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post 1551850571 05-19-2018, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
This is the kind of mentality expressed by most gun nuts. Given by god. lmfao

Freaks haven't advanced intellectually in 200+ years.
So "rights given by the government" is more acceptable than "natural rights", lmfao. Who is delusional?

So the right to not be enslaved, or have your children taken away from you, is a right given to you by the government and the government's willingness to grant you those rights is the only thing that makes those rights valid?
Originally Posted By Rojoh
What? This is straight up mental illness, believing this nonsense.
You do understand that the government is bound by the Constitution, right? If the Constitution is no longer valid, then what do we have? It doesnt matter if you believe in a creator or not. It was the simplest way to say that the right to defend yourself is a natural born right. This should be self evident, unless you are a bootlicking, indoctrinated fking moron.

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Originally Posted By twiceasnice
Since when does restricting guns and increasing background checks (which should involve family members) = banning guns? Why wouldn't you want it to be universally more difficult for mentally ill or clearly troubled people to obtain any kind of firearm? If you're of sound mind and not a fukking retard, it won't even affect you.

You retards see red straight away and start screaming MAH 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS because let's be honest, you nerds were probably bullied too and like the feeling of power owning a gun gives you. No pragmatic response, purely emotional.
I love the buzz terms like “increasing backround checks” and “restricting guns” being smuggly thrown around by non americans who think they are smart without the terms being quantified at all. Increase backround checks how? With what funding? An intensive backround check similar to one you need for government clearence on every gun buyer would be astronomically expensive and time consuming. Most of the guns used in school shootings were onbained illegally or stolen from family memebers, increased backround checks wouldnt have done chit.
Restrict what guns? The guy yesterday killed 10 people with a shotgun and revolver, ban those too? I respect the people who say they want to ban all guns more than the ones who say stupid vauge solutions that are basically unfeasable and amounts to saying ban all guns anyway. Btw the whole "i bet you were nerds too" comment is the bullying attitude that is the catalyst for shootings, guns are just part of the symptom.
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Originally Posted By nm1891
I love the buzz terms like “increasing backround checks” and “restricting guns” being smuggly thrown around by non americans who think they are smart without the terms being quantified at all. Increase backround checks how? With what funding? An intensive backround check similar to one you need for government clearence on every gun buyer would be astronomically expensive and time consuming. Most of the guns used in school shootings were onbained illegally or stolen from family memebers, increased backround checks wouldnt have done chit.
Restrict what guns? The guy yesterday killed 10 people with a shotgun and revolver, ban those too? I respect the people who say they want to ban all guns more than the ones who say stupid vauge solutions that are basically unfeasable and amounts to saying ban all guns anyway. Btw the whole "i bet you were nerds too" comment is the bullying attitude that is the catalyst for shootings, guns are just part of the symptom.
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Originally Posted By ontclone
Has anyone explained why this happens in the US so much compare to the UK or Canada? Srs
For starters...
U.S. population: 325M
Canada population: 36M

Everything is going to happen more often when you have 10x the population. But it's a combination of things. Our education and health systems aren't great either.

Won't even mention UK because they get terrorist attacks every week
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83
By the way, I'm miring that complete disdain you seem to only express for Christians.
Not disdain. I just think we shouldn't make rules for society based on an old book when there are literally hundreds of religions out there claiming to be the correct one.
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Originally Posted By CrookedDink
For starters...
U.S. population: 325M
Canada population: 36M

Everything is going to happen more often when you have 10x the population.
Which is why gun violence statistics are measured per capita rather than by overall number of occurrences.
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Originally Posted By jfcantu
Which is why gun violence statistics are measured per capita rather than by overall number of occurrences.
Like how he Czech Republic has 1/2 the homicide rate of the UK and Australia while allowing civilian concealed carry and easy ownership of semi-auto rifles with standard capacity mags.
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Originally Posted By Fit1NYC
Why haven’t we heard from that bald chick?
We did, about how they were going to ban guns that weren't used in the shooting. It was while the bodies were still warm, and a statement on the weapon used hadn't been made.
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Originally Posted By jfcantu
Which is why gun violence statistics are measured per capita rather than by overall number of occurrences.
Right, and the US is ~30th in gun violence per capita and has progressively gotten safer since the 70s-80s.

Number of instances does matter to public perception though, especially when news travels to Timbuktu instantly.
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Originally Posted By CrookedDink
Right, and the US is ~30th in gun violence per capita and has progressively gotten safer since the 70s-80s.

