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Thread: The pilot who landed the southwest plane with the blown engine yesterday

post 1549436011 04-18-2018, 03:05 PM
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Figures it was a woman, probably just ignored the oil warning light and kept on flying.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
The engine didn't "blow" in the way you're referring to. The fan disk was missing a blade. Literally any pilot who heard the news assumed this within seconds.

The incident started with the fan blade failure, and for it to blow out the front cowl in totality like that would have required bouncing around in front of the fan disk, and I'm not seeing anything in pics that indicates this (no marks on the inside of the cowling, no gouges in the other blades, etc.) I think another possibility is that something else blew out the cowling as I've heard speculation of a pressure surge in the deicing system, but I don't know if that's actually possible when ingesting debris at full power FOD'd the missing blade. In that case, the blade broke and the fan lost balance, that would have destroyed the cowling.

Most likely, the fan blade came off, which caused the whole engine to shake violently, which caused the cowl to break apart, and the shrapnel from the cowl is what hit the window and weakened it. Then the window was no longer able to hold the pressure so it burst.

But what do I know, I'm just a woman.
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Anyways, good piloting but nothing that I wouldn’t expect from any professional pilot. I’ve been in some “emergencies”
Including an engine failure at V1, loss of cabin pressure at 40,000’ (not immediate but dove hard), bird strikes and severe icing. my colleagues all have crazy stories too. The one factor than never changes in our stories are hearing the pilots calmly go through checklists the way they are trained to do in simulations.

Edit: to clarify, I have the same opinion about the Hudson too. Also, the “ignoring the oil light” and similar comments are hilarious (srs)
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
I used to work with Avro RJ85 and also be a passenger every now and then. It would look a bit dodgy when on the ground but does it have a smooth landing! Cannot even tell when the gear hits the ground, old plane but still does its job
You ever seen them converted for firefighting? Saw one last year for the first time. Very cool.

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I'm generally a confused individual but why is she a hero? Was the plane not still fully controllable and with another working engine? What was she supposed to do? Not do her job and ignore her training and flip that thing into the nearest skyscraper?

It's not like she entered a burning plane by choice to save people and landed it (or tried to). She was at her job, her plane malfunctioned, she had no choice but to continue doing her job. She did it well and did not let others down, so good on her and I hope she is my next pilot but hero?

The dudes in Chernobyl who, instead of running, dove into the radioactive cooling water to open some drain, preventing a massive disaster and receiving lethal doses of radiation were heroes (and almost nobody knows their names) but a guy responsible for calming a reactor as part of his job, who for example finds himself in a room with the reactor freaking out, AND cannot get out because a door is jammed, is not a hero if he does what he is supposed to do to save himself and others.

But again, she sounds like a kickarse pilot.
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It's weird tho that only the one woman died. It's like the devil was coming for her. Maybe she had an abortion
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Originally Posted By garthismad⏩
It's weird tho that only the one woman died. It's like the devil was coming for her. Maybe she had an abortion
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
The engine didn't "blow" in the way you're referring to. The fan disk was missing a blade. Literally any pilot who heard the news assumed this within seconds.

The incident started with the fan blade failure, and for it to blow out the front cowl in totality like that would have required bouncing around in front of the fan disk, and I'm not seeing anything in pics that indicates this (no marks on the inside of the cowling, no gouges in the other blades, etc.) I think another possibility is that something else blew out the cowling as I've heard speculation of a pressure surge in the deicing system, but I don't know if that's actually possible when ingesting debris at full power FOD'd the missing blade. In that case, the blade broke and the fan lost balance, that would have destroyed the cowling.

Most likely, the fan blade came off, which caused the whole engine to shake violently, which caused the cowl to break apart, and the shrapnel from the cowl is what hit the window and weakened it. Then the window was no longer able to hold the pressure so it burst.

