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post 1566560211 11-18-2018, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted By LoganBrown⏩
I've had succesful cuts on IIFYM,but still prefer eating 80% clean and 20% whatever.
So, still IIFYM.

This isn't hard.
post 1566561751 11-18-2018, 03:28 PM
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Honestly, the best diet is where you eat most of your carbs post workout (~100 grams) and for the rest of your meals keep it meat(or some type of protein) and fruits/veggies/healthy nuts. If you walk to bulk, choose fatter cuts of meat in your meals. If you want to cut, keep the meat (or protein) lean. But always keep the fruits/veggies/healthy nuts consistent.And of course, drink plenty of water.
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post 1566562441 11-18-2018, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By alphatan⏩
I eat junk food almost everyday and still ripped... I don’t eat sugary food tho
This eating clean is just a meme for fitness nerds and competition bodybuilders
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post 1566562771 11-18-2018, 03:44 PM
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I eat clean as a whistle cutting because it cuts down bloat and is easier to track cals.

Bulking, not so much.. but I still pseudo try. Some go full retard. There’s a difference between eating three McDoubles for a meal, which has a decent macro spread, vs eating a box of donuts then trying to work the rest of your macros around that.
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post 1566562901 11-18-2018, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Then how come it works? All that matters when putting on or losing weight is your calorie/macro intake. It's not as if by eating "clean foods" you are magically going to put on all this lean mass. Especially all these twinks with sky high metabolism that ask you how to put on weight and then tell you they eat rice chicken and oats and even though they eat loads of it they still end up not making any progress because they are eating poverty level calories due to all the low calorie dense food.
It's just not true or else I would have seen abs in my life.
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post 1566563131 11-18-2018, 03:50 PM
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just track your cals brah, eat majority clean food then if you have enough cals left eat a donut or something. that's what i do anyways
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post 1566563351 11-18-2018, 03:54 PM
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Most people doing IIFYM for a longer period of time (not the "just started IIFYM guys! Look IG I'm eating fruit loops for dinner XDdddd" crowd) eat mostly clean anyway since it's better for you long term. I believe the 80/20 rule holds true for most people who want some flexibility in their diet, but still want to eat like adults and enjoy wholesome foods.
Personally I find no difference, the biggest difference in how I look comes from lifts > cals > macros > sodium/sugars/bloatyness > cardio > supposed "cleanliness" of food
It is difficult to bulk without eating calorie dense food though
post 1566563601 11-18-2018, 03:58 PM
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eat your vegetables op. srs
post 1566563671 11-18-2018, 03:59 PM
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I don’t think it would matter for cutting or bulking, but like Mel said if ur eating IIFYM style and tend to use “dirtier” foods just increaset health risks. But honestly It sounds like u don’t eat like dog chit on IIFYM so u don’t need to worry
post 1566568121 11-18-2018, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
It's just not true or else I would have seen abs in my life.
Or maybe you just can't count?
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post 1566608991 11-19-2018, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By webcam⏩
Most people doing IIFYM for a longer period of time (not the "just started IIFYM guys! Look IG I'm eating fruit loops for dinner XDdddd" crowd) eat mostly clean anyway since it's better for you long term. I believe the 80/20 rule holds true for most people who want some flexibility in their diet, but still want to eat like adults and enjoy wholesome foods.
Personally I find no difference, the biggest difference in how I look comes from lifts > cals > macros > sodium/sugars/bloatyness > cardio > supposed "cleanliness" of food
It is difficult to bulk without eating calorie dense food though
This. I follow IIFYM but still keep around 80% "clean eating". It can fit my macros and be clean still. Doesn't have to be either/or.
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post 1566609191 11-19-2018, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted By melDorado⏩
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In this day and age im shocked that there are still people that think they can eat whatever they want and as long as they stay under _____ calories, its all the same.

prayin for yall. as someone that has had to cut weight/gain weight for competitions, i wish you good luck boyos.
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post 1566611531 11-19-2018, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
In this day and age im shocked that there are still people that think they can eat whatever they want and as long as they stay under _____ calories, its all the same.

prayin for yall. as someone that has had to cut weight/gain weight for competitions, i wish you good luck boyos.
At the end of the day it's cals in vs cals out, obviously eating clean, whole foods is healthier and more satiating
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Originally Posted By WorldClassDBag⏩
At the end of the day it's cals in vs cals out, obviously eating clean, whole foods is healthier and more satiating
"more satisfying"

you tellin me baked chicken and rice is more satisfying than a big ass pizza, milkshake and brownies? you fukking nerd


EDIT - you said satiating...not satisfying. im not wearing my glasses, im tired and im in class..plz forgive me.
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post 1566611731 11-19-2018, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant⏩
I eat "clean foods" and put on 25lb since april
With "clean bulking" you are still gonna put on fat along with muscle, same if you cut on 1500cals of pizza only, you will lose weight but you will look like chit compared if you did chicken and rice
I think you dont know basics of nutrition
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post 1566612291 11-19-2018, 09:43 AM
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If are you tracking macros.... by default you will eat cleaner. Just because can fit in 200 calories worth of junk into your diet, doesnt mean you arent eating high quality food. Try hitting your macros on pizza.
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post 1566612671 11-19-2018, 09:48 AM
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are people still not understanding that IIFYM doesnt equal 'eat like chit' as long as you hit your macros? because you can't hit your macros on candy bars alone.

you're still eating clean/variety most of the time, while fitting whatever the hell you want 20%.

