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post 1543319951 02-09-2018, 02:13 PM
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why does it seem like most religious threads on here end up arguing about morals? Moralsdon't exhaustreligion, they are just a necessary beginning on the spiritual path.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Ignored because it's jibberish. Come back with something meaningful and sensical and maybe we can talk.
so you agree it would be hard to express gods love to someone that's never had a relationship with God?
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post 1543320121 02-09-2018, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
I can't answer this given that I don't believe in an all loving god.
are you like me and had a hard childhood that made you think a loving God wouldn't do this to us?
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post 1543320161 02-09-2018, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
so you agree it would be hard to express gods love to someone that's never had a relationship with God?
Already answered your question, look back a couple of posts
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
No, that would make it amazing
Nature=Creator=God?
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post 1543320281 02-09-2018, 02:17 PM
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When Moses talked to God Moses was like hey what should I call you and God replied call me (I am who I am)

And remember the bible also says God is everything and everyone, like someone already translated to "nature"
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post 1543320291 02-09-2018, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Most religious believe going to their church and being seen is enough
Some believe in evangelicalism ...I personally find that disrespectful

You act as though atheists grow up in a vacuum that there is no understanding of religious tenets nor morality ..that there are no philosophers or science or literary greats ..that there aren’t abundant sources to learn what it means to be human

It is not lacking to be guided by your own moral centre.
Great so you get a lot of your morals from religion. You just avoid the God part and the parts that require things from you (ie commandments).
post 1543320301 02-09-2018, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
I don’t see how that answers the question.. what does living as a good person mean?
How do you benefit the people in your life, in your community?
That's a very open ended question and the reply would be exceedingly long so I just left it at that. I can't copy and paste my "good person" history into this post.
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post 1543320571 02-09-2018, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
When I joined the army I joined as an Athiest when I joined the navy a few years after that I joined as a born again believer in God
So wait you were in the Navy and believe the earth is flat?
post 1543320601 02-09-2018, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Weren't Christians in the bible instructed, on numerous occasions, to kill people?
Deuteronomy 20:16-18 New International Version (NIV)
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

People accuse the Quran of establishing general principles of violence towards certain groups, whereas the Bible uses allegory or requires context. I'm not particularly sure about the Quran (haven't read it). Many instances of violence in the Bible to seem to be set in war, which means context is needed. As opposed to an explicit law to murder blasphemers, for example.

If such directives exist in the Bible, plz quote the passage.
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post 1543320681 02-09-2018, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
So wait you were in the Navy and believe the earth is flat?
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Then nature itself is that amazing. Wouldn't that Make it your God?
People used to revere and worship Mother Earth

Personally it is enough to be in awe of nature, arts, science etc one doesn’t imho need to turn it into an externalised deity
Originally Posted By sawoobley⏩
Great so you get a lot of your morals from religion. You just avoid the God part and the parts that require things from you (ie commandments).
Just cos the bible commands one not to murder or steal doesn’t mean it owns the convent of not being a murderer or thief
post 1543320881 02-09-2018, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
So wait you were in the Navy and believe the earth is flat?
i was in the navy and learned how our government lies about almost everything, I learned about mind control and brain washing and remember being trained by higher ups that I don't have to be right but I better sound right.
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post 1543320981 02-09-2018, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Christians are the same way.

The Old Testament has a whole bunch of laws that modern day Christians try to say something like "O those laws only applied to the ancient Hebrews" As if an all knowing eternal God would arbitrarily set different sets of rules for different sets of people.

