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10-16-2018, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Boohooyoohoo⏩
Tragedy of the commons means those places will cease to exist if we leave them alone.This is nothing short of multiple homicide imo, a whole pack of apes... disgusting
And to all the people who say that killing wild animals isn't wrong because we eat domestic animals everyday, wild animals only account for 4% of mammal biomass... let that sink in and try to draw intelligent conclusions out of it
The few natural places that are left on earth should be left alone
And to all the people who say that killing wild animals isn't wrong because we eat domestic animals everyday, wild animals only account for 4% of mammal biomass... let that sink in and try to draw intelligent conclusions out of it
The few natural places that are left on earth should be left alone
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10-16-2018, 10:42 AM
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On a lighter note: That sad polar bear being an attraction to the savages of china has now been moved,
So, I mean, that's comforting I guess.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...mall-aquarium/
So, I mean, that's comforting I guess.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...mall-aquarium/
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10-16-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted By Boohooyoohoo⏩
this doesnt tell a story, other than we have a phuckload of cows and chickens to eat. what is the right number of wild mammals?Here is your proof:
Bar-On, Y. M., Phillips, R., & Milo, R. (2018). The biomass distribution on Earth. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 201711842.
Measured in carbon (C)
Humans are 0.06 Gt C, domesticated livestock 0.1 Gt C and wild animals 0.007 Gt C
0.007 Gt C / 0.167 Gt C * 100% is still 4% in my book.
Bar-On, Y. M., Phillips, R., & Milo, R. (2018). The biomass distribution on Earth. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 201711842.
Measured in carbon (C)
Humans are 0.06 Gt C, domesticated livestock 0.1 Gt C and wild animals 0.007 Gt C
0.007 Gt C / 0.167 Gt C * 100% is still 4% in my book.
better yet, what is the right number of humans?
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10-16-2018, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted By Boohooyoohoo⏩
I see it says measured in carbon, how exactly does this translate into them knowing exactly how many wild animals there are? Is this peer reviewed?Here is your proof:
Bar-On, Y. M., Phillips, R., & Milo, R. (2018). The biomass distribution on Earth. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 201711842.
Measured in carbon (C)
Humans are 0.06 Gt C, domesticated livestock 0.1 Gt C and wild animals 0.007 Gt C
0.007 Gt C / 0.167 Gt C * 100% is still 4% in my book.
I have also had this in university (I am a biologist, finished my bachelor's now doing a MSc. in Biology)
''Natural animals have not decreased'' humans have had a tremendous impact on wild life across the world! In the last 50 years especially.. entire species which have gone extinct due to e.g. habitat destruction
Newbold T, et al. (2015) Global effects of land use on local terrestrial biodiversity. Nature 520:45–50
Bar-On, Y. M., Phillips, R., & Milo, R. (2018). The biomass distribution on Earth. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 201711842.
Measured in carbon (C)
Humans are 0.06 Gt C, domesticated livestock 0.1 Gt C and wild animals 0.007 Gt C
0.007 Gt C / 0.167 Gt C * 100% is still 4% in my book.
I have also had this in university (I am a biologist, finished my bachelor's now doing a MSc. in Biology)
''Natural animals have not decreased'' humans have had a tremendous impact on wild life across the world! In the last 50 years especially.. entire species which have gone extinct due to e.g. habitat destruction
Newbold T, et al. (2015) Global effects of land use on local terrestrial biodiversity. Nature 520:45–50
10-16-2018, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
You are right I did not properly explain what I mean. I don't mean that it has to be entirely left alone. Ecotourism for example can bring in a lot of money for the local community, and if trophy hunters want to pay to kill 1 or 2 (not endangered) animals so be it, but don't disrupt an entire population of baboons by killing a large portion of them!Tragedy of the commons means those places will cease to exist if we leave them alone.
Do not conflate the goals of your methods with the results of your methods.
Do not conflate the goals of your methods with the results of your methods.