Number of instances does matter to public perception though, especially when news travels to Timbuktu instantly.
Current homicide rate is half of what it was in the early 90s...
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Originally Posted By nm1891
I love the buzz terms like “increasing backround checks” and “restricting guns” being smuggly thrown around by non americans who think they are smart without the terms being quantified at all. Increase backround checks how? With what funding? An intensive backround check similar to one you need for government clearence on every gun buyer would be astronomically expensive and time consuming. Most of the guns used in school shootings were onbained illegally or stolen from family memebers, increased backround checks wouldnt have done chit.
Restrict what guns? The guy yesterday killed 10 people with a shotgun and revolver, ban those too? I respect the people who say they want to ban all guns more than the ones who say stupid vauge solutions that are basically unfeasable and amounts to saying ban all guns anyway. Btw the whole "i bet you were nerds too" comment is the bullying attitude that is the catalyst for shootings, guns are just part of the symptom.
These dipshts think that you can waltz into a gas station and buy a fking AR15. Thats the problem, these lemmings have no idea what it currently takes to purchase a firearm. They just repeat buzzwords and go with the narrative that is propagated to them. The current background check to purchase a firearm is already federally mandated and quite extensive.


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Originally Posted By jfcantu
Yes, but from a risk mitigation standpoint, there's benefits to be had from allowing the ownership of weapons that are effective in self defense situations but less useful to an active shooter.

And also, yes, while anybody who's sufficiently determined can build a gun of any variety they want, there's a deterrent factor involved when you make it more difficult for people to get the tools they need to do bad stuff.

The argument that you're making is essentially that if we can't stop gun violence completely, we shouldn't even bother trying to do anything to lessen their frequency, or the damage that can be done when they do happen.
No thats not my argument my argument is that banning any gun wont stop gun violence nor will it lessen it as ONLY LAW ABIDING CITIZENS FOLLOW GUN LAWS. If someone is hell bent on mass murder do you really think they will stop to check the gun laws? Thus all your gun bans do is make law abiding citizens easier victims

You people have some weird pipe dream that banning guns will create some eutopia but im sorry to tell you it wont
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
This is the kind of mentality expressed by most gun nuts. Given by god. lmfao

Freaks haven't advanced intellectually in 200+ years.

Couldnt sum you up any better than this Sandusky
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22 school shootings this year...strong everything
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Originally Posted By jfcantu
Which is why gun violence statistics are measured per capita rather than by overall number of occurrences.
Super weird that if you remove detroit baltimore and chicago we drop into the bottom half of the world

Hows that democratic gun control working out there?
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Originally Posted By P51
lol wut? Why are you making up bull****. A ****en army is never going to storm your house where you need an AR15 with all it’s tatical attachments to defend yourself. You have guns because you like them.
I do like guns and guess what thats my right

As for the rest of your stupid post

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Originally Posted By r0bo
you're trying to talk to mimsy; easily one of the stupidest people on the misc. you'd encounter better discourse with a ****ing wall.
Coming from a druggie like you lmfao
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980
News flash you dont judge an entire population of people based on the actions of a few

Weird i know
I've literally seen you post about how all Muslims are terrorists etc..... All 1 billion+ are terrorists?
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Originally Posted By AgainBrah
22 school shootings this year...strong everything
There were 173 shootings in Chicago alone last month. And that was supposedly a good month.
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah
I've literally seen you post about how all Muslims are terrorists etc..... All 1 billion+ are terrorists?
No you literally have not
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980
Super weird that if you remove detroit baltimore and chicago we drop into the bottom half of the world

Hows that democratic gun control working out there?
"Someone asked me about what I thought of Australia’s experience banning the use of handguns for self-defense against criminals, and so I thought I would link to an article from The Federalist, then explain what peer-reviewed studies say about the issue.

Let’s start with The Federalist.

It says:

The argument, as Vox’s headline puts it, is “Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.”

The piece, along with many gun control advocates, cites a Harvard University study whose conclusion begins with this line: “It does not appear that the Australian experience with gun buybacks is fully replicable in the United States.” Not a great start for Vox’s angle, but I digress.

The study doesn’t conclude that “murders and suicides plummeted” in Australia after the 1996 gun ban, as Vox claims in its headline. Instead, it focuses solely on firearm-related murders and suicides.

After the gun ban, violent crime rates were up:

Yes, as with the gun-happy United States, the murder rate is down in Australia. It’s dropped 31 percent from a rate of 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1994 to 1.1 per 100,000 in 2012.But it’s the only serious crime that saw a consistent decline post-ban.

In fact, according to the Australian government’s own statistics, a number of serious crimes peaked in the years after the ban. Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates. The effects of the 1996 ban on violent crime are, frankly, unimpressive at best.

It’s even less impressive when again compared to America’s decrease in violent crime over the same period. According to data from the U.S. Justice Department, violent crime fell nearly 72 percent between 1993 and 2011. Again, this happened as guns were being manufactured and purchased at an ever-increasing rate.

So although you have fewer firearm-related deaths when you disarm law-abiding civilians, violent crime increases, because there is now NO deterrence to criminals. Even a criminal with a knife can rob, rape and murder someone who is unarmed."

https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06...icide-rates-2/

Originally Posted By AgainBrah
22 school shootings this year...strong everything
Fake news, son.


https://www.conservativereview.com/n...is-year-wrong/
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry
"Someone asked me about what I thought of Australia’s experience banning the use of handguns for self-defense against criminals, and so I thought I would link to an article from The Federalist, then explain what peer-reviewed studies say about the issue.

