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"Nattys can't get rounded 3D delts"
07-24-2018, 07:35 PM
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delts are my strongest thing too.
i do pretty light weight, keep lots of tension on them. and probably hit 200-300 reps a week. High volume af. 5x20 30-45 secs rest.
For nattys there just something to be said about adapting to be able to withstand serious volume and frequency.
unnatty delt pop is unsightly with that square rear delt look.
i do pretty light weight, keep lots of tension on them. and probably hit 200-300 reps a week. High volume af. 5x20 30-45 secs rest.
For nattys there just something to be said about adapting to be able to withstand serious volume and frequency.
unnatty delt pop is unsightly with that square rear delt look.
07-24-2018, 07:51 PM
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Do you lift heavy and have you "build a base" with your compound lifts?
I'm always down on myself because I have novice numbers but I see and hear people say you can get good hypertrophy with mind muscle connection and great form.
I'm always down on myself because I have novice numbers but I see and hear people say you can get good hypertrophy with mind muscle connection and great form.
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07-25-2018, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted By cannonballdooky⏩
Main movements are in the 6-12 rep range with accessories in the 10-15, sometimes up to 30 rep range. Weight should be relative to what you can control with perfect form keeping the weight on the muscle.Do you lift heavy and have you "build a base" with your compound lifts?
I'm always down on myself because I have novice numbers but I see and hear people say you can get good hypertrophy with mind muscle connection and great form.
I'm always down on myself because I have novice numbers but I see and hear people say you can get good hypertrophy with mind muscle connection and great form.
Don't let others get you down man, some of my numbers are pitiful lol. Don't care
07-25-2018, 02:30 AM
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I started doing lateral raises every week but they only seem to be getting harder, perhaps I was overtraining them or something but I had to lower the weight and I was doing 12+ reps every set.
Not sure how to approach the exercise and what day to do them in-between my push/pull and legs. I was dedicating like 45 minutes of my time just doing super low weight lateral raises and build up slowly to heavier weight.
Not sure how to approach the exercise and what day to do them in-between my push/pull and legs. I was dedicating like 45 minutes of my time just doing super low weight lateral raises and build up slowly to heavier weight.
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07-25-2018, 02:44 AM
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07-25-2018, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted By Clkflynn⏩
No offense, but if you're doing 45 minutes of lateral raises, you either are using proper form to transfer the load to the side delt, or you aren't using enough intensity on your sets. Supersets and drop sets are your friend for delts IMO.I started doing lateral raises every week but they only seem to be getting harder, perhaps I was overtraining them or something but I had to lower the weight and I was doing 12+ reps every set.
Not sure how to approach the exercise and what day to do them in-between my push/pull and legs. I was dedicating like 45 minutes of my time just doing super low weight lateral raises and build up slowly to heavier weight.
Not sure how to approach the exercise and what day to do them in-between my push/pull and legs. I was dedicating like 45 minutes of my time just doing super low weight lateral raises and build up slowly to heavier weight.
After my pressing movement (either DB or reverse band smith machine right now) I do like 3-4 sets of these (sometimes each with a drop set) and my delts are fukin toasted.
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07-25-2018, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
LOL you're not the first person here to comment on the abs, it's all good. I put approximately zero percent of my workouts into ab training. But still, i guess that's just where i hold fatIncredible stuff if natty
Not hating here but mind blown at how shredded your arms/delts are yet abs look like you're 14% fat lol
Not hating here but mind blown at how shredded your arms/delts are yet abs look like you're 14% fat lol
07-25-2018, 03:33 AM
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theres something about you that makes me think not natty but i cant put my finger on it
07-25-2018, 03:36 AM
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Very rare to see non manlets with 3D delts natty, and has nothing to do with training or intensity.
07-25-2018, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
Be careful with the terminology you use, with lifting 'high intensity' usually refers to heavy weight/low reps.Sets of 10 are fine when done with adequate intensity to stimulate growth.
I'm honestly not well studied, but hypertrophy coach's site changed my philosophy completely.
I'm honestly not well studied, but hypertrophy coach's site changed my philosophy completely.
Still mirin delts though, natty or not, Good stuff.
07-25-2018, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen⏩
Yeah i hear ya, probably not the right terminology in that situation. But i think the thing i see with newer or novice lifters, is they have a program that says do 4 sets of 8 of a certain exercise, so they count to 8.... and then stop no matter what.. because that's what the paper says. 4 sets of 8 is fine, but you can't do 4 efficient sets using the same weight and expect optimum results, imo. But i don't even scienceBe careful with the terminology you use, with lifting 'high intensity' usually refers to heavy weight/low reps.
