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The frequency of mass shootings is an issue. It may seem obvious, but there are people who disagree with that sentiment and feel that such shootings just come with the territory of our freedom. That's a debate for another time, but for a moment let's all presume mass shootings are an issue. Let's look at the possible ways to tackle it.

Now, right off the bat I think there are two different paths you can go here. You can choose to handle it the easy way, which is neutralizing the tool, or the hard way, which is neutralizing the person. I have no idea how one would even begin to go down the latter path, and I don't think anyone really does (in terms of concrete plans), which is why all the focus tends to be on guns. So we'll start with that...

Here are the potential ways I feel this issue can be approached, and how feasible I think they each are. How difficult would it be to successfully implement? What are the odds, given our current political climate, that such a potential solution would even be attempted? What are the odds it actually reduces mass shootings by a significant amount?


Attacking the Tool (there is no denying that these mass killings do/can not happen without the presence of a gun. The gun is simply the most potent tool we have at our disposal to kill others with)

-Ban guns from civilians
Difficulty: 8/10
Probability 1/10
Success: 5/10

-Ban guns, period. I mean chomp down on issue with the same tenacity we chomped down on plane hijacking
Difficulty: 10/10
Probability: 0.5/10
Success: 10/10 (of course it would open a bevy of other problems, as this solution likely entails taking away guns from police forces and keeping it to military only)

-Stricter gun laws (likely pertaining to the types of guns civilians can purchase)
Difficulty: 6/10
Probability: 4/10
Success: 3/10

-More relaxed gun laws
Difficulty: 6/10
Probability: 4/10
Success: 1/10

-Have armed security guards at public schools the same way we have janitors or lunch ladies
Difficulty: 3/10
Probability: 5/10
Success: 5/10



Attacking the Person (there is something terribly wrong with each and every one of the people who carry out these mass shootings, the way they think and behave is far outside of what is acceptable in our society)

... Well LIS, while equally as important in addressing the issue of mass shootings as the tool, I have no answers here. I have an idea of the problem, I think many of us do. There is obviously something about our culture, perhaps our diets, our media, etc., that leads men to carry out these acts. That makes otherwise sane people think that taking a gun and shooting up a school is even an option. What specifically? Or what can we do? I'm not sure, but I know if somebody does come up with a strong and evidence laden theory, the difficulty in applying changes would be off the charts, and unlike the gun related solutions (whether taking them away or giving them out), this would not be instant. Probably several generations. It may not even involve politics. While it would be nice if all of these mass shooters were schizophrenic or suffered from psychosis, the reality is they are simply "weird" men prior to their final act. Picking these needles out of the haystack that is weird men is next to impossible, we need to prevent these pieces of hay from developing into "needles" in the first place. Any ideas for specific plans addressing our society's problem with raising men that carry out mass killings?





Lastly, and apparently the favored solution over the years...

-Do nothing but give thoughts and prayers
Difficulty: 0/10
Probability: 10/10
Success: 0/10

people like the shooter are emotionally and psychologically unfit, you think torturing them would make a difference?


this entire fukcing country needs a total reform when it comes to "freedom,constitution,Governmental structure, organization, construction, arrangement, configuration, framework,guns,liberty "


sh!t is too wild and its out of hand

sorry brah I have no fears why would I ?

teenagers can't get automatic rifles in australia unlike in your retarded country.

yeah bro cucks gonna cuck you phucking idiot

You say this, yet all the evidence point the opposite direction. Why the cognitive dissonance.


You still think this is him?

I'm still at work so I can't investigate the MAGA hat pic, or that pic, further. But Why is the communist guy pic resulting in a google hit from 3 days ago?



Someone follow up and report back.


Meanwhile, for the #MAGA connection, we have at least one confirmed student, via an official news source, and likely (but admittedly unconfirmed) youtube comments.

"it's the wrong time to try and rush to judgement" yet you happily rushed to push back against the idea w/ the (fake?) communist pic a few pages back. Now it's off limits?

lmfao.

Don't worry, if anything, I think inceldom/social outcast/behavioral & mental health issues -- and yes, his gun fascination/access -- would be the most salient factors in this chitstorm (as opposed to an overtly political motive)

****ing media

this is a horrible thing but once again jumping to gun control......

Ive lived in all over this country and in arizona i saw some good ole boys that had guns that were meant for war not one of them shot up a school everyone wants to hold America up to this standard of perfection where we breed no nut jobs....

look at the mass murder in everywhere else in this world the genocide cnn or fox news decides not to play on a daily basis

this is one horrible thing that happened and i think the person who did it should be drawn and quartered bringing gun control into this is nonsense

instead of arguing about gun control and other nonsense we should simply come together understand there is evil in this world and train properly to look evil in the face and destroy it

a lot of innocent lives were lost today bickering over arguments that get beat to death every time this happens solves nothing and promotes more nutjobs to do similar acts show compassion and love for the fallen and make them human not just numbers and condemn the sick fukk that did this by not knowing or remembering his name

Typical clueless Australian.

Negged.

It wasnt an automatic rifle you moron and yes you live in fear. You are afraid to have a gun making you a sad pathetic little boy. Crime still occurs in AUS as do murders and you have literally no way to prevent it. Whats hilarious is gun ownership in the US has skyrocketted and yet gun crime is way down over the past few decades.

https://www.allenwest.com/2016/01/18...r-gun-control/

Your gun ban did very little except make you completely defenseless against criminals. It did not create some crime free utopia.

Here is another stat that you foreigners fail to absorb, guns save lives, everyday. Most stats put it at around 70k times a year a gun is used in self defense but the fbi and doj say it is most likely much higher because a lot of times it goes unreported.

