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post 1565739981 11-08-2018, 03:21 PM
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I have family working for the Ventura Sheriff's dept. that reside in Thousand Oaks. I'm so numb to this chit at this point. Even when it's close to home it's like same chit different day.
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I got in an argument with a college buddy of mine on this and he told me to **** off lol. I told him to just tell me he wanted an outright ban of firearms and get over it. Somehow I was the inflexible one here.
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
Here in the UK in places like London our violent crime rate is out of control n we have no guns to defend ourselves. A kid with a knife on the street (illegal to be caught carrying a knife in the UK) is like Thanos, unstoppable. They can literally go on a spree n we have no recourse.

Violent people do violent things, if no guns they'll just get them illegally or use cars (like the snackbars) or knives.

They've banned knives being delivered now to peoples homes in the UK.

There is no deterrence from crime without guns in the UK, absolutely none.

If you want to fix violence focus on the family and early life at home.

Keep your guns or you'll end up cucked
The amount of mass killing events in the UK is nowehere even close to the degree of mass killings in the US.. probably because a guy with a knife or sword can be subdued much more easily than someone with a gun. You cant equate a knife/sword to a gun brah.
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post 1565740421 11-08-2018, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Dirtymanjames⏩
Why do mass shootings happen so frequently in the USA?

Especially compared to other first world countries?
Culture of ignorance, culture of violence, and mass proliferation of weapons.

Bureaucratic negligence at the hands of state and federal government(s) as well. There are too many agencies/departments both state and federally to ever properly keep track of potentially dangerous individuals especially if they're moving around. The current system will NEVER stop these shootings from happening. Each state has state and municipal police forces, health institutions, and military branches in addition to federal offices for institutions like the FBI, NSA, NRA, etc etc. Multiply that by 50 states and expect them all to share red flags about potentially dangerous individuals. To ALL the firearms dealers. There's a reason why the background checks are a joke in the US and why the shooters are almost always known to police or health authorities somewhere after they've already blasted off. There has to be a single centralized reporting centre when it comes to firearms in the country or these people will just continue to walk through the grand canyon sized cracks in public safety.
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Compared to the rest of the civilized world we don't have any higher death rate in regards to mass shootings. What I think is crazy is how comparatively few we have compared to the amount of guns we have.
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post 1565740451 11-08-2018, 03:26 PM
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Every single person in the USA over 21 should have a gun on them.
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post 1565740491 11-08-2018, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
How come they dont happen in australia or japan where there are no guns?
Lol @ comparing the US to Australia and Japan.

Far more homogeneous than the US for one and for two, they don't share borders with any other countries.
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post 1565740551 11-08-2018, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By CulturalDecay⏩
Yeah? How are those laws working out for the blacks in Chicago?

Or is it possible....just maybe, criminals don't care about ANY laws.

Also, what you don't see reported, is that lives SAVED from defensive use of firearms is magnitudes more than lives lost from gun crime.

Additional to that, it's also a philosophical viewpoint, that if my life is in danger, I'm not going to put MY LIFE in the hands of the state and wait 5-10 minutes for them to come save me, even IF it was illegal, I'd kill somebody in defense of myself or others on my property.

How much of a sheep must you be to not strongly support the 2nd amendment?
So I guess we just shouldn't have any laws at all then eh?

& If lives saved are not reported and there are no stats/data available, then how can you say it is magnitudes more than guns being used for crime lol? It goes both ways btw, not all guns used in crime are reported either. We only know what we know, and current statistics show guns are used about 10x more for crime than they are for self-defense.
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post 1565740671 11-08-2018, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Antonio519⏩
Only autistic gun nuts make this argument

It doesn't matter if a state outlaws guns if you can get it form the next state over

How many mass shootings do you hear of in WHOLE countries with strict gun laws

It doesn't even matter anymore, there are too many idiots with guns in the country already, it would make it impossible to get rid of them
You're the autist, since there are in fact entire countries with guns banned and extremely high crime, and entire countries with extremely high gun ownership and almost non-existent gun violence.

Time to drop the CNN script, bud.

Also it's not like the US has a hard time keeping things from coming in from Mexico at all. We're doing a great job at keeping 180 lb objects out. Surely it'll work for tiny 1 lb objects, right?

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post 1565740811 11-08-2018, 03:31 PM
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[QUOTE=MyBaddBrah post_id=1565740671]You're the autist, since there are in fact entire countries with guns banned and extremely high crime, and entire countries with extremely high gun ownership and almost non-existent gun violence.

Time to drop the CNN script, bud.

Also it's not like the US has a hard time keeping things from coming in from Mexico at all. We're doing a great job at keeping 180 lb objects out. Surely it'll work for tiny 1 lb objects, right?

