Problem with feminism is that women roles changed while men’s did not. Men are still expected to make more money and provide resources to women. In the past that was all that was needed to be a man and get a woman. Now that women have the ability to make it great on there own and have been sexually liberated they look for both a provider and a lover (attractive hawt guy). So to get a decent women you have to be very successful and good looking. This is why we have so many cucks footing the bill for some woman who pretends to be interested in him. Brb women can cheat in marriage and still get half a guys things. Women’s get all the benefits of equality while also holding on to the traditional roles placed on men, while not following any of women traditional roles (loyalty, cooking, cleaning).

We need to abolish the legal aspects of marriage, just make it a traditional ceremony with vows and everything and completely leave the law out of it. How many women would marry then?

Men have to do everything, literally. And as you get older it's not even worth it. Let them come to you

Everybody is losing. We've lost our imperative to raise a family. That used to be what life was about.

Yeah, it’s hard to see the point to it. Marriage is too risky, kids are too costly, women are to ez to get in bed. Only benefit of marriage if you happen to find a unicorn is having kids around as you get older. Other than that it’s far to risky for an avg guy.

Yeah, it’s bs, raw deal. Some (very few) find a unicorn raised with old fashioned values where women actuallly contribute something to a relationship and luck out.

Where as most women these days think that having a vag and their mere presence is worth CEO, hawt guy that worships them.

What gets me is they don't ever have to do anything, they just sit back and get whatever they want eventually. At least most decent looking women do. They don't initiate or anything. It's impossible to tell if they are interested or just looking at you as eye candy too. Some will just go on a date with you and make you do all the work because they are very boring or looking for something very specific and the date fails. It's just so complicated because a lot of them don't even try.

I’ve always been able to pull off the GF thing. Couple times a year I’ll get an opportunity if I’m single, now that I’m out of college. But it is somewhat difficult. I’ve never in my life had 3 or 4 women lined up trying to get at me, blowing up my phone etc. and I am the stereotypical over 6’ 200 lb white guy with good hair that everyone on here says should have it easy.

It’s doable, but it’s not a cake walk. I get IOIs when I’m out in public. But I’ve struck out on many that I thought were in the bag.

Women today simply have so many options at their fingertips that the iPhone screen becomes their reality, and they don’t even consider what is standing right in front of them most of the time.

I’m not bitter about it at all like some dudes on here are. I just view it as a challenge.

If only the top 10-20% of men get girls, how do you explain the fact that, when I was in shape, I got 70% of the matches I swiped right on (was using Hot or Not)?

I was, at best, in the top 30% of men. Maybe top 40%, and I wasn’t a Chad. I’m 5’8”, hairline is chit (though I still have my hair), and I’ve never had a gf.

But girls would message me for sex almost every week and I was probably a 7/10 when I was in shape. Tops. I’d say naturally I’m a 6. But every week, I’d have at least one who wanted sex.

Granted, many of the girls I matched with wouldn’t talk to me if I tried to talk to them, but quite a few would. And again, always had option for sex. And I’m a 6 or a 7.

You guys might say that I am actually above a 6 or 7, or that I’m lying about how many girls I matched with, but I’m not.

One girl even wanted to worship my freakin’ feet. I didn’t even think girls liked feet, thought that was a phenomenon specific to men.

Anyway, I know it’s hard to be below average or average, because I’m currently overweight, but I think that girls are attainable when you lift/if you’re ambitious enough. Maybe not for everyone, but I know that it’s possible for me because I’ve already done it.

I’ll end this by saying that I didn’t do well on Bumble however, and a lot of the girls on there were 7+, so it’s more understandable, although I matched with many 6-8’s on Hot or Not.

Idk. How do you guys explain what I experienced roughly 2 years ago? I had matches, dates, sex available. Swear to god I can’t even touch 8/10.

My age is 24, not 48.

Btw, I completely approve of this thread. As I said, I’m overweight and women, at the moment, are impossible. Nobody wants anything to do with me (have lost 12lbs and am exercising and dieting every day if you wanted to know). I completely resonate with all of what you guys are saying about women being too picky, etc., but that’s not how it was for me as a 7/10 lifter.