Here is a prime example

Within 2 weeks of each 2 home invasions occur. In 1 a pastors pregnant wife was raped and murdered, in the second a mother shot and killed the invaders saving herself and her 18 month old child. Which one would you rather your spouse/mom/sister be? Completely defenseless and have a horrible rape and death or alive and well with a dead scum bag the only casualty?

lol Ameri****s, you simply value your right to take an AR-15 to the shooting range in the weekend, more than preventing mass shootings by limiting the availability of guns.

And before you spout your BS about it protects you from the crims its your right etc, you ****en gun homicide rate is 25x (TWENTY FIVE) that of any comparable wealthy country

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/a...ics/index.html

You guys are literally devaluing human life by indicating again and again that shooting your stupid guns takes priority over preventing guns deaths.




Negs from Ameri****s have no effect btw

They think taking guns away creates a crime free utopia, its pretty sad

I posted in response to what somebody else posted. I even said I didn't know if it was him. That's why my first sentence ended with a question mark. You sure seem convinced of your facts. Maybe you should work for CNN or MSNBC. You're faster than their reporters to arrive at the same conclusions.

I'll wait a couple of days. Past experience says that 75+% of what comes out in the first 24 hours is later proven to be false.

well, When it comes to gun control you have

U.K , Switzerland,Canada,Sweden,Austria, ,Germany ,Luxemborg all of the mentioned are first world countries were guns arent allowed to be sold to randoms. A reason why you never heard of a teenage boy going into a highschool and going ape**** on other students

Dont get me wrong , i dont give a **** about democrats,liberals,conservatives,republicans . but people need to be logical.

Guns arent supposed to be sold to everyone. period! i dont care about what the constitutions says. and even if you were to follow up on the constituation it was set 300 years ago when this country was literally cow boy country and people needed guns to defend their land

I'm on about the 'fiction' element that was explained differently in another post you referred to.

The coffee shop is in Melbourne:https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/08/w...rnd/index.htmlIt is an extra tax on men to account for the 'gender pay gap' (men pay more to drink coffee there), and women have priority seating etc. The 'mansplaining' comment - there I was referring to Fifield vs Gallagher - it is shocking to me to see such an accusation made among senators, and shows something about the cultural shift in Australia.

The point of my previous post was to say you cannot take 'guns' in isolation from the freedoms that Americans have every right to hold dear, and that buying into the fiction that you represented as follows: "Or why American media breeds fear so bad that citizens deem it necessary/normal to arm themselves with deadly weapons in their homes" is detrimental to a discussion about a sick kid's behavior.

I'm drunk and just heard about this.

17 killed?

What happened?


edit:

Another school shooting, atleast he was taken into custody.

They have the death penalty.

Cya.

Wrong again there were more firearms than just muskets during the constitution being written boyo and i dont care you dont care about the constitution. My rights trump your fear. 90m law abiding gun owners say you can take your fear based beliefs and shove em up your ass. Gun laws dont stop gun violence only good citizens willing to do violence to stop evil do. Its really not that hard a concept

Really?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

I'm on r/c from reppinglogicalpeople itt. Someone neg this ******* for me please, reps on r/c.

I wonder what it says when you have one example from 7 years ago, yet the could tear us apart with examples.
Don't listen to the EX- American cop who didn't even understand the constitution and would literally talk about murdering people.

He is an example of whats wrong with LEO in our country.

Ur right, all crime in those counties stopped when guns were banned, they are utopias free of assault rapes etc...

Still a lot of info we have yet to learn, but it would appear that a 19 year old supreme gentleman, who already has trouble with the school and had been suspended, decided to kill as many students as possible. Unlike previous assailants, many students are on record saying they saw this coming, or that this guy was the one people predicted (in jest, I assume) would be the one to shoot up the school if it ever happened.

Pathetic lies from a scared little boy of the big bad guns

blah blah blah

17 innocent kids/adults died today from your chitty guns that you love.

you're a dumb chit have a good day dickhead

Pussy confirmed

Again do you have zero murders and zero crime without guns? (Again you guys actually have more guns now than before the ban but what are facts?)

300 MILLION population. How many innocents died from drunk drivers today? Oh, you don't give a fuk. Ok.

well if you are stupid enough to understand what im saying as fear mongering then jakes on you. i wonder what would you think about your horse sh!t "law abiding gun owners" if it was your daughter in that school

im pretty sure all this horse **** you parrot out without using the 5 cm of gray matter you call brain would give you something to think about

fukcing retard
yeah happened once in the last 20 years in one country out of the 6 or 7 i mentioned

Away from all the shooter discussion. I want to know what goes through some peoples minds when this is happening. Have seen a few videos. One of someone Snapchatting when it appears the shooter is literally in the next room as them and another when someone thinks its appropriate to film their teacher/peers dead on the ground. The whole situation is seriously fukked up but what makes it even worse is that there are people out there who's first thought is to film this chit to put on Social Media. Phuck the gunman and doubly phuck those kunts who use situations like this to get a few more views/followers on snapchat.

Negged. You're the kind of moron that would argue 'since one hunter broke the rules and killed outside of hunting season, hunting should be prohibited'. You don't realize how stupid your extrapolation from a tiny group to a very large whole is. If you actually cared about why these people died, you'd dive into what happened with Cruz, how he was being investigated etc - instead, you're using this event to try to push and anti-gun movement. You're nowhere near as intelligent as you think - sit down, you ignorant skidmark.

Never heard of the school, but that’s a rich suburban neighborhood it’s located in.

gonna need pics of the actual shooter so i can curse at that pos motherfuker.

If my daughters were in that school i would blame exactly who is responsible for it which are democrats that think a sign stops evil. I would blame govenor brown here in CA who just signed a law banning school employees from carrying firearms to protect them