[img]http://i.imgur.com/SvGyTWu.gif[/ig][/QUOTE]Name another 1st world country with as many mass shootings

brb walking into school, churches, bars/clubs and shooting up the place

Sure you can say there is crime in 3rd world **** holes but then you're also comparing the US to 3rd world ****holes
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post 1565740851 11-08-2018, 03:31 PM
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Almost every rampage killer in the West, whether they used a gun or not, whether they were a Christian, Muslim or atheist, has had a history of drug use. Usually legally prescribed SSRI anti-depressants but also steroids and cannabis. But according to conventional wisdom mind and mood altering drugs can't possibly be linked to senseless acts of ultra-violence. The link must be the weapon used. Or poverty. Or some such thing.
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OP ask yourself,

Will A person that has the will to acquire a gun to harm others be effected by gun control?

Can you smoke weed if you wanted to, even though its banned?
If you wanted to, Can you acquire coke even tho its illegal?

Is it possible to kill without a gun?




If you answered yes to all Of those, then stfu mate.
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Originally Posted By Antonio519⏩
Name another 1st world country with as many mass shootings
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I'll take guns with mass shootings over three degenerates breaking into my house at night while I get to sit there thumb up my ass defenseless.

Not to mention the entire reason the founding fathers wanted the people to have them was self protection from a tyrannical government.... I wouldn't trust our federal government to wipe my ass properly
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Originally Posted By Antonio519⏩
Name another 1st world country with as many mass shootings
You completely ignored the argument. Name another 1st world country with the right to bear arms since its inception..
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post 1565741071 11-08-2018, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
because it doesn't happen nearly as often. I'd bet statistically for every 1 mass shooting stopped by a good guy, 10 are carried out successfully by a bad guy
If you only focus on firearms used to prevent mass shootings then you may be correct. But firearms aren't carried only to prevent mass shootings, they are used in many different situations.
Newspapers don't report on firearms being used for good because it never gets reported to them and it happens so often. You'll never hear about them. But if you ban firearms then those incidents will get reported because it may end in a murder of the good guys.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
The amount of mass killing events in the UK is nowehere even close to the degree of mass killings in the US.. probably because a guy with a knife or sword can be subdued much more easily than someone with a gun. You cant equate a knife/sword to a gun brah.
So your willing ban guns to try and stop mass killings, and as long as its smaller violent events, (not less & possibly more, just smaller events) which don't make national headlines you're okay with that?

You know just a single stabbing... No big deal. Fck that person's right to live and defend themselves.


Real question why do you NOT need a firearm?
- Are you 100% sure an armed violent person wont try to do you or a loved one harm?
- Are you 100% sure the government will always provide protection? (it alrdy doesn't, so the answer to this one is no)
- Are you 100% sure no one will ever try to take things from you out of greed or desperation & possibly willing to kill you over it?
- Are you 100% sure some sick person wont ever carry out some sick violent fantasies on you or a loved one?

The answer to all of them is no. And because of that, every living person has a right to defend themselves.
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Originally Posted By JIGSAW⏩
Every single person in the USA over 21 should have a gun on them.
dont the swiss keep their musket after serving? i know theres like 6 of them, but still.
i know in former yugoslavia, all soldiers got to keep a service pistol and sometimes a rifle. they credit this for preventing an outright overnight genocide.
and this is the only reason i support civilian gun ownership, to stop or atleast hinder an autistic presidents executive order to establish a dictatorship.
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Stupid Americans love to debate about whether or guns are the problem while they IGNORE the fact that their country is such a failed state, their way of life is so sickening and unnatural that it causes numerous people to lose it and murder each other. The gun doesn’t matter, the fact that you have someone driven to do this matters, because your type of society does not work.

Most of you are so far gone that you take it as a given that there will always be “crazy” people or people who lose it.. but it’s not normal at all, crazy people are the result of a crazy society and that is what we have in the US.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
The amount of mass killing events in the UK is nowehere even close to the degree of mass killings in the US.. probably because a guy with a knife or sword can be subdued much more easily than someone with a gun. You cant equate a knife/sword to a gun brah.
In the final three years of the 19th century, when guns were freely available in Britain, there was only one gun homicide recorded across all of the country's hospitals per year. So 3 gun homicides in 3 years. Today there are around 60 per year despite much stricter gun laws.
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Originally Posted By SnowEh⏩
If you only focus on firearms used to prevent mass shootings then you may be correct. But firearms aren't carried only to prevent mass shootings, they are used in many different situations.
Newspapers don't report on firearms being used for good because it never gets reported to them and it happens so often. You'll never hear about them. But if you ban firearms then those incidents will get reported because it may end in a murder of the good guys.
I see your point, and I'm not pushing to necessarily ban firearms because I think that would create havoc at this point since there are so many in circulation now after letting the firearm cancer to spread for so long. I just want stricter regulations/public safety measures implemented towards them such as smart gun technology requirements, which would allow good guys to keep their guns and (most) bad guys from accessing them.
Originally Posted By DIREALBOSS⏩
Stupid Americans love to debate about whether or guns are the problem while they IGNORE the fact that their country is such a failed state, their way of life is so sickening and unnatural that it causes numerous people to lose it and murder each other. The gun doesn’t matter, the fact that you have someone driven to do this matters, because your type of society does not work.