You had a good face and a good body. If you are getting tons of matches you are not "average"

I had a good body, mediocre face, and personality that isn't typically expected of black men (maybe in some other city or state that may not have been the case). I 100% believe this has been ****ing me over

I know I had a decent face and an above average body, but I don’t think I’d say I was in the top 20% however.

Sorry that you’ve had problems because you’re black. I can see that potentially being an issue for some girls because of racism, but I would think you’d still have options for regular sex.

if this is true you were in a top tier of men.

A guy matching 70% plus is very very good

I swear on my life. 70% and YES, I know I was good-looking, but TOP-TIER? No, I wasn’t.

lol, " yea I was hot but not THAT hot."

The point is you were up there. the average and below average dudes are getting basically nothing

Dude, I’m fat right now. I know lol. It’s brutal down here.

Race and subculture adherence matters in dating. Most of the girls I've smanged have been white however only the worst looking ones have wanted to date. Magically black women have been cold and indifferent. It simply boils down to the white girls that look are ok are worried about keeping up appearances. Ad then the black women are usually put off by my demeanor, beliefs, and mannerisms.

inb4 "you are just making excuses", but this is on the only explanation for my odd situation (being able to get lays, but seemingly impossible to lock a girl down)

yeh you're getting trolled, no one gets 70% match rate on tinder and thinks they're average lmao. 70% match rate is probably like top 0.001% of men.

Were you swiping 2s and 3s? Because if you were swiping only 6+ girls, or even 5+, 70% is easily top 1% of all guys.

So it's a problem that women today don't have to marry you in order to basically not starve and become homeless? This **** just keeps getting better. Almost as pathetic as the guys complaining about how women are more picky and have fewer sex partners today than earlier generations, partly because they have become more confident at saying NO.

True for white and Hispanic men too. For some they will have a FWB with black chicks, but won't date.

Such is life for Carlton.

Jk brah, that sucks, assuming you are not hood enough for the hood rats. Time to move to Wisconsin.

my problem is with chicks these days is just how shallow they are personally

I don't even care about them being hoes or sloots, although don't get me wrong I certainly wouldn't LTR any of "those" chicks

my main issue with them these days is their f*cking EGOS, even a 2/10 thinks brad pitt is waiting around the corner and he better be dressed and ready or else..

You're misreading the findings. It's not that women are better at saying no. They just have the means to only say yes to a small group of men, leaving more men behind and out of the game.

In other generations where being a slut was less openly acceptable and women needed to marry early, they settled for the men that would settle for them. In 2018 this doesn't happen until the woman is desperate in her 30s and used up.

There's nothing inherently wrong with this , but it's what's happening and the left out men obviously aren't just ay ok with it

I swiped right on everyone.

Most were ugly girls, but many were pretty. Like 60% unattractive and 40% attractive. That’s just an estimation.

But I would get offers for sex from 6+’s.

Personally I don't care about the ego's of whales / fat slobs. I want nothing to do with them. I block them on those rare occasions they initiate/dangle a carrot to me on a dating site. Yes the increase in fat women has now made what used to be average in the 1990's (slim 5/10 women) as "very attractive" in 2018. It shouldn't be this way but it is. It's like a natural disaster like a flood - you have to adapt to the aftermath.

The ego's of the average, slim / non-fat girls are what's causing all if not most of the problems in the dating game today. I was entering puberty in the late 1980's/early 90's and it was fairly easy to get an average-looking, slim 5/10 chick in early-middle 90's. And I was freaking short/stunted for my age...looked 2-3 years below my actual age. The average chicks back then were more humble and easy to approach, they didn't overvalue themselves. There were a few that did, but for the large part dating was way easier back then.

Now your typical garden-variety slim 5/10 girl thinks she's entitled to only the best looking men around. Her attitude towards men on her level is vapid, rude, nasty. They are addicted to their smartphones 24/7. They have this hive-mind with other women, like they are incapable of independent thought. They lack introspection of their sh**y behaviour towards men, its always 'justified' in her mind, only backed up by her friends and whiteknights agreeing with her. They are like a child in a woman's body.

It seriously is not worth it today having to go through a multitude of rejections from plain janes, ship tests, jump through hoops, even false allegations made against you etc. Women don't like to be seen or treated as sex objects (pump & dump) but that's what they've relegated themselves to be.

Oh well man. It's out of my control, gone are the days of worrying about things I can't change. They can do whatever they want.