10-16-2018, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
Means cows , chcikens , and pigs, that are fed grain end up pooing a lot more than monkeys.I see it says measured in carbon, how exactly does this translate into them knowing exactly how many wild animals there are? Is this peer reviewed?
10-16-2018, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
Unfortunately measuring the impact on the carbon cycle is the best way at the moment to quantify, it is impossible to give absolute numbers of all wild animals. But don't you agree that these proportions are completely out of balance? Also, if you want to know the impact of humans you can compare the numbers of pre-human times vs the numbers now (which of course can only be estimated)I see it says measured in carbon, how exactly does this translate into them knowing exactly how many wild animals there are? Is this peer reviewed?
10-16-2018, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
I was like 14 and went to a rainbow trout pond in Colorado..Libs gonna start talking **** about fihsing next, how you're in no danger and you're guaranteed to beat the fish.
It was more like a pool.
I grew up around hunting(for food) and farmers, so got used to seeing animals Before being slaughtered or whatever.
I caught a few trout and ready to put em back and this hillbilly ran up saying it’s not catch and release, he’ll show me and my brother what to do.
Proceeds to bash their heads in with a pole on a tree stump. I was mortified. I was like dude wtf this is just messed up we left and didn’t pay .
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10-16-2018, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By MichelleLnne⏩
Well meaning lefties always make things worseUnaware
The National Post recently reported that management from Zimbabwe’s Bubye Valley Conservancy was considering a controversial move to cull upwards of 200 lions out of a rough population of 500 in order to ensure the reserve’s wildlife biodiversity.
It was also reported that since the growing calls to end trophy hunting, due in large part to the killing of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park last year, conservancies like Bubye are no longer seeing the funding necessary to adequately cover conservation costs, which includes fence maintenance, financing local schools and health clinics, and providing meat to local people.
It was also reported that since the growing calls to end trophy hunting, due in large part to the killing of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park last year, conservancies like Bubye are no longer seeing the funding necessary to adequately cover conservation costs, which includes fence maintenance, financing local schools and health clinics, and providing meat to local people.
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10-16-2018, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
http://animalrightscoalition.com/doc...ing_report.pdfyou like to talk out your ass about all sorts of things you are clueless about don't you? please show me evidence that an arrow won't kill an animal just as fast as a bullet with a well-placed shot. I'll wait
Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
There's no way you'restillupset, surely?That guy is one of a number of people on this forum who constantly talks out of his ass. I can understand why people who perceive people smiling near animal carcasses to be callous characters but that (as Vexidi said) is your personal experience which doesn't necessarily track reality.
I loved buying meat from hunters when I could, and the hunters I know have a lot more respect for rules and regulations than dumfukks that go into those areas and leave litter all over the place. I used to have a problem with hunting until I informed myself by going with them and buying meat from them. That changed everything. I have a whole world of respect for legal hunting.
I loved buying meat from hunters when I could, and the hunters I know have a lot more respect for rules and regulations than dumfukks that go into those areas and leave litter all over the place. I used to have a problem with hunting until I informed myself by going with them and buying meat from them. That changed everything. I have a whole world of respect for legal hunting.
10-16-2018, 11:15 AM
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10-16-2018, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Boohooyoohoo⏩
there's no such thing as balance. current ecosystem is out of balance of north american megafauna relative to the pleistoncene. the earth is out of balance in terms of sauropods relative to the jurrasic period.But don't you agree that these proportions are completely out of balance?
edit- with respect to the 7b human population which has changed the face of the globe, animals should be preserved and managed, not left to their own devices. an effective management tool is hunting. its important not to ignore an effective tool because of one's emotions.
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10-16-2018, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Coachbombay⏩
I remember the social media outrage over Cecil the lion. Someone asked an African woman if she was upset over it and she replied "I've never heard of Cecil. What makes this lion so special? Lions are killed everyday in Africa"People should really follow up on Ricky Gervais' lion friends from 2015 before throwing another hissy fit.
10-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
Giraffes and Leopards are not over populated, hence not cull animals.most of these were probably cull animals. no big deal. you can pretty much guarantee the meat was consumed by the locals.