Most of you are so far gone that you take it as a given that there will always be “crazy” people or people who lose it.. but it’s not normal at all, crazy people are the result of a crazy society and that is what we have in the US.
Oh I agree we have many problems in our society... guns are just one of them
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Originally Posted By myronglutesbrah⏩
I'll take guns with mass shootings over three degenerates breaking into my house at night while I get to sit there thumb up my ass defenseless.

Not to mention the entire reason the founding fathers wanted the people to have them was self protection from a tyrannical government.... I wouldn't trust our federal government to wipe my ass properly
As an Aussie i never understood this. I get that you guys want freedom to be armed but to protect yourself from government?... yeah good luck with that

How about nukes? Atleast you may stand a chance against the US military juggernaut from your lil 2 bedroom apartment.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
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need to eject California into the ocean before more of them infest the U.S., these sacks of shyt ruined their state and now they don't want to deal with the very same problems they voted FOR.
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
I got in an argument with a college buddy of mine on this and he told me to **** off lol. I told him to just tell me he wanted an outright ban of firearms and get over it. Somehow I was the inflexible one here.
Got a friend that went to University of Texas. Gonna see him next month for the first time in years and judging by FB, he's the same mentality as your buddy.

Universities are borderline indoctrination facilities.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
I see your point, and I'm not pushing to necessarily ban firearms because I think that would create havoc at this point since there are so many in circulation now after letting the firearm cancer to spread for so long. I just want stricter regulations/public safety measures implemented towards them such as smart gun technology requirements, which would allow good guys to keep their guns and (most) bad guys from accessing them.



Oh I agree we have many problems in our society... guns are just one of them
smart gun tech doesn't work
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Originally Posted By aal04⏩
As an Aussie i never understood this. I get that you guys want freedom to be armed but to protect yourself from government?... yeah good luck with that

How about nukes? Atleast you may stand a chance against the US military juggernaut from your lil 2 bedroom apartment.
You don't take over a populace using nukes. And you don't understand as an Aussie because most of you were SENT to Oz and the British grew tired of ruling and ALLOWED you to rule yourselves.

America began as people LEFT England, and then had to FIGHT to rule ourselves. That's where it originates.
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Originally Posted By cojones539⏩
I see your point, and I'm not pushing to necessarily ban firearms because I think that would create havoc at this point since there are so many in circulation now after letting the firearm cancer to spread for so long. I just want stricter regulations/public safety measures implemented towards them such as smart gun technology requirements, which would allow good guys to keep their guns and (most) bad guys from accessing them.
To be fair "Smart" technology is quite the joke when it comes to security. Especially the last "Smart gun" they tried. lel


I wouldn't trust an AI to drive me in this lifetime, I also wont allow some computer chip to let me discharge my firearm, they alrdy have safeties.



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Even with shootings like this, I still support our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bare arms.
Originally Posted By Antonio519⏩
Name another 1st world country with as many mass shootings

brb walking into school, churches, bars/clubs and shooting up the place

Sure you can say there is crime in 3rd world **** holes but then you're also comparing the US to 3rd world ****holes
So no doubt " mass shootings" are a terrible tragedy, but is it the fact that they are "mass" events that makes them so much worse than an over all higher crime rate?

The UK for sure has less mass shootings now with stricter gun laws, but the over all violent crime rate has gone up. BRB more likely to be stabbed to death than shot now, I feel so much safer.



BRB the police won't be there to help protect me either, so I am proper fu*ked without a means of defending myself.
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Originally Posted By Sarevoke75⏩
Shootings will happen regardless if you take away gun ownership.

We don't need a ban, just make it harder for the non-trained and the uneducated in gun safety to buy them.
Obviously for the first few decades or so. Then guns will slowly disappear. Will be difficult with a 350m population but it'll happen eventually. Or you just learn to live with a few mass shootings every year forever. Either a generation or two takes the sacrifice to be unarmed and hope others don't have guns illegally or shootings like this will continue.
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