The only difference is you're not viewing it as a 'cheat meal' because it develops a negative relationship with food.

question: pro clean eaters/anti IIFYM love to talk about micronutrients. so tell me your numbers. what are your daily goals and how much are you actually getting per day. go ahead, i'll wait.
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post 1566612911 11-19-2018, 09:52 AM
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Honestly not that hard to have some common sense:

Eat clean most of the time. Hit your macros no matter what though.

Best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
In this day and age im shocked that there are still people that think they can eat whatever they want and as long as they stay under _____ calories, its all the same.

prayin for yall. as someone that has had to cut weight/gain weight for competitions, i wish you good luck boyos.
If you consume fewer calories than your body needs in a day, you will lose weight.

If you consume more calories than your body needs in a day, you will gain weight.


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post 1566613571 11-19-2018, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By WorldClassDBag⏩
At the end of the day it's cals in vs cals out, obviously eating clean, whole foods is healthier and more satiating
Cals in vs cals out is true for body weight, not for composition. You will look much better (and perform better0 if you eat 2000 cals a day of chicken,broc****,eggs,etc for three months than you will if you eat 2000 cals a day of pizza and chocolate cake for the same amount of time.


IIFYM is a bullsht meme just like Starting Strength.
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I'm in agreement with the 80/20 rule no matter what diet you're doing unless you're trying to get very shredded. Then it needs to be more 90/10.

That being said, clean eating is going to yield better results and performance. I've been training a long time and been through many different methods of eating. Nutrient dense and easily digested food will yield better results and gym performance 10/10 times.

Like others said IIFYM isn't an excuse to be a hog for 4 hours a day, and its also not necessary if you want to enjoy some cheat food on a cut. Just plan it strategically. Ideally after an intense session like legs or back.
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post 1566613781 11-19-2018, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Cals in vs cals out is true for body weight, not for composition. You will look much better (and perform better0 if you eat 2000 cals a day of chicken,broc****,eggs,etc for three months than you will if you eat 2000 cals a day of pizza and chocolate cake for the same amount of time.


IIFYM is a bullsht meme just like Starting Strength.
LOL show me where IIFYM says you can eat 2000 cals of pizza or only strictly eating 'junk food'.

you're still eating ''clean'' on IIFYM, but you're fitting in a treat here and there while still hitting your macros.

i can't believe some people still don't understand such a basic concept.
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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth⏩
are people still not understanding that IIFYM doesnt equal 'eat like chit' as long as you hit your macros? because you can't hit your macros on candy bars alone.

you're still eating clean/variety most of the time, while fitting whatever the hell you want 20%.

The only difference is you're not viewing it as a 'cheat meal' because it develops a negative relationship with food.

question: pro clean eaters/anti IIFYM love to talk about micronutrients. so tell me your numbers. what are your daily goals and how much are you actually getting per day. go ahead, i'll wait.
That's what I mean. Obviously when I say IIFYM and talk about calories are all that matters I mean calories and macros and lastly micros which I doubt have any direct impact on your physique apart from the way you feel, your immune system, etc...
What I find strange though is how come so many people still do these torture diets where all of their calories come from like 3 or 4 foods which they eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner and just look forward to having a cheat day where they end up binging.

My original point was whether calorie is really a calorie and macro a macro no matter what source it comes from? So in theory could you prep for a show eating KFC (not exclusively ofc) while still hitting your calories and macros? Or would you end up getting somehow worse results?
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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth⏩
LOL show me where IIFYM says you can eat 2000 cals of pizza or only strictly eating 'junk food'.

you're still eating ''clean'' on IIFYM, but you're fitting in a treat here and there while still hitting your macros.

i can't believe some people still don't understand such a basic concept.
Also this. I don't understand how when you say IIFYM people imagine you stuffing your face with pizza and burgers all day.
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eating clean is IIFYM, because it fits your fuking macros. IIFYM doesn't mean you eat like ****, if you eat like **** it isn't going to fit your macros unless your macros is 5k calories a day with 4k calories coming from fat and sugar.

look at it like this. if you eat healthy and "clean" the foods generally aren't very calorie dense so you will eat more and get full while hitting your macros. If you eat ****ty high calorie foods you will hit your macros much sooner and be hungry as fuk the rest of the day.

But eating icecream or pizza every once in a while won't kill you because it means you are cutting back on other carb/fat sources to make room for it. At the end of the day a calorie is a calorie.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
lol you really are doing all of them. Have you done the tom cruise vampire laugh yet?
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Originally Posted By BohemianSlav⏩
Also this. I don't understand how when you say IIFYM people imagine you stuffing your face with pizza and burgers all day.
They watch too much Kinobody.
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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth⏩
you're still eating ''clean'' on IIFYM,but you're fitting in a treat here and there while still hitting your macros.

i can't believe some people still don't understand such a basic concept.
Doesn't mean that either. The acronym started in the nutrition section years ago in response to dipshts asking, "can I eat x, y, x, on a cut/bulk". People would respond over and over that if something fit your macros for the day, it didn't make much difference. It turned into people just spamming "IIFYM."

It didn't have to be junk food. It could have been steak, fruit, etc. Only fuking idiots turned it into meaning eating treats or junk food regularly.
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