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post 1566552131 11-18-2018, 01:06 PM
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Eating clean vs IIFYM

Can somebody please enlighten me once and for all as to why do so many people throw around the term "clean bulking" as if you somehow by eating clean foods you will put on no fat. I don't understand how can someone not count their calories and just "eat clean" and put on size because I guarantee you I would make 0 progress whatsoever and gain no weight if I didn't count my calorie intake. This applies to cutting aswel. I've had cuts where I got very lean and all I did was watch my calorie intake and protein intake and it's not like I ate junk food all the time but I was nowhere near to that cookie cutter chicken, rice and eggs all day long bullchit.

My question is why do people still insist that it's impossible to have a good prep for example unless you eat these bro foods, I understand that for example the last weeks of prep it gets more intense with the carb,sodium intake and water manipulation but otherwise I don't see a reason why I couldnt just eat whatever the phuck I want and watch my calories and macros. Is it that "dirty foods" make you somehow more bloated or some chit or why do people insist on eating chicken and rice multiple meals a day and basically suffer, instead of just eating what they want IIFYM style and getting the same results?
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post 1566552461 11-18-2018, 01:10 PM
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IIFYM was a meme fad diet of around 2013, just like keto and IF are more recently
Also are you talking about a bb prep lol
And 1k cal of pizza/junk food has chit macros compared to rice and chicken, idk what is your question op here are u a fuking potato rly
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Because most people are broscientiest doing what the big guy tells them too.

Honestly, clean cutting is more important as cutting is about satiation. Bulking is just about staying at +300 cals while hitting protein macros.
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
IIFYM was a meme fad diet of around 2013, just like keto and IF are more recently
Then how come it works? All that matters when putting on or losing weight is your calorie/macro intake. It's not as if by eating "clean foods" you are magically going to put on all this lean mass. Especially all these twinks with sky high metabolism that ask you how to put on weight and then tell you they eat rice chicken and oats and even though they eat loads of it they still end up not making any progress because they are eating poverty level calories due to all the low calorie dense food.
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post 1566552951 11-18-2018, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Then how come it works? All that matters when putting on or losing weight is your calorie/macro intake. It's not as if by eating "clean foods" you are magically going to put on all this lean mass. Especially all these twinks with sky high metabolism that ask you how to put on weight and then tell you they eat rice chicken and oats and even though they eat loads of it they still end up not making any progress because they are eating poverty level calories due to all the low calorie dense food.
I eat "clean foods" and put on 25lb since april
With "clean bulking" you are still gonna put on fat along with muscle, same if you cut on 1500cals of pizza only, you will lose weight but you will look like chit compared if you did chicken and rice
I think you dont know basics of nutrition
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the fact is that unrefined foods are bulkier and make cuts less brutal. tend to be higher in micros as well.

if you are cutting, you will logically be driven to these foods. if you can cut on a couple slices of pizza and then intense hunger for the rest of the day, go right ahead

for me, everything i'm eating during this cut has the lowest caloric density possible so that the overall food volume can be the highest
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post 1566553421 11-18-2018, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
I eat "clean foods" and put on 25lb since april
With "clean bulking" you are still gonna put on fat along with muscle, same if you cut on 1500cals of pizza only, you will lose weight but you will look like chit compared if you did chicken and rice
I think you dont know basics of nutrition
I think you don't understand what I am talking about. You can still hit your 1g/lb BW eating junk food and hit your daily calorie and I could almost guarantee you there would be no diference in your physique (apart from maybe some water retention) than eating "clean". And yes you can bulk on "clean foods" just like you can bulk on anything but all that matters in the end is your overall calorie intake and your macros. So my question was why torture yourself eating bro foods when you could hit the same macros/calories and actually add some variety to your diet.

Also I have had very succesful cuts and bulks in the past on IIFYM so I think I do understand how it works.
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post 1566553431 11-18-2018, 01:24 PM
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Eating clean means eating foods that have a good nutritional profile. You still need to eat the right amount of cals to put on weight. It's not complicated rly
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post 1566553651 11-18-2018, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
I think you don't understand what I am talking about. You can still hit your 1g/lb BW eating junk food and hit your daily calorie and I could almost guarantee you there would be no diference in your physique (apart from maybe some water retention) than eating "clean". And yes you can bulk on "clean foods" just like you can bulk on anything but all that matters in the end is your overall calorie intake and your macros. So my question was why torture yourself eating bro foods when you could hit the same macros/calories and actually add some variety to your diet.

