, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
yeah Ramsay is Personal Finance for Dummies.I’ve read a few of his books amongst many other personal finance books.
Listened to him a few times.
I don’t fully subscribe to his approach, and actually disagree with certain aspects, however that being said I think for a majority of people on this forum and people struggling with personal finances his approach is great advice.
I often give any managers I have struggling with personal finances one of his books, along with some of my new younger managers that are up-and-coming.
For certain people I thing Ramsay’s approach is too restraining for greatness.
Of the radio talking heads I used to like Mike Kavanagh(RIP) allot.
Listened to him a few times.
I don’t fully subscribe to his approach, and actually disagree with certain aspects, however that being said I think for a majority of people on this forum and people struggling with personal finances his approach is great advice.
I often give any managers I have struggling with personal finances one of his books, along with some of my new younger managers that are up-and-coming.
For certain people I thing Ramsay’s approach is too restraining for greatness.
Of the radio talking heads I used to like Mike Kavanagh(RIP) allot.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
Wouldn't be so bad if his listeners realized that it was personal finance for Dummies.yeah Ramsay is Personal Finance for Dummies.
Instead most seem to take it as the bible and try to thump you ever the head with it.
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Originally Posted By N0rds⏩
better chance that advanced aliens arrive and give us cold fusion technology. lol. you're such a CTtard.Maybe trump will pay for the wall with the funds from evil people like them. And maybe give every american a slice of the recovered funds... THAT would be the best gift ever and get trump 3 more terms (2 as VP or something). This sentence is purelyMY speculation and hope
Originally Posted By scheal⏩
because if the economy overheats, the Fed steps in and raises interest rates to stop runaway inflation.Im pretty ignorant about these things, we use a family friend for our investments and he's been really good over the years. i'm going to talk to him tonight but I'm curious as to why people getting paid more, good job numbers is bad for us. I would have thought people earning more and likely spending more would be good for the economy?
Obviously not.....
Obviously not.....
this is why the trump claims of a 4-6% GDP is and always was unrealistic. the increasing interest rates will work to slow down the economy. the Fed likes to see GDP closer to the 2-3% range
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Just a market correction boys. This is your buying opportunity if you've been looking to get into the market. If your already in, just sit tight and go about your day. This correction is long overdue, the last correction was Feb 2016. We went close to 24 months without a market correction. This bull market cycle isn't over yet.
Just Remember: Bulls make money, Bears make money, and Hogs get slaughtered.
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02-05-2018, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Most of his target audience is religious groups. That should tell you something.Wouldn't be so bad if his listeners realized that it was personal finance for Dummies.
Instead most seem to take it as the bible and try to thump you ever the head with it.
Instead most seem to take it as the bible and try to thump you ever the head with it.
I like Dave a lot though. His baby steps plan is excellent for people saddled with debt. I agree with everyone else ITT though. His investing and debt leveraging is a bit too cautious.
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