10 posts earlier you claimed its not easy to get a gun ... what is it now?!

aware me on why you need ar 15s in the community?

im not anti guns im anti some guns.

Obviously im not agoverment official. But I would start by limiting the sales or assult weapons, have you to take a long course with several months of training, background check, psychology background check. Have limited sales for persons without a military or police background, etc etc. And ofcourse since the gun culture in america is so ingrained, it's hard. But you have to start somewhere. Basically start from scratch.

Obviously im not agoverment official. But I would start by limiting the sales or assult weapons, have you to take a long course with several months of training, background check, psychology background check. Have limited sales for persons without a military or police background, etc etc. And ofcourse since the gun culture in america is so ingrained, it's hard. But you have to start somewhere. Basically start from scratch.

I think the main issue is, if all guns are banned from people, how long until street guns are eventually gathered up so nobody can actually even find them illegally... That's the "dream" for some people right? Getting all the guns off the street which seems like a pipe dream.

wow , you cant be serious. i mean youd rather fix this based on abstract bases than concrete ones?

all the bs aside, youre telling me if employees were to carry firearms in that school it would have prevented the 14 deaths? trust me it wouldnt . killing one student would suffice to label this as a tragedy .

proper thing to do ban all guns for non military personal aka civilians and keep it with the police,military and ex - mil guys

It absolutely is a result of the de-Christianization of this country. Even if you didn't personally believe, the overall morality of society kept most people in check. You can find rare instances of psychopaths and sociopaths committing mass murders like these, but mostly people understood that there were consequences to their actions. If you didn't believe in eternal punishment, there was swift corporal punishment. You didn't get 25 years of appeal after appeal from your free hippie legal team while you wasted away in prison corresponding with your groupies and watching MSNBC like mass murderers do now. Look up how quickly the Lindbergh baby kidnappers were brought to justice or the killers of Lincoln. Beyond that, there was also the shame that you brought upon your family and friends. Does that even exist now? I don't think so.

Not sure why you brought up the Catholic Church. America has always been Protestant, with a small Catholic minority. Just another typical strawman from people like you - atheists. A discussion of the ****/pederast scandal is a separate issue.

The Crusades were a just response to centuries of rape, murder, and banditry committed against Christians journeying to the holy land. I'm not surprised you don't know this. It fits with your lack of knowledge in many other areas (as you display here on the Misc). ISIS has nothing to do with God. We're talking about the USA. Islam is as foreign to our culture as toothbrushes are to yours.

Now, why don't you fuk off, you Scottish fairy.

That's what they did in Nazi Germany, Communist China, Bolshevik Russia, and Pol Pot's Cambodia...

http://www.sonsoflibertyradio.com/th...tor-style.html

So what new gun law would the "baddies" follow? That was exactly my point dumbass. His post stated you can "easily drive a few hours outside of la and chicago and buy a gun" that is false

guns, no guns, whatever.

Seems like your children are becoming more and more endangered

you realize the revolutionary war was less than 300 years ago? lol

I don't even own any guns, just funny to hear Europeans try to offer input on American gun control laws.

Can you not buy a firearm in lake county or even at the shops in cook if you are a Chicago resident?

It is extremely worrisome that some people literally want to give an absolute force monopoly to governments when across human history governments have been, by far and away, the biggest mass murderers. To make no mention of old, weak, injured, sick, small, or outnumbered individuals having no possible tool for leveling the playing field vs typical violent street criminals that are largely healthy, fit, young males often working in numbers/gangs. Bye by great equalizer, good luck defending yourselves guys (and everybody would know...)

That's a ****ed up dream

Aren't you lot finally entering the 21st century and lowering the legal limit of blood alcohol?

I guess when a pattern of death is discovered, decreasing the number of people that could cause the deaths is an adequate reaction.

Nah, guns for everyone. Keep blood alcohol at 0.08. No RCDs on power circuits. Fuk helmets. Don't immunise your kids. OH&S is for pansies. No weight limits for trucks. High vis? Use your eyes better.
Or maybe just use statistics and pattern recognition to save lives.

