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post 1557661261 07-31-2018, 06:57 PM
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HOLY ****, footage released of LAPD killing hostage taker AND his hostage

Investigators on Tuesday released graphic footage of a police shooting in Van Nuys last month that left both a knife-wielding man and the woman he was holding hostage dead.

Calling her death “tragic,” Los Angeles police Chief Michel Moore said Elizabeth Tollision, a 49-year-old homeless woman with disabilities that left her with limited mobility, was shot twice as three police officers fired on the man holding a knife to her neck.

The man, Guillermo Perez, 32, was also killed. The police video features footage from two of the officers’ body-worn cameras. It shows Perez holding a folding chair and a knife as he fends off multiple bean-bag rounds from police.

Within a few seconds, Perez grabs Tollison and holds the long, serrated knife to her neck. That’s when the officers fire multiple rounds.

The incident occurred just after 1 p.m. June 16 on the 6400 block of Tyrone Avenue in Van Nuys, outside a homeless outreach center.

Moore on Tuesday said the officers fired 18 times. He said this was the second police shooting fo an unarmed bystander in a hostage situation in just six weeks. Last month, police also killed a Trader Joe’s manager in Silver Lake when a shooting suspect ran inside the store.

The video was released under the city’s new program mandating the Los Angeles Police Department publish video captured by its officers’ body-worn cameras.

The video, one of a handful of “critical incident” videos released so far under the program, was published to the department’s Youtube channel.

The city’s police commission voted in March to require LAPD to release footage collected in such incidents within 45 days. The incidents include all shootings by officers and physical encounters that leave a person dead or seriously injured.
He fired 18 shots in less than 5 seconds...
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eh their plan of action was the bean bags. They were utterly useless. Should have pulled pistol sooner but oh well
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post 1557662091 07-31-2018, 07:08 PM
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Wtf was she doing? How was she so clueless, or seemingly not giving of a single ****?
Uncontrollable behavior with some psychopathic tendencies
post 1557662171 07-31-2018, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Critter5592⏩
Wtf was she doing? How was she so clueless, or seemingly not giving of a single ****?
do you read?
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that's what happens when cops are afraid of shooting. Hope liberals are happy. They shot only when they had no choice and u saw what happened.

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post 1557663371 07-31-2018, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By straightflexing⏩
do you read?
So limited mobility now = totally oblivious/frozen like a statue?

She has a walker, that doesn't mean you can't react within a 2 minute period AT ALL lol wtf
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post 1557663441 07-31-2018, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Critter5592⏩
So limited mobility now = totally oblivious/frozen like a statue?

She has a walker, that doesn't mean you can't react within a 2 minute period AT ALL lol wtf
Disabled + Homeless = not moving for anyone or anything
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post 1557663701 07-31-2018, 07:31 PM
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wtf how?

Why shoot? The only reason to fire would be to protect the hostage but they directly shot her multiple times. The police weren't in any danger. This is what happens when you recruit from the bottom rung of the high school graduates
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Inb4 retard miscers defend these pathetic coward "policemen"
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Originally Posted By HairyCrotchGuy⏩
Inb4 retard miscers defend these pathetic coward "policemen"
I'm a huge police supporter. Not sure why that's a bad thing today.

But I'm not watching a video where I know two people actually get shot.
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post 1557664801 07-31-2018, 07:47 PM
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Better shoot her in the head so he doesnt cut her throat. solid logic.

Police need better training. They need a tool they can deploy to subdue somebody immediately without killing them. Like a taser... someone needs to invent a long distance taser or instant tranquilizer..



The scary thing is not all people who have mental breakdowns have a long history of it. They arent criminals, its a crisis that can happen to ANYONE, though the general consensus excludes the self from ever being caught up in this kind of crap. People need to ask what would I want them to do if that was ME as the 'bad man' and not what I want to do with 'them' - the one acting outside accepted norms. Its easy to say shoot them and kill them, but its not easy to say 'end me'.
post 1557665011 07-31-2018, 07:50 PM
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rip..
when I saw the woman there I was like why is she standing there
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post 1557665021 07-31-2018, 07:51 PM
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I guess "Oops, my bad..." isn't going to cover this
post 1557665281 07-31-2018, 07:54 PM
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ah so it takes an incident like this to say that cops need better training
post 1557665411 07-31-2018, 07:55 PM
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They just wanted to get home to see their families
post 1557665531 07-31-2018, 07:57 PM
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Taser was not seen on this day....
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What's the point of shooting if you kill both?

Wasn't the point to save her not pump her full of lead?
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If the guy slits her throat which was totally possible (guy's clearly a whacko, on drugs, suicide mission etc...) and would have taken less than a second the cops get blamed for shooting too late. If they take him out before he grabs her people will say unnecessary force. It's a tough situation and a no win for the cops.

The only outcome where they don't get blamed is if they only kill the perp. Easier said than done in those circumstances though.
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Originally Posted By drvillain⏩
ah so it takes an incident like this to say that cops need better training
a beat cop simply isnt gonna be able to have the proper training to handle such a situation (ie. a sniper), most they can do is try and deescalate till swat shows up, and when they have to go in fast, incidents like the op happen.



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Originally Posted By bov188⏩
They handled that really poorly but what do you expect in this day and age? Cops are under extreme scrutiny every time they pull the trigger so they hesitate and valuable seconds are lost
Lol @ durp durp logic

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"Drop the knife" ..... after both are dead laying lifeless on the ground.

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How ‘bout killing him before he takes a hostage?
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Originally Posted By RocknRollMuscle⏩
that's what happens when cops are afraid of shooting. Hope liberals are happy. They shot only when they had no choice and u saw what happened.

1980s lapd would've killed him first 5 seconds. #colors
A knife calls for lethal force in probably every department in the country. Ever heard of the Tueller drill? They wouldn’t have faced any scrutiny from their employer for shooting him solo with a blade in his hand. Who cares what the general public thinks, honestly.

I’m a concealed carrier, and I’d shoot someone if they came at me with even something as small as an x-acto. A well placed knife strike can kill faster than a bullet.

Now these guys have to live with the fact that they were completely ineffective and also killed an innocent person in the process when it could have been stopped sooner. Glad it’s not me.
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This is what happens when you preach about "unnecessary" force

This will just be another case study that will soon be forgotten.

"why cant you just shoot their kneecaps with beanbags?"
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So were their taser guns not charged or something???
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Tough situation to be in.
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So armchair quarterbacks...what should they have done differently?
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