I've actually watched most of them beginning from the 2000s, and I seen some of the older ones from 90s and down. Haven't seen them all though. Some of them I did like, and some of them I don't. And this is an example of why it's hard for me to actually take these movies seriously, because I thought The Punisher (2004) was actually a pretty decent movie, and marvel fans swear that's one of the worst ones ever made. The movie didn't have any break-out performances or anything, or cool special effects, but it had solid cinematography for what it was. Right at the beginning, Frank Castle's family gets waxed, and it was possibly the most raw scene I ever seen in a superhero movie. He then goes on to have three strong boss fights that he barely wins, and had a strategic finish in how he beats the main boss, and all bosses were drastically different from each other and powerful in their own way. It was an interesting revenge plot, where the protagonist and antagonist are fighting to the death. While then you got movies like Doctor Strange, which is highly rated across the board, but that was one of the most boring superhero movies I ever seen. The dude loses his hands, learns magic, and then has one of the most generic boss fights I've ever seen. BRB let me just find the right power to beat him to save humanity even though it didn't look like humanity even cared or was in much danger in the first place. The movie felt so lifeless, that I didn't even care. They are all just hit or miss for me, and the one that were good, aren't even THAT good. The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2, which IMO were the very best superhero movies ever made so far, still don't even compare to a movie like The Matrix and other movies up there like it.

That's the thing, comic book fans are ONLY comparing the movies to each other. I'm comparing the movies to cinema as a whole. They are not THAT good of movies, and it's quite obvious to anyone who isn't a cult fan and knows anything about films. And that's what I'm talking about, 2004's The Punisher was a solid film for cinema standards, it wasn't groundbreaking or anything, but it was a decent film. But most comic book fans act like that was a C level superhero movie, that was cool for some, but most don't care for it at all, and that's why you never see it get brought up. I don't care what people personally like, you like what you like, but when you think like a movie critic, you start to see films more for what they are, even if they are your favorites. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan, but I do appreciate the Star Wars universe, because the OG films were really that good of movies, and when fans start acting like these comic book movies have now reached the level of Star Wars, and that's when I'm like, y'all are trippin'. They are not there...yet.

And yes I've seen the Captain American films. I didn't like the first one, and I thought the second and third one were okay. Okay as in like, they were watchable and had some cool things about them, but they're movies I'll never watch again, because they weren't cinematically impressive. None of these films have famous movie lines (besides maybe like TDK and Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, which had like one or two), or scenes that you just want to rewatch over and over again, because of how brilliantly philosophical they were, or how epicly revealing they were in presentation or dialogue. Most of these movies don't have impressive soundtracks either. You know, soundtracks that are ageless (Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, etc). No amazing sound effects (lightsabres, T-Rex roar, etc) or nothing. All they have is some cool already established characters, and some good action scenes, and that's it. No amazing storytelling or nothing. And that's why I just can't respect these movies in the type of manner fans do.

That's the thing, comic book fans are ONLY comparing the movies to each other. I'm comparing the movies to cinema as a whole.

yeah sorry but the punisher original wasn't really a superhero movie despite Frank Castle being in the MCU

I just gotta disagree. I think movies like Winter Soldier and Civil War far surpass Punisher in almost every aspect except the raw emotional impact (easier when you're a rated R movie) and I think the Maguire Spiderman films are just as generic as any other early 2000s/90s superhero movie. You got an origin story > villain uprising > damsel in distress > climactic battle. Though they were well done.

I also don't subscribe to the notion that modern Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. Still got stuff like Avatar or classic comedies like 40 Year Old Virgin (and most those films with Rogan, Rudd, Segel) or incredible adaptations like Lord of the Rings. BUT yes there are some brands that are milking the cow way too much. Disney with Star Wars is one of them. But the MCU has a fukton to give.

If you don't like the Avengers there's still Deadpool, if you don't like that there's Guardians of the Galaxy (alot of non MCU fans like that movie) or there's X Men or The Punisher TV series.

ufokinwotm8? so you're comparing different genres of movies to superhero movies and saying they aren't good because of that? I cant even right now lmao that is so stupid

Man they all are generic ass movies, majority of them are. The Punisher was one of the ones that actually wasn't, that's why I actually liked that one. TDK and Tobey's Spider-Man's had good executions, that's why they're top 2 for me.

Punisher was a generic revenge movie brah. And rather one-dimensional - the guy went on his revenge mission and was unstoppable until he completed it.

I mentioned in this thread or the IW thread that Marvel has made a point to keep these films distinct. They've done origin stories, spy themes, political themes, comedies (guardians and ant man), grand scale villains, low key villains, plotlines that run through movies and on TV shows concurrently, and now a movie where the villain wins.

I don't think it's a coincidence that some people will watch only Guardians and Ant Man or only Doctor Strange and ignore/dislike the others. It's because those movies are a big departure from the others. Anytime someone dismisses these as typical superhero beat em ups, I just gotta disagree.