Also I have had very succesful cuts and bulks in the past on IIFYM so I think I do understand how it works.
No you cant, junk food has horrible nutrition profile compared to eating lean meat/rice/nuts/potatoes/pasta and similar
And you look dyel so you have no idea what you are talking about
Originally Posted By janglingjack⏩
Eating clean means eating foods that have a good nutritional profile. You still need to eat the right amount of cals to put on weight. It's not complicated rly
this in short
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post 1566553701 11-18-2018, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
the fact is that unrefined foods are bulkier and make cuts less brutal. tend to be higher in micros as well.

if you are cutting, you will logically be driven to these foods. if you can cut on a couple slices of pizza and then intense hunger for the rest of the day, go right ahead

for me, everything i'm eating during this cut has the lowest caloric density possible so that the overall food volume can be the highest
Yeah satiety and micronutriets are definetly a factor in how you feel and how easy it is for you to stick to your cut but my question was in terms of your actual physique and whether there would be any diference while cutting/bulking in these two approaches. From all the research and studies shown there shouldn't be any yet I see people torture themselves and suggesting these diets that are stupidly hard to stick to and just unnecessary.
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post 1566553831 11-18-2018, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Yeah satiety and micronutriets are definetly a factor in how you feel and how easy it is for you to stick to your cut but my question was in terms of your actual physique and whether there would be any diference while cutting/bulking in these two approaches. From all the research and studies shown there shouldn't be any yet I see people torture themselves and suggesting these diets that are stupidly hard to stick to and just unnecessary.
strictly speaking, no, if calories and macros are held constant, physique will be the same. i think the torture comes from the lack of food volume, not the blandness. i can eat bland food forever and not give a fukk at all (no vegan)
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Pros of eating clean:
-Generally better/more balanced micronutrients
-The food is less addicting so if you're cutting it's easier to not cheat

Pros of IIFYM:
-Taste
-Variety
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
No you cant, junk food has horrible nutrition profile compared to eating lean meat/rice/nuts/potatoes/pasta and similar
And you look dyel so you have no idea what you are talking about

this in short
Feel like I am talking to a retard. IF you hit your daily calories/macros eating whatever you want it will have no phucking diference. Macros are macros and calories are calories. Obviously I wasn't saying you can stuff yourself with pizza only all day long but you don't have to eat bro foods all day to get results.

Also phuck off calling me dyel you look like a bloated sack of chit and that is after god knows how much cell tech. Just LMAO
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post 1566554031 11-18-2018, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
IIFYM was a meme fad diet of around 2013, just like keto and IF are more recently
Also are you talking about a bb prep lol
And 1k cal of pizza/junk food has chit macros compared to rice and chicken, idk what is your question op here are u a fuking potato rly
God damn you might be the worst poster on here. Srs. Wish I could neg daily.
Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Feel like I am talking to a retard.
It's not a feeling...it's reality.
post 1566554041 11-18-2018, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
strictly speaking, no, if calories and macros are held constant, physique will be the same. i think the torture comes from the lack of food volume, not the blandness. i can eat bland food forever and not give a fukk at all (no vegan)
Thank you
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Feel like I am talking to a retard. IF you hit your daily calories/macros eating whatever you want it will have no phucking diference. Macros are macros and calories are calories. Obviously I wasn't saying you can stuff yourself with pizza only all day long but you don't have to eat bro foods all day to get results.
was a fad diet that everyone realised it doesnt work, you are the only idiot still doing it
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
was a fad diet that everyone realised it doesnt work, you are the only idiot still doing it
Sick physique and nice gyno mirin LMAO
Just LMAO at posting my physique after like 4 months of training. You trully are pathetic, just LOL. Please make another thread of you standing in a pool with that hunchback posture or bragging about your poverty bulk after sipping on that dere OJ.
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Just LMAO at posting my physique after like 4 months of training. You trully are pathetic, just LOL. Please make another thread of you standing in a pool with that hunchback posture or bragging about your poverty bulk after sipping on that dere OJ.
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
was a fad diet that everyone realised it doesnt work, you are the only idiot still doing it
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
in your avi you are full on twink mode, i revoke your slav card you fukking disgrace
I am a twink and you are a bloated fat piece of chit and not even natty just LOL at your existence. It's all downhill from here boyo, hope they let you misc in prison so we can all enjoy your retarded threads.
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
IIFYM was a meme fad diet of around 2013, just like keto and IF are more recently
Also are you talking about a bb prep lol
And 1k cal of pizza/junk food has chit macros compared to rice and chicken, idk what is your question op here are u a fuking potato rly
IIFYM is not a "diet". It simply states that it doesn't matter whether it's chicken and rice or pizza and burgers, if the macros are still the same, they will have the same effect on your composition.