10-16-2018, 11:29 AM
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ive had a heart shot on a doe and the doe ran probably 15 yards. the shot was so dead nuts, that the heart had partially come out of the deers rib cage (deer was quartered away). have no clue how its body functioned at all, pure adrenaline. it dropped extremely dead in probably 1 mississippi
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10-16-2018, 11:32 AM
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10-16-2018, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
1. Ok1. that article doesn't say cite a source from the last 20 years
2. the issues raised in that article are the same as with hunting with a gun. Bad shot placement ends up wounding animals.
3. bows have greatly changed in the past 40 years. arrows are now carbon. we now have rangefinders. In short, those studies are invalid today.
4. the article States an instantaneous death is desired. Even with a heart shot deer the deer doesn't die instantly the only case you're getting a instantaneous death is with a complete cranial evacuation..
5. a lots of firearms owners don't shoot for the vitals because they don't want meat damage. those animals die a slow agonizing death. archers always aim for the vitals.
6. that article says nothing about the efficacy of an archery arrow with a Broadhead through the vitals versus a bullet.
2. the issues raised in that article are the same as with hunting with a gun. Bad shot placement ends up wounding animals.
3. bows have greatly changed in the past 40 years. arrows are now carbon. we now have rangefinders. In short, those studies are invalid today.
4. the article States an instantaneous death is desired. Even with a heart shot deer the deer doesn't die instantly the only case you're getting a instantaneous death is with a complete cranial evacuation..
5. a lots of firearms owners don't shoot for the vitals because they don't want meat damage. those animals die a slow agonizing death. archers always aim for the vitals.
6. that article says nothing about the efficacy of an archery arrow with a Broadhead through the vitals versus a bullet.
2. The point is that it's much more likely with a bow (which was my original point). Maybe I didn't articulate that well enough. The damage done with a bow compared to a gun is different as well. The animal is much more likely to survive and suffer with a misplaced bow shot than a misplaced rifle shot.
3. The fact that bows are made out of different material and some hunters use rangefinders does not change the inherent problems with bow hunting.
4. A shot to the heart will stop the heart instantaneously (barring miracles). They probably could have worded it better. An animal will notdieinstantaneously but it will lose consciousness instantaneously. I would class a shot to the heart as an instantaneous death, because the animal would not suffer at all.
5. Meat becomes tainted when animals die a slow and painful death because they release a stress enzyme. What are you talking about?
6. I did not say anything about this.
10-16-2018, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
Well you can be sure people see similar pictures with "normal" animals and get pissed off. The average nobody hunter isn't going to care about that, but it's a different story for people elected to these commissions by state senates. These are ambassadors for the sport, they shouldn't be doing chit that compromises it"It's his fault some people got upset by something he posted"
lmao you kidding. Get outta here. Turn off the computer if you mad, don't ruin his life.
lmao @ the people ITT saying "well everyone's mad about his photos" nah nobody would give a fuk if he did this with deer or anything. They'd give one glance than move on with their day. Considering there's photos like these plastered all over instagram with "normal" animals
lmao you kidding. Get outta here. Turn off the computer if you mad, don't ruin his life.
lmao @ the people ITT saying "well everyone's mad about his photos" nah nobody would give a fuk if he did this with deer or anything. They'd give one glance than move on with their day. Considering there's photos like these plastered all over instagram with "normal" animals
This is what one former commissioner said:
And here's another hunter
10-16-2018, 01:46 PM
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If anyone seriously doesn't think these people are well on their way to being full blown psychopaths theyare morons.
-Hunting for pleasure.. Check
-Bringing back parts of said body as "trophy".. Check
You know who also did those things?
Serial Killers.
Hope these pieces of chit like being in talks witht he names of Bundy and Al Gein. Because I can guarantee you if you outlawed trophy hunting, these people would need to get their fix in somehow.
-Hunting for pleasure.. Check
-Bringing back parts of said body as "trophy".. Check
You know who also did those things?
Serial Killers.
Hope these pieces of chit like being in talks witht he names of Bundy and Al Gein. Because I can guarantee you if you outlawed trophy hunting, these people would need to get their fix in somehow.
