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post 1543946971 02-15-2018, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
It's pretty obvious the guy in the hoodie is going to win that argument.

Also, it looks like the SPLC and ADL and the rest of the liberals who rushed to claim the kid was part of some sort of "white nationalist militia" (whatever the hell that means) were guilty of wishful thinking.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...emacist-group/

I'm not sure why the people on the left try to exploit EVERY situation like this for political purposes within minutes of it happening, but it's pretty disgusting. They're worse than ambulance chasing lawyers.
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post 1543947091 02-15-2018, 08:27 PM
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Gun nuts going ballistic ITT.
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
You mean my point of stricter background checks and a stricter application process...Yes...

Any educated firearm owner i've ever talked to in my 6+ years of selling firearms was never opposed to stricter background checks and more firearms education.
Stop lying
post 1543947231 02-15-2018, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By CdtCox⏩
how many gun shows have you been to?
Zero but I know the law regarding gun shows and selling your "private" collection.
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post 1543947291 02-15-2018, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Second time you've said that, despite me putting forth several. If by "workable" you mean "fits all your personal political criteria and beliefs" then maybe they aren't "workable". But that's your fault, not mine.

There are solutions, that a lot of people would consider reasonable, but you don't. It's as simple as that.
You have put forth nothing but "somebody else will figure out how to make it work because I don't have a clue"

Unless you're saying to just ban all guns and confiscate the 300 million out there and build a border wall etc etc to get rid of them all lol
post 1543947351 02-15-2018, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted By otakutrevan⏩
What is "more strict" ? If you have never been arrested or have record you have nothing. Is everyone supposed to have some government agent interview them, and go talk to their friends and family going back years?
Obviously you can't have a government agent interview everyone. Same as its unrealistic for the FBI to monitor every loner in every high school.

Something along the lines of a licensing system. Take a test and/or course. Pass test. Submit application with references. Wait a month or two and receive your license to purchase firearms.

This would weed out a lot of goofballs.
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post 1543947381 02-15-2018, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
Not if you buy at a gun show.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about.


The laws areexactly the sameat a gun show as they are in the rest of the state, at all times. You get aroundnothingby going to a gun show
post 1543947481 02-15-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
Zero but I know the law regarding gun shows and selling your "private" collection.
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post 1543947491 02-15-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Stop lying
I'm not lying.

You might be confusing me with yourself in the fantasy football thread.

I understand your memory is short but a few pages ago i was defending gun owners against that red brit *******.
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post 1543947601 02-15-2018, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
I'm not lying.

You might be confusing me with yourself in the fantasy football thread.
Are you drunk?
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
Obviously you can't have a government agent interview everyone. Same as its unrealistic for the FBI to monitor every loner in every high school.

Something along the lines of a licensing system. Take a test and/or course. Pass test. Submit application with references. Wait a month or two and receive your license to purchase firearms.

This would weed out a lot of goofballs.
You kids are so naive. Where I grew up getting a firearm on the street was cake. If you knew someone that sold drugs? That person knows a person that traffics weapons. These restrictions will simply inconvenience the legal firearm owner (IE: people like myself) while street gangs, psychos, and terrorists will still acquire weapons


inb4 "but but but Europe!"

America has a gang / low income issue that is outrageous compared to most first world European countries. And we seemingly have a surplus of emotional isolated deranged supreme gentlemen that have appeared in the past 20 years.
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
Obviously you can't have a government agent interview everyone. Same as its unrealistic for the FBI to monitor every loner in every high school.

Something along the lines of a licensing system. Take a test and/or course. Pass test. Submit application with references. Wait a month or two and receive your license to purchase firearms.

This would weed out a lot of goofballs.
Lol. Where there is a will there is a way. Can't buy it legally? Go to the ghetto. Extra laws wont help here. And why references...
post 1543947801 02-15-2018, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
You have put forth nothing but "somebody else will figure out how to make it work because I don't have a clue"

Unless you're saying to just ban all guns and confiscate the 300 million out there and build a border wall etc etc to get rid of them all lol
I put forth 2 specific examples that you responded to directly. Are you drunk?
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Originally Posted By Future24⏩
How exactly would they do that? He legally bought a gun. Do you want them to start arresting people because they MIGHT be threats?
School knew he was a threat. Take out a restraining order. Boom, done.

FBI knew he was a threat. Florida has terroristic threat charges on the books...get local law enforcement to charge him based on social media posts. Boom, done.


There's no minority report here - he was threatening to kill people in public forum.
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post 1543947891 02-15-2018, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted By otakutrevan⏩
You kids are so naive. Where I grew up getting a firearm on the street was cake. If you knew someone that sold drugs? That person knows a person that traffics weapons. These restrictions will simply inconvenience the legal firearm owner (IE: people like myself) while street gangs, psychos, and terrorists will still acquire weapons


inb4 "but but but Europe!"

America has a gang / low income issue that is outrageous compared to most first world European countries. And we seemingly have a surplus of emotional isolated deranged supreme gentlemen that have appeared in the past 20 years.
Get's called a kid..

Age 30..

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all makes sense now.

Gun owners turning on one of their own.
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post 1543948021 02-15-2018, 08:36 PM
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Even with stricter background checks this kid would've been able to buy the guns, he had no felonies, never been institutionalized, i guess you could believe they would've found his youtube comments but if the FBI couldn't link it to this kid then I don't think some background check would either.
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
I put forth 2 specific examples that you responded to directly. Are you drunk?
Yes, the old 'somebody else will figure out the details'

Good call
post 1543948181 02-15-2018, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
Get's called a kid..

Age 30..

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all makes sense now.