But what do I know, I'm just a woman.
I feel there's a few holes in your story when it comes to the theory on what led to the catastrophic failure. Since its a theory I'd rather wait til the actual occurrence gets reported, and then read that. Hopefully the Misc will report on it.
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Originally Posted By jimberee⏩
a man wouldn't have let the engine blow up in the first place
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Figures it was a woman, probably just ignored the oil warning light and kept on flying.
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Originally Posted By GM54⏩
One of my engineering professors in college (taught mechanics of materials), worked for NASA. He mentioned that if the everyday person actual saw the outside condition of the planes that are up in the air everyday they would never fly again. It just isn't economical to make sure every single plane is pristine every time they hit the air. I can see how the issue was missed.
Had a prof teaching the same class say the same thing!
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^ thats absolutely false.

In engineering, airplanes get a marker of 1, meaning that the tolerance for the parts are always high. Your CD player has a marker of zero. While airplanes have a marker of 1, some of the parts used are 0. The parts that are zero are frequently replaced. Engine failure here was probably due to a new inspector.
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Originally Posted By blindsideflank⏩
Are you an AME?...
Nah, armchair aviation enthusiast, grew up on an AFB, Dad is with FAA, etc. We had a nice long chat about it Tuesday evening, just sharing my perspective.
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Originally Posted By kyle1922⏩
LOL fukkin nerdy ass passangers brb high t alpha russian passangers dont give fuk when plane crashing.


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Originally Posted By goingcia⏩
I'm generally a confused individual but why is she a hero? Was the plane not still fully controllable and with another working engine? What was she supposed to do? Not do her job and ignore her training and flip that thing into the nearest skyscraper?

It's not like she entered a burning plane by choice to save people and landed it (or tried to). She was at her job, her plane malfunctioned, she had no choice but to continue doing her job. She did it well and did not let others down, so good on her and I hope she is my next pilot but hero?

The dudes in Chernobyl who, instead of running, dove into the radioactive cooling water to open some drain, preventing a massive disaster and receiving lethal doses of radiation were heroes (and almost nobody knows their names) but a guy responsible for calming a reactor as part of his job, who for example finds himself in a room with the reactor freaking out, AND cannot get out because a door is jammed, is not a hero if he does what he is supposed to do to save himself and others.

But again, she sounds like a kickarse pilot.
I’m a load master for the C-130J in the USAF. I’ve had an inflight emergency where the booster hydraulic system leaked really bad spraying mist everywhere. The pilots as well as myself remained calm and training just kicked in on what to do to handle the situation.

Planes aren’t dumb. The technology in planes specifically the Boeing 737 is ridiculous. Really the only thing she needed to do was declare and emergency and land. The Boeing 737 is capable of flying with one engine and there is a protection system on newer planes that if one engine fails, the other automatically reduces power so the plane doesn’t roll to on side and become uncontrollable. So probably what happened was that they lost the number one engine, the plane identified it immediately causing the number two engine to reduce power before the pilots even had a grasp on what was going on. Then they just opened the checklist for an engine failure and ran it until the ending result was to land at the closest airfield.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
A female.

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Women make great pilots, actually. Usually helicopter ones, though. On average, they have better hand-eye coordination than men. Their usual problem is g-forces. They pass out much easier than men, which is why most pilots are men.

That and there are social forces that tend to drive men towards training their hand-eye coordination more than women (sports, video games), but on a genetic level, women are better designed for that kind of crap.
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reports are now saying that shopping bags were found stored inside the failed engine.

"It appears that the window was shattered by a strappy open-toed pump, size 6."

...but who could have put their shopping bags inside the eng-
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Originally Posted By hackerwacker⏩
Yea probably fatigued from listening to her nag and whine the whole flight. I'd blow myself up too
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
. On average, they have better hand-eye coordination than men. .
da fuk

that's not true in the slightest. it is well know factually men have better hand eye coordination by a significant margin

where are you getting your data from
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Originally Posted By jimberee⏩
a man wouldn't have let the engine blow up in the first place
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Originally Posted By Scarrdbutsmartr⏩
Im not taking anything away from her. I would have had that sum b*tch in a fiery pile...With that said dont airline pilots repetitiously practice losing an engine and cabin pressure in simulators and on training flights? In addition dont they have to certify via a trainer that they can handle these types of situations...