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10-16-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Exactly, reppedThis is really the issue. It'd be gross if it was a bunch of livestock, too.
"LOL, made the mom watch her baby die. Here's the dead baby sitting in her dead lap."
I've had to go full Purge on furry yard pests before, but it's just a chitty thing you have to do. This dude seems specifically excited that he wiped out a bunch of relatives, and it's weird as hell.
...and for those saying "but he's the GAME commissioner", two former commissioners, both presumably appointed by Republicans, were among the first to call for his resignation when they got the email, specifically because it's poor sportsmanship and a game commissioner should know better. This guy's CPU ain't seated properly, and there are people with better judgment who could use his job.
"LOL, made the mom watch her baby die. Here's the dead baby sitting in her dead lap."
I've had to go full Purge on furry yard pests before, but it's just a chitty thing you have to do. This dude seems specifically excited that he wiped out a bunch of relatives, and it's weird as hell.
...and for those saying "but he's the GAME commissioner", two former commissioners, both presumably appointed by Republicans, were among the first to call for his resignation when they got the email, specifically because it's poor sportsmanship and a game commissioner should know better. This guy's CPU ain't seated properly, and there are people with better judgment who could use his job.
10-16-2018, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
Came into to say something similar. This is probably like Cecil the Lion. SJWs lost their chit over him but the locals were stoked over itmost of these were probably cull animals. no big deal. you can pretty much guarantee the meat was consumed by the locals.
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Originally Posted By Thunder999⏩
How it usually works is that animals are identified by locals in charge of managing them as being a problem animal for various reason such as being older in age and have reached the end of their span of producing offspring so now they are just taking up resources without doing anything to grow or sustain the herd, pack, or whatever it may be.Giraffes and Leopards are not over populated, hence not cull animals.
The decision is then made to remove the animal so they sell that opportunity for relatively large sums of money, for the locals, to kill an animal they need removed anyway. It's not just a free for all where you show up and shoot the first one you see. These are usually closely managed where they take you out to the one that they want killed.
10-16-2018, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Locals out there are too concerned with daily survival to worry about celebrity lions. Fortunately for them, us Westerners have moved so far beyond survival that we can worry about their wildlife for themCame into to say something similar. This is probably like Cecil the Lion. SJWs lost their chit over him but the locals were stoked over it
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10-16-2018, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Foxmulder0⏩
Serial killers typically torture the animals and God knows what else... they like the pain the animals are in...If anyone seriously doesn't think these people are well on their way to being full blown psychopaths theyare morons.
-Hunting for pleasure.. Check
-Bringing back parts of said body as "trophy".. Check
You know who also did those things?
Serial Killers.
Hope these pieces of chit like being in talks witht he names of Bundy and Al Gein. Because I can guarantee you if you outlawed trophy hunting, these people would need to get their fix in somehow.
-Hunting for pleasure.. Check
-Bringing back parts of said body as "trophy".. Check
You know who also did those things?
Serial Killers.
Hope these pieces of chit like being in talks witht he names of Bundy and Al Gein. Because I can guarantee you if you outlawed trophy hunting, these people would need to get their fix in somehow.
if this guy was a serial killer or a potential one- he would not be happy with just shooting the animal and I’m assuming he would want to have a ritual from start to finish and that it would be something he’d want to do in private.
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10-16-2018, 03:40 PM
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I've been to Namibia before. Its a neighboring country of my country. Its got beautiful wildlife. This breaks my heart. I wanna kill him. If he crossed the border into my Botswana, the government would butcher his ass to shreds. I hope he goes to hell where he belongs. Poor helpless creatures
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Originally Posted By CheeseFreak⏩
According to google, Botswana is lifting the ban on hunting- or working on itI've been to Namibia before. Its a neighboring country of my country. Its got beautiful wildlife. This breaks my heart. I wanna kill him. If he crossed the border into my Botswana, the government would butcher his ass to shreds. I hope he goes to hell where he belongs. Poor helpless creatures
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