Let’s start with The Federalist.

It says:

The argument, as Vox’s headline puts it, is “Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.”

The piece, along with many gun control advocates, cites a Harvard University study whose conclusion begins with this line: “It does not appear that the Australian experience with gun buybacks is fully replicable in the United States.” Not a great start for Vox’s angle, but I digress.

The study doesn’t conclude that “murders and suicides plummeted” in Australia after the 1996 gun ban, as Vox claims in its headline. Instead, it focuses solely on firearm-related murders and suicides.

After the gun ban, violent crime rates were up:

Yes, as with the gun-happy United States, the murder rate is down in Australia. It’s dropped 31 percent from a rate of 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1994 to 1.1 per 100,000 in 2012.But it’s the only serious crime that saw a consistent decline post-ban.

In fact, according to the Australian government’s own statistics, a number of serious crimes peaked in the years after the ban. Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates. The effects of the 1996 ban on violent crime are, frankly, unimpressive at best.

It’s even less impressive when again compared to America’s decrease in violent crime over the same period. According to data from the U.S. Justice Department, violent crime fell nearly 72 percent between 1993 and 2011. Again, this happened as guns were being manufactured and purchased at an ever-increasing rate.

So although you have fewer firearm-related deaths when you disarm law-abiding civilians, violent crime increases, because there is now NO deterrence to criminals. Even a criminal with a knife can rob, rape and murder someone who is unarmed."

https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06...icide-rates-2/





Fake news, son.


https://www.conservativereview.com/n...is-year-wrong/
They also like to ignore that preconfiscation there 3.5m guns in circulation

There are 3.7m today

There are now more guns in Aus then before the confiscation...
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980
They also like to ignore that preconfiscation there 3.5m guns in circulation

There are 3.7m today

There are now more guns in Aus then before the confiscation...
They dont like facts and logical conclusions, just buzz words, talking points and preconceived narratives.





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The shooter looked like he was autistic, or had Asperger's. Like he was on the spectrum. People probably ignored signs that something was unhinged about him.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980
Coming from a druggie like you lmfao
fking lmao it's hilarious how you are too stupid to realize your own idiocy
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Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt informed the school that he will personally cover the funeral expenses for the victims of the May 18 tragedy. He tweeted about the tragedy Friday morning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ctims-funerals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGTsjkHzM4
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Christian Riley Garcia

Christian Riley Garcia was a student at Santa Fe High School. His aunt, Sarah Saunders, said Christian died a true hero.

"From what we've gathered thus far he got in front of other students and barricaded the door," said Saunders. "He laid down his life so others could have a chance."

Saunders said Christian hoped to enlist in the military when he became of age. He felt it was his calling to serve others.



Sabika Sheikh

Pakistani businessman Abdul Aziz Sheikh says he learned of the tragedy unfolding at a high school in Texas when he turned on the TV after iftar, the fast-breaking meal during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Realizing it was the school where his 18-year-old daughter, Sabika, was an exchange student, he flipped through channels trying to learn more and left her messages, but she didn't reply.

He called his daughter's friends, but they weren't responding either. It was only when he got reached the exchange program that he got the bad news: Sabika Khan was among the 10 people killed in Friday's mass shooting at Santa Fe High School, southeast of Houston.




Angelique Ramirez

Family members said Angelique was a strong teenager who took on a heavy role in the family with her younger brother.

"She was busting at the seams with energy and laughter. Vivacious," the family said.

"She had so much ahead of her. CREATIVE beyond belief! She was a magnificent caretaker and a staple in her family. She stood up for what was right and made friends with anyone she saw as a good soul. A beautiful child finding her way and hopeful for her future. Beyond her years"





Cynthia Tisdale

Family members say a substitute teacher whose passion was her children and grandchildren is among the victims of the shooting at a Texas high school.

Leia Olinde says authorities confirmed to her family that her aunt, Cynthia Tisdale, was killed in Friday morning's shooting at Santa Fe High School.

She says Tisdale, who was in her 60s, was like a mother to her and helped her shop for wedding dresses last year.



Ann Perkins

Ann Perkins was a substitute teacher at Santa Fe High School.



Chris Stone

Chris Stone's sister said he was shot and killed in his first period art class. He was a junior.



Shana Fisher

Shana Fisher was in art class at the time of the shooting, her family said on Twitter. Shana's mother and father believe she was one of the first victims killed.

Her family isn't being allowed to see her body yet. An autopsy is planned for Monday.



Kimberly Jessica Vaughan

Kimberly Vaughan was in art class when shots rang out Friday morning. Her mother, Rhonda Hart, announced on ******** that her daughter was one of the children who did not make it.



Jared Black

Jared Black was a student at Santa Fe High School. No picture found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGTsjkHzM4
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Aaron Kyle McLeod

Aaron Kyle McLeod was 15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGTsjkHzM4
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