If pizza/junk food has chit macros, then it doesn't fit your macros.

You have no clue what is going on you big, dumb, twice baked potato. Obviously it's harder to fit within your macros eating junky foods, but if you want to eat them and still fit them within your macro requirements, you are still going to make the same progress.
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
IIFYM is not a "diet". It simply states that it doesn't matter whether it's chicken and rice or pizza and burgers, if the macros are still the same, they will have the same effect on your composition.

If pizza/junk food has chit macros, then it doesn't fit your macros.

You have no clue what is going on you big, dumb, twice baked potato. Obviously it's harder to fit within your macros eating junky foods, but if you want to eat them and still fit them within your macro requirements, you are still going to make the same progress.
Don't bother, he's just gonna come back, talk about "mogging" this and that, then run off just as retarded as ever. He couldn't never wrap his head around something so simple.
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Some people are so clueless in feeding themselves they can literally only manage the chicken broc rice thing

Many believe in the magic of clean eating the way they believe in all.other fitness fads

IIFYM never did me any harm in lifting and bodyfat but who knows what diabetes and heart disease have in store for me down the road after my diet of meat and cake...?
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Originally Posted By melDorado⏩
Some people are so clueless in feeding themselves they can literally only manage the chicken broc rice thing

Many believe in the magic of clean eating the way they believe in all.other fitness fads

IIFYM never did me any harm in lifting and bodyfat but who knows what diabetes and heart disease have in store for me down the road after my diet of meat and cake...?
I've been doing IIFYM pretty much since I started lifting and although most of my foods would prolly still be considered "clean", I couldn't stand just eating the same chit every day for the rest of my life just looking forward to a cheat meal. I also don't see myself eating 4k calories worth of chicken and rice.
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eating like 80% "clean" is the answer, if you eat too much junk you will just be left nutritionally deficient and feeling hungrier
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
I've been doing IIFYM pretty much since I started lifting and although most of my foods would prolly still be considered "clean", I couldn't stand just eating the same chit every day for the rest of my life just looking forward to a cheat meal. I also don't see myself eating 4k calories worth of chicken and rice.
Yeh i exaggerate I do eat 3 healthy meals a day but that still leaves me with loads of cals to burn on candy cake and waffles hnngg
Couldn't eat enough otherwise..my appetites not the best

I'll be honest I eat the same foods a lot I'm kinda boring... but it makes it easier because I just roughly add up cals in my head can't be doing with weighing and logging chit
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
I think you don't understand what I am talking about. You can still hit your 1g/lb BW eating junk food and hit your daily calorie and I could almost guarantee you there would be no diference in your physique (apart from maybe some water retention) than eating "clean". And yes you can bulk on "clean foods" just like you can bulk on anything but all that matters in the end is your overall calorie intake and your macros. So my question was why torture yourself eating bro foods when you could hit the same macros/calories and actually add some variety to your diet.

Also I have had very succesful cuts and bulks in the past on IIFYM so I think I do understand how it works.
A lot of it depends on genetics/life-style. In general when you eat 'clean' foods you can eat maybe about 40% more food volume and have the same caloric/macro profile.



I will say that after following a loose version of Vertical Dieting I feel immensely better and have better skin. I can't even tell you the difference in digestion, a lack of gas, bloating, etc.
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I've had succesful cuts on IIFYM, but still prefer eating 80% clean and 20% whatever.

I can either have 3 slices of pizza or a 10oz chicken breast, cup of rice, and 3 servings of veggies for a similar caloric value (if not less). Not to mention I just feel overall better on a "clean" diet. Too much junk has me feeling tired and sluggish.
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Originally Posted By janglingjack⏩
Eating clean means eating foods that have a good nutritional profile. You still need to eat the right amount of cals to put on weight. It's not complicated rly
This.

I eat mostly clean with a cheat meal on weekends. It’s easier for me to eat my healthy food during the work week and I try to stay away from processed carbs because they make me feel crappy and sluggish.
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