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post 1555863331 07-09-2018, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted By SYKO227⏩
So it's at 8 out now? Maybe they'll get everyone out within the next 24-36 hours.
yeah its on the news now.... that if everything goes as lanned ... the last 4 boys and the coach will be taken out today .. so hopefully this entire ordeal will be done by the end of the day
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Aaaannndd they’re overdoing it again...


“Families of the first four have been able to see their children through a glass window, Chokedamrongsook said.”

Treating them like animals because of supposedly potential for “cave disease”

That’s like literally one of those things you read about having existed once somewhere in the science books and then you overreact like as if 1. They were in a cave 2. They must have it

The logic is just a bit too over the top once again
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Wait so they didn’t flood the cave and get dolphins in there? What a shame
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Aaaannndd they’re overdoing it again...


“Families of the first four have been able to see their children through a glass window, Chokedamrongsook said.”

Treating them like animals because of supposedly potential for “cave disease”

That’s like literally one of those things you read about having existed once somewhere in the science books and then you overreact like as if 1. They were in a cave 2. They must have it

The logic is just a bit too over the top once again
They've waited this long, better safe than sorry. I imagine their immune system to be shot right now. So it's best to keep the germy families away until they are stable.
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
They've waited this long, better safe than sorry. I imagine their immune system to be shot right now. So it's best to keep the germy families away until they are stable.
No. It's to keep them away from the families. The boys may have been exposed to harmful bacteria or fungi. Being in isolation for a month doesn't cause your immune system to get shot or anything. Your memory cells last much longer than that.

Recent studies actually showed that some cave bacteria were antibiotic resistant to most known antibiotics. If they interacted with common pathogenic surface bacteria via conjugation and gave them the resistant plasmids, tour's over. It's unlikely, but possible. There are many pathogenic bacteria and fungi that thrive in dark, low oxygen environments and may have been in that cave as well.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Recent studies actually showed that some cave bacteria were antibiotic resistant to most known antibiotics. If they interacted with common pathogenic surface bacteria via conjugation and gave them the resistant plasmids, tour's over. It's unlikely, but possible. There are many pathogenic bacteria and fungi that thrive in dark, low oxygen environments and may have been in that cave as well.
did you do bio at college? i thought you were a financel
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post 1555865631 07-10-2018, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted By Kuzon⏩
did you do bio at college? i thought you were a financel
I did math and molecular/microbiology and almost physics and almost chemistry as well srs. Had no idea wtf I was doing with my life...still don't.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
No. It's to keep them away from the families. The boys may have been exposed to harmful bacteria or fungi. Being in isolation for a month doesn't cause your immune system to get shot or anything. Your memory cells last much longer than that.

Recent studies actually showed that some cave bacteria were antibiotic resistant to most known antibiotics. If they interacted with common pathogenic surface bacteria via conjugation and gave them the resistant plasmids, tour's over. It's unlikely, but possible. There are many pathogenic bacteria and fungi that thrive in dark, low oxygen environments and may have been in that cave as well.
As society uses antibiotics more and more instead of allowing the body to naturally fight off the bacteria, bacteria will become more resistant to those antibiotics. As recently as two or three years ago, there was a pretty bad bacteria floating around Louisiana that wasn't able to be treated with antibiotics. First world problems, lol.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I did math and molecular/microbiology and almost physics and almost chemistry as well srs. Had no idea wtf I was doing with my life...still don't.
What the **** is wrong with you? You must hate yourself to put yourself through that. Chemistry is AIDS, man. Math by itself is hard (but fun), microbiology is hard, physics is math, and **** chemistry in the ass.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
As society uses antibiotics more and more instead of allowing the body to naturally fight off the bacteria, bacteria will become more resistant to those antibiotics. As recently as two or three years ago, there was a pretty bad bacteria floating around Louisiana that wasn't able to be treated with antibiotics. First world problems, lol.
That's true, but what is rly surprising is bacteria found in caves that hasn't been in contact with humans in millions of years had resistance plasmids. Some people are saying now that the pathogenic bacteria are getting their resistance genes from nonpathogenic ones in the environment because the rates at which their resistances emerge seem to be faster than you would expect purely due to mutations alone.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...stant-bacteria
Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
What the **** is wrong with you? You must hate yourself to put yourself through that. Chemistry is AIDS, man. Math by itself is hard (but fun), microbiology is hard, physics is math, and **** chemistry in the ass.
Lol all just approaches to the same problems at different scales boyo. Most chit thing about the Chem classes is the labs.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
That's true, but what is rly surprising is bacteria found in caves that hasn't been in contact with humans in millions of years had resistance plasmids. Some people are saying now that the pathogenic bacteria are getting their resistance genes from nonpathogenic ones in the environment because the rates at which their resistances emerge seem to be faster than you would expect purely due to mutations alone.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...stant-bacteria
That actually is interesting. I would've figured that the mutations would be faster. See, this is why science is so awesome. It's rare that awesome gets used properly, but science truly is awesome.
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
Kids are probably too ****ed up to panic already.
Seriously this. They probably don't have any panic left, it's just survival now. The drive to GTFO will overweigh anything else. If you have ever been in a survival situation you know that fear is a constant but no longer influences you that much.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
That actually is interesting. I would've figured that the mutations would be faster. See, this is why science is so awesome. It's rare that awesome gets used properly, but science truly is awesome.
Ya brah...also since the bacteria didn't lose their resistance genes in the cave, there may be fungi that produce antibiotics in the cave...perhaps they could be modified to produce new antibiotics! It's pretty cool stuff.
Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
And the sad part is they don't fund research into new antibiotics, because it is not a good return on investments. Good returns are from drugs a person will need to take the rest of their life. Antibiotics are taken for a short course, and you are done with them.
Yep. Treatments vs cures. Sucks.But there will still be independent university labs that will study this stuff for the chits and hopefully make some progress.
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
And the sad part is they don't fund research into new antibiotics, because it is not a good return on investments. Good returns are from drugs a person will need to take the rest of their life. Antibiotics are taken for a short course, and you are done with them.
My microbio lab in college