I will grant you that religious based morals are harder to change, but it still happens. Some religions change more readily than others. Which I would argue isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they didn't I would hate Christianity as much as I hate Islam.
Yes, I think those who try and avoid the God of the Old Testament who is the same God of the New Testament are making a mistake. It may be difficult but possible to reconcile the two. Since God’s nature does not change we cannot ignore the OT.
post 1543321101 02-09-2018, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
yall ignoring this statement
I'm not,you just never asked anything. You had a great experience and think we could feel the same. Do you have a question?
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Which? I'm ok with killing for survival. Don't think that's what the Nazis were doing. If the natives had killed all the people trying to steal their land I'd be okay with that. Native Americans should have built a wall.
Jericho? Canaan?
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
I'm not,you just never asked anything. You had a great experience and think we could feel the same. Do you have a question?
i would like to explain a feeling to you that would be hard to explain unless you had a first hand experience, check out the 12 steps to recovery the 12 step is having a experience and then wanting to share the steps to the experience with others, I personally think AA define spirituality better than any other Religous org
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Nature=Creator=God?
If the definition of God is creator, then yes. That isn't the definition anyone uses though. God is defined by a whole list of other things like human emotion and being all powerful. Nature is, in general, not personified.
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How are y'all gonna teach your children how to deal with anxiety? I regret how my mom an Athiest handle me when I was younger.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Jericho? Canaan?
There is a difference between war and mass murder.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
How are y'all gonna teach your children how to deal with anxiety? I regret how my mom an Athiest handle me when I was younger.
Are you implying that atheists are unable to teach their children how to deal with things like anxiety and worry?
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
How are y'all gonna teach your children how to deal with anxiety? I regret how my mom an Athiest handle me when I was younger.
Teach them to embrace fear, challenge, and learning to counter it.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
How are y'all gonna teach your children how to deal with anxiety? I regret how my mom an Athiest handle me when I was younger.
Breathing techniques, mindfulness meditation, writing out practices, confidence building strategies

Finally we are talking about kids eh?
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
If the definition of God is creator, then yes. That isn't the definition anyone uses though. God is defined by a whole list of other things like human emotion and being all powerful. Nature is, in general, not personified.
Most people god isn't a he,she or person. He just is. Sounds a lot like nature.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Are you implying that atheists are unable to teach their children how to deal with things like anxiety and worry?
i know our society likes to hand out drugs and suppress feelings
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Breathing techniques, mindfulness meditation, writing out practices, confidence building strategies

Finally we are talking about kids eh?
you might have missed a few post up there where I translated not understanding gods love the same way non parant don't understand the love parents understand

You know another word for mediation is prayer and your way of handling anxiety is pretty much what the bible also says
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
you might have missed a few post up there where I translated not understanding gods love the same way non parant don't understand the love parents understand

You know another word for mediation is prayer and your way of handling anxiety is pretty much what the bible also says
So a non parent can understand parental love by having been in receipt of it, or witnessing it

And a non parent can be a loving guide and mentor to a younger person (even an older person)

And you can call meditation prayer if you wish but there is no external deity judgement in meditation, there just is

It’s a standard psychological treatment for heightened anxiety

Why does this only make sense to you if wrapped up in religion

We are saying it can exist outside
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
i was in the navy and learned how our government lies about almost everything, I learned about mind control and brain washing and remember being trained by higher ups that I don't have to be right but I better sound right.
Yet you some how managed to make it from Point A to Point B with out falling off the end of the earth...

Sneaky little governmentsess... Wicked, Tricksy, False!
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
How are y'all gonna teach your children how to deal with anxiety? I regret how my mom an Athiest handle me when I was younger.
The same way any other parent would, wing it. I have no problem saying I have no idea. That's what every parent has always done. You face an issue, you do your best to impart lessons and how to deal with life. If I was still Christian, I may tell my child to just "pray on it", but to me, that feels like a cop out for when I don't know what to do and don't want to look for a solution.

Your mom is one woman. There are billions of others. There are also many Christians with anxiety. Religion is how some people deal with life challenges. Others employ other methods. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
There is a difference between war and mass murder.
The difference is decided by the victors
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
So a non parent can understand parental love by having been in receipt it, or witnessing it

And a non parent can be a loving guide and mentor to a younger person (even an older person)

And you can call meditation prayer if you wish but their is no external deity judgement in meditation, there just is

It’s a standard psychological treatment for heightened anxiety

Why does this only make sense to you if wrapped up in religion

We are saying it can exist outside
one poster on your side agrees with me that it would be hard to express this love without experiencing it, but maybe you're right and he is wrong.
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