Gun owners turning on one of their own.
What does me having a subaru have anything to do with anything. I refer to people randomly as a kid. That said my favorite part is where you ignored that entire post.
post 1543948471 02-15-2018, 08:43 PM
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The problem is that we are not starting from zero, we have to face the reality of how many guns are already out there. They said 5 million ar-15s, for example.

A ban tomorrow doesn't change that supply, a determined person will get one. We honestly might be too far gone sadly.
post 1543948511 02-15-2018, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
Obviously you can't have a government agent interview everyone. Same as its unrealistic for the FBI to monitor every loner in every high school.

Something along the lines of a licensing system. Take a test and/or course. Pass test. Submit application with references. Wait a month or two and receive your license to purchase firearms.

This would weed out a lot of goofballs.
So, banning guns by bureaucratic inertia (i.e., a body at rest tends to stay at rest). Submit your application and wait for approval from some nameless, faceless bureaucrat... forever. No thanks. They pull this chit all the time to pass de facto gun bans into law in the name of some appeal to public safety.

https://gunfightertactical.com/how-c...-all-handguns/

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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
I put forth 2 specific examples that you responded to directly. Are you drunk?
He's slow
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Originally Posted By SippyCups⏩
Gun nuts going ballistic ITT.
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Not digging through 46 pages but assuming im not the only one sick of this dumb media/politician cycle where everything gets politicized the day of and right after something sick like this occurs. Can we let these families and kids have some peace before politicians and the media descending on the place asking gun control questions and lining up to pander pretending to give a crap. I hear these interviews for the 5 minutes I turn on the news and I feel awful that our media and "leaders" just sink their teeth into whatever they can find to promote their agenda. Then some media schlub comes on bishing about the woes of guns or how some random law could've stopped this.

I'm just sick of it. Sick of everything getting politicized and turned into some black or white situation, where it seems like the real issues arn't discussed and nothing goes anywhere. Very few talking about mental health. Very few talking about his unstable family.
Originally Posted By WrestlingFan123⏩
Even with stricter background checks this kid would've been able to buy the guns, he had no felonies, never been institutionalized, i guess you could believe they would've found his youtube comments but if the FBI couldn't link it to this kid then I don't think some background check would either.
Yeah agreed. People act like the FBI should've been digging into him based on bad comments on Youtube. Whole misc be on FBI's watchlist if so.
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Originally Posted By otakutrevan⏩
What does me having a subaru have anything to do with anything. I refer to people randomly as a kid. That said my favorite part is where you ignored that entire post.
Why would i continue reading when you called a 30 year old a kid.


My suggestion is not an ultimate fix to the problem. Bad people will obtain ways to harm people regardless of better screening, stricter background checks or a firearms ban. It's simply a way to help limit some firearms falling into the hands of deranged individuals. If a firearms licensing process could limit a handful of school shootings a year would you (i'm assuming an educated firearms owner) not be all for that?

If you aren't what are you proposing? i don't see a lot of logical suggestions ITT.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
So, banning guns by bureaucratic inertia (i.e., a body at rest tends to stay at rest). Submit your application and wait for approval from some nameless, faceless bureaucrat... forever. No thanks. They pull this chit all the time to pass de facto gun bans into law in the name of some appeal to public safety.

https://gunfightertactical.com/how-c...-all-handguns/

The Constitution does not say that the Bill of Rights is subject to bureaucratic approval.
It must upset you that i'm a PAL and RPAL carrier and i own an R-15, 1911 and several hunting rifles.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Yes, the old 'somebody else will figure out the details'

Good call
Lol what did you expect me to give a full detailed plan of everything that would have to put in place, something that would take teams of people months to do?

You're just being willfully obtuse.

In all seriousness what exactly are you trying to achieve by posting in here? All you've done is show that your views and political beliefs are incompatible with any form of gun control. Which is fine, but you're not invalidating anyone else's differing opinions or suggestions with your aggressive opinions.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
You literally have no idea what you are talking about.


The laws areexactly the sameat a gun show as they are in the rest of the state, at all times. You get aroundnothingby going to a gun show
Did you read what I posted or are you just spamming your "gun knowledge"? Look up gun show loophole and private sales that take place there. Look up the rules for that.
Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
School knew he was a threat. Take out a restraining order. Boom, done.

FBI knew he was a threat. Florida has terroristic threat charges on the books...get local law enforcement to charge him based on social media posts. Boom, done.


There's no minority report here - he was threatening to kill people in public forum.
The school did fail to implement more measures against him. However, the FBI would be investigating online, social media threats non-stop if they took everyone serious. It would take a lot of man power to do that. How would the FBI determine which are legit and which are not?
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Originally Posted By HughBMyron⏩
Why would i continue reading when you called a 30 year old a kid.


My suggestion is not an ultimate fix to the problem. Bad people will obtain ways to harm people regardless of better screening, stricter background checks or a firearms ban. It's simply a way to help limit some firearms falling into the hands of deranged individuals. If a firearms licensing process could limit a handful of school shootings a year would you (i'm assuming an educated firearms owner) not be all for that?

If you aren't what are you proposing? i don't see a lot of logical suggestions ITT.
1. Banning certain types of guns will not stop any gun homicides.
2. An actual proposal, repeatedly posted ITT, is to have armed security, armed teachers, or more LEOs at schools so that school shooters get shoot instead of going on a rampage.
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Pretty sure the solution has to be more guns.
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Lol what did you expect me to give a full detailed plan of everything that would have to put in place, something that would take teams of people months to do?

You're just being willfully obtuse.

In all seriousness what exactly are you trying to achieve by posting in here? All you've done is show that your views and political beliefs are incompatible with any form of gun control. Which is fine, but you're not invalidating anyone else's differing opinions or suggestions with your aggressive opinions.
Tell us again what your solution is, then, since it's so great.

Surely, OP will deliver
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