Revolved around taking soil samples at the beginning of the semester and breaking them down to find antibiotics

My class didnt find any but a girl in a previous class did and was travelling around everywhere
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I wonder if the ravages of time have allowed for any bacterial mutations in any miscers basements.
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
Seriously this. They probably don't have any panic left, it's just survival now. The drive to GTFO will overweigh anything else. If you have ever been in a survival situation you know that fear is a constant but no longer influences you that much.
I disagree. Hope can be both the most motivating and most devastating thing. They're stuck in a cave for days on end and have little to no hope of being rescued, and then they're found and find that they're going to be looked after, treated, etc. With some of them being rescued, they'll likely have all the drive to do everything that they can to get back to their families.
Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
And the sad part is they don't fund research into new antibiotics, because it is not a good return on investments. Good returns are from drugs a person will need to take the rest of their life. Antibiotics are taken for a short course, and you are done with them.
absolutely. We also have stronger antibiotics that are typically used when others don't work (That "V" one for treating C. Diff comes to mind), so people don't see the need to invest in a new one when the ones that we currently have are typically sufficient. The pharmaceutical industry is ridiculously corrupt, anyway. It'd be nice it'll probably take a truly serious situation for there to be a serious AB movement, sadly.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Ya brah...also since the bacteria didn't lose their resistance genes in the cave, there may be fungi that produce antibiotics in the cave...perhaps they could be modified to produce new antibiotics! It's pretty cool stuff.
There is a less than 1% chance of that happening.(of it being funded, I mean)
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I wonder if the ravages of time have allowed for any bacterial mutations in any miscers basements.
That feel when you'll never know what it's like to have a basement.
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
^^^
A few have been found at the university level over the past few years, but the pharmaceutical companies aren't very willing to invest in the research for approval/manufacturing. It costs an unbelievable sum to bring a new drug to the market, and as I said antibiotics are poor investments.
Just look at how much they tried suppressing the safety pin.
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
I'm unaware of that one. Good thing it never happened 70's-80's punk-rockers would have had to find something else to wear
The safety pin is a one time use needle. Nurses that would be accidentally stuck by a needle after using it on an AIDS patient was, I believe, the main reason for someone inventing it. When the injection is finished, the needle shoots up and is unable to stick anyone again. Manufacturers of the old needles would reuse them after sanitizing them, so it was much cheaper. The companies that made the needles had to completely change their factories for the safety pins.

Yeah, probably so.
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So they are all out? Nice. This thread has been an oddly satisfying one due to this end result. It probably would have lasted until October if it had to. My favorite post is still the strategy involving dolphins.

Wouldn't it have been funny--I guess--if the last person was all: "No I am staying! I am one with the cave MUAHAHA! in a Smeagol voice. Then goes onto be the leader of an underground cave society that waits for it's day to surface and take over.
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
Oh! Safety syringes haha I thought you were talking about....
I figured that after I hit submit, but I was too lazy to specify. My apologies, lol.

I thought you meant punk rockers wearing syringes, which I'm sure has been done before. We both goofed, lmao
Originally Posted By EoR⏩
So they are all out? Nice. This thread has been an oddly satisfying one due to this end result. It probably would have lasted until October if it had to. My favorite post is still the strategy involving dolphins.

Wouldn't it have been funny--I guess--if the last person was all: "No I am staying! I am one with the cave MUAHAHA! in a Smeagol voice. Then goes onto be the leader of an underground cave society that waits for it's day to surface and take over.
I figured at least one f them would die. The outcome was much, much better than expected.
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Originally Posted By EoR⏩
So they are all out? Nice. This thread has been an oddly satisfying one due to this end result. It probably would have lasted until October if it had to. My favorite post is still the strategy involving dolphins.

Wouldn't it have been funny--I guess--if the last person was all: "No I am staying! I am one with the cave MUAHAHA! in a Smeagol voice. Then goes onto be the leader of an underground cave society that waits for it's day to surface and take over.
they havent been all saved yet.... ongoing to save the last 4 kids and their coach
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Everyone rescued now! Hats off to everyone involved in the rescue, real heroes..
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epic they're all saved what a ride brahs

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