I understand being called a hero if you have a catastrophic incident and manage to land safely (a spin and recover/all engines fail/landing gear doesnt come down) but this seems to fall into a category of "expected recovery".

I havent followed this story very closely so am I missing something? (srs)...
you are correct.

what happened here is trained for regularly in the simulator

however in the moment it is always much more stressful. is she a hero? the sheeple will never say otherwise. they would not allow her NOT to be called a hero

but seeing as we are trained for such emergencies on the regular I personally don't find it heroic, just another tough, albeit significant day on the job
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Originally Posted By billclintonnn⏩
I’m a load master for the C-130J in the USAF. I’ve had an inflight emergency where the booster hydraulic system leaked really bad spraying mist everywhere. The pilots as well as myself remained calm and training just kicked in on what to do to handle the situation.

Planes aren’t dumb. The technology in planes specifically the Boeing 737 is ridiculous. Really the only thing she needed to do was declare and emergency and land. The Boeing 737 is capable of flying with one engine and there is a protection system on newer planes that if one engine fails, the other automatically reduces power so the plane doesn’t roll to on side and become uncontrollable. So probably what happened was that they lost the number one engine, the plane identified it immediately causing the number two engine to reduce power before the pilots even had a grasp on what was going on. Then they just opened the checklist for an engine failure and ran it until the ending result was to land at the closest airfield.
Yes I am not sure why people are saying she is great for not losing her mind, she is a pilot, it is her job.

I wouldn't expect Doctors, Nurses to lose the plot if someone was having a cardiac arrest or bleeding to death... just because the average Joe might.
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Originally Posted By billclintonnn⏩
I’m a load master for the C-130J in the USAF. I’ve had an inflight emergency where the booster hydraulic system leaked really bad spraying mist everywhere. The pilots as well as myself remained calm and training just kicked in on what to do to handle the situation.

Planes aren’t dumb. The technology in planes specifically the Boeing 737 is ridiculous. Really the only thing she needed to do was declare and emergency and land. The Boeing 737 is capable of flying with one engine and there is a protection system on newer planes that if one engine fails, the other automatically reduces power so the plane doesn’t roll to on side and become uncontrollable. So probably what happened was that they lost the number one engine, the plane identified it immediately causing the number two engine to reduce power before the pilots even had a grasp on what was going on. Then they just opened the checklist for an engine failure and ran it until the ending result was to land at the closest airfield.
ok I'm not trying to hate but a lot of what you said is not true.

firstly engines don't reduce power when the other fails, they increase it. assume you're operating near your max ceiling. you want to remain high as long as possible (assume no decompression, not like was the case here). if you reduce thrust your speed will decay even faster with only 1 engine.. so you'll need to increase it on the remaining one to buy to time. if you mean for the sake of structural integrity, planes can handle TOGA in a one engine out scenario with full rudder deflection so wouldn't be for that either. perhaps this is c130 specific but it doesn't make sense to me.

Also it isn't done automatically you have to change the thrust gate yourself.

secondly in my previous post yes she wasn't necessarily a hero but in that situation there are a fukton more things to be done than 'make an atc call and land'

you aren't a pilot and you haven't flown the 737 so I'll cut you some slack, but you've been around planes so you should know better than to minimise pilots responsibilities in such a situation to merely putting the autopilot on and making an atc call

perhaps if you were the one responsible for doing the flying instead of sitting behind the guys up front you would have a different attitude
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Women make great pilots, actually. Usually helicopter ones, though. On average, they have better hand-eye coordination than men. Their usual problem is g-forces. They pass out much easier than men, which is why most pilots are men.

That and there are social forces that tend to drive men towards training their hand-eye coordination more than women (sports, video games), but on a genetic level, women are better designed for that kind of crap.
you sound like a crazy person.

also, did the engine suck the glow out of the pilot? jesus.
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Yes, pilots are trained and training kicks in during emergencies. They have checklists for a reason but give her some credit. It's not the simulator. In the simulator, you're obviously on the ground. Not 30K feet in the air. You still have to have nerves of steel to make sure you execute your training in that life or death situation. Not to mention the other souls on board you're responsible for.

lol at trying to minimilize this like it's an every day occurance.
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