Still mirin delts though, natty or not, Good stuff.
Still mirin delts though, natty or not, Good stuff.
07-25-2018, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted By SeymourGains⏩
I'm guessing it's everyone's tendency to point the bicycle finger at anyone who actually works their ass off 5-6 days a week in the gym for 4 years straight and sticks to a solid diettheres something about you that makes me think not natty but i cant put my finger on it

07-25-2018, 04:53 AM
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STRONG progress OP! I hate delts - really tough to get them to grow.
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07-25-2018, 04:59 AM
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Your delts, given your story is true are exceptional. Not eating real food and having delts popping out from each direction is still a tough/near impossible journey for most people.
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07-25-2018, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
Only problem with that guy's logic is he is explaining the DB Lateral raise as if you just "drop it" back to starting position.Rarely pick up more than 30's, but recently have been doing this almost exclusively over DB laterals. So much better
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Try 30 lb. Lateral raises with a 3-4 second controlled eccentric (negative).
In fact you should be doing 3-5 second controlled eccentric on almost all moves, or you're leaving out a LOT of intensity.
07-25-2018, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Judgment⏩
Regardless of how slow your eccentric is, there is still barely any tension for the bottom 1/3 of the movement with dumbells unless you're leaning/laying sideways on inclined bench. And if you have the angles right with the cables, the weight is heavier at the bottom (where you're strongest) and lighter when you get to the top (where you're the weakest) so you can really get the most out of each set.Only problem with that guy's logic is he is explaining the DB Lateral raise as if you just "drop it" back to starting position.
Try 30 lb. Lateral raises with a 3-4 second controlled eccentric (negative).
In fact you should be doing 3-5 second controlled eccentric on almost all moves, or you're leaving out a LOT of intensity.
Try 30 lb. Lateral raises with a 3-4 second controlled eccentric (negative).
In fact you should be doing 3-5 second controlled eccentric on almost all moves, or you're leaving out a LOT of intensity.
His theory on tempo:
07-25-2018, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
I partially agree, but of course genetics play a huge role in delts, and i think it's much less common/harder in tall brahs due to the length of the shoulder/insertion.I have to disagree. It certainly helps! I mean yea, obviously you need the right insertions for ideal aesthetics
Very very rare to see someone 6'1+ with 3D delts and natty, far more common in manlets.
Still, not trying to knock the work you've put in, you've clearly worked and dieted very hard for your physique so fair play to you.
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen⏩
TY man, gotta own/make up for the manlet balding somehow! LOLI partially agree, but of course genetics play a huge role in delts, and i think it's much less common/harder in tall brahs due to the length of the shoulder/insertion.
Very very rare to see someone 6'1+ with 3D delts and natty, far more common in manlets.
Still, not trying to knock the work you've put in, you've clearly worked and dieted very hard for your physique so fair play to you.
Very very rare to see someone 6'1+ with 3D delts and natty, far more common in manlets.
Still, not trying to knock the work you've put in, you've clearly worked and dieted very hard for your physique so fair play to you.
07-25-2018, 07:08 AM
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Mirin brah. That’s always been a goal of mine but it’s gonna have to wait after shoulder surgery.
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
I don't disagree with the cable method and think it's excellent. I was specifically attacking the DB theory where you're only getting resistance on "one third of the movement".Regardless of how slow your eccentric is, there is still barely any tension for the bottom 1/3 of the movement with dumbells unless you're leaning/laying sideways on inclined bench. And if you have the angles right with the cables, the weight is heavier at the bottom (where you're strongest) and lighter when you get to the top (where you're the weakest) so you can really get the most out of each set.
His theory on tempo:
His theory on tempo:
As long as you're keeping tension throughout the entire eccentric movement then yes, you have it throughout the entire exercise. Not 1/3 or even 2/3. Slow, controlled hold all the way back to starting position.
07-25-2018, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
No its really not that, theres people bigger and leaner than you that i believe are natty (no hate) something just looks supernatural imo lol are you using some type of filters or messing with image settings?I'm guessing it's everyone's tendency to point the bicycle finger at anyone who actually works their ass off 5-6 days a week in the gym for 4 years straight and sticks to a solid diet


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Originally Posted By SeymourGains⏩
Haha oh my bad, thought you were being a smartass. The 2018 pic from the side is just straight from an iPhone 6 with no filter. The 2018 pic from the front has an basic filter from Instagram, but nothing beyond that. My avi is just God-tier gym lighting at 167 lbs lmaoNo its really not that, theres people bigger and leaner than you that i believe are natty (no hate) something just looks supernatural imo lol are you using some type of filters or messing with image settings?
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