300 years ago. Do you not realize that is a long time ago ? Do you not realize thing have changed since then? Back then the brittish ruled over the americas, and they wanted to be free from the brittish crown and be independant. For what reason would the goverment of today take over the american people? Do you not realize that the american military is made up of normal people with familes and relatives too ? I dont get what is going to happen if you dont have assult rifles to "defend" your self against the goverment. Turn you guys into cattle and perform brain experiments ? To mee it seems like america has more problem with the left VS right, than something about the goverment

Just another day in America. Let's just pretend we don't have a problem...

To all you fuking retards ITT: It's impossible to have a reasonable debate about gun control in this country, let alone on the misc. You are wasting your time.

Full disclosure: I own 2 hunting rifles.

Private citizen? Ok, here have your handgun with current checks in place. Oh, you want an assault rifle? Sorry, we don't sell those, they can only be sourced by licensed Security companies (who are held liable for anything that happens with those weapons).

if we think the US will need to be over thrown (which IMO could happen with the way liberals are trying to enforce communism and socialism)

1. That's retarded

It's one of those things that you can't really protect against

No one knows who is going to strike, no one knows when they will strike. Although some of the students joked about him being the next "school shooter"

It's a shame that there's no effective way to counter this from happening

This is the real reason, no? Your wet dream about a civil war where you can "fight THE MAN" finally. All those nights watching John Wayne movies finally will pay off - or do you see yourself more in a John Wick type of gunslinger scenario. Clearly not Christian Bale with his Gun-Fu in Equilibrium? Tell us more about the boogieman you paint who justifies everything.

I dont get why banning certain guns are such an issue. Yes, the criminals will still have guns. And if you have bad luck you might get robbed on the way home. But it's not the crips and the bloods who are doing school shootings. But criminals will always find a way to get guns, if it wasn't a gun it would be a knife. Europe does have school shootings, yes. Not often, but they do occour. But most weapons allowed are hunting rifles or a hunting shotgun, or w/e it's called. Yes, I might get run over by a truck in europe, but we can set up protection in busy streets with metal poles etc. I atleast wont have to be afraid to go to school. Becuase the nerdy kid wont know how to get a gun, and even if he knew where to go (obviously the ghetto), he would most likely just get robbed or ripped of, and would not be able to get a handgun and shoot up the school.

The only reason you want to keep your assult rifles is because they all dream of the day the goverment does something and they get to fight the evil goverment with their rifles.

man, white people especially the males are so fragile, people say it as a joke but this being the white man's world and rest of us just living in it isn't far from the truth and even then your people still get triggered and go ballistic so often

can you imagine what these guys would do if they were born as deathniks and actually had to suffer through life? fking yikes

obviously, if they really wanted to they will find a way. But limiting the choices they have to acess a gun can scare away alot of people who think it is to hard. And removing assult rifles and making it harder to get a handgun can severely help with the problem America is having. For example here in Sweden a guy went into a school and wanted to kill a bunch of people. Butbecuase he was an FA autist, all he had was a sword. So yes, unfortunately 2 people died. But if he had gotten his hands on a gun things could have been much worse

Do you know why most people have no "black market" gun connections? It's because guns are sold pretty much everywhere in the USA, at Walmart, at sporting goods stores, gun stores, etc. It's really easy to get firearms in the USA,legally.

You know what's not available legally in the USA? Heroin. Meth. Molly. Acid. How many upstanding college students in America do you think aren't a phone call away from a person that either has those things for sale or knows someone who has those things for sale? There is an enormous black market for illicit drugs in this nation, and it's not like you have to be some hardened criminal to find them.

If firearms were made illegal on a mass scale in the USA, the same thing would happen to guns as has happened to drugs. Everyone would "know a guy who knows a guy" and black market firearms would be readily available. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the USA, and almost all of them are unregistered. If you think an FA Elliot Rodger wannabe would have no way to find a Glock and a few magazines if it was suddenly illegal to possess guns, you are living in a fantasy world.

How would any of this stop mass shootings from happening? Or do you think so long as there are 'few enough' mass shootings that at a certain point you will wring your hands and say that is the price to pay for a gun owning society?

Obviously im not agoverment official. But I would start by limiting the sales or assult weapons, have you to take a long course with several months of training, background check, psychology background check. Have limited sales for persons without a military or police background, etc etc. And ofcourse since the gun culture in america is so ingrained, it's hard. But you have to start somewhere. Basically start from scratch.