Poverty people will always breed. These chithole countries where they are constantly starving, going at it with local warlords, killing each other just to survive - they still find a way to have 10 kids.

he said having children is selfish so if none of these poverty people were selfish humans would cease to exist

hit me up in a year or two when you hit menopause and i'll risk-free rawdog you while wearing a fat suit

(pls be XX)

Won't live forever no matter what, logically, not the best reason to have kids.

Every single reason someone could have for wanting to have kids is selfish.

The main reason people don't adopt is because they're narcissists that only want to raise a mini version of themselves that looks just like them.

A lot of people have kids because they expect their kids to take care of them in old age and/or they fear being lonely.

Some people think so highly of themselves that they think they're doing the world a favor by having kids and instilling their values and beliefs on them. They vicariously live through them and force them to adopt their beliefs and interests rather than giving the children any agency. It feels really good to have full power and control over another vulnerable human being that depends on you for at least 18 years.

People don't use reason and logic when it comes to the decision of having kids, they just mindlessly follow their animalistic instincts and societal brainwashing.

Lolz.

Grew up poor in a single Mother household, rarely enough to eat, Christmas presents were new clothes etc.

Flash forward to having a Son:
High Honor Roll
Class President
Honor Society President
Captain of Soccer Team
1st or second in his class all through HS
MVP of debate club
Tells me: "Watch out Dad I'm gunning for your deadlift PR" (He's 60 lbs away & I'll just up it if he gets close)

Never had a Dad so vowed to be a good one to change the family bloodline. Did exactly that.

Selfish AF

Dude literally every single parent thinks their kid is something special.

Cool story op

I do not have the capacity to care for a child that is not my own. It is not in my nature. Hell I'm such a cold-hearted person that I really have no interest in playing with my niece's friends; just my niece.

Also on the subject of adoption I've heard of foster parents having to go through all kinds of chit with foster children. Sure not all are like that, but for a lot of them mental breakdowns are common. I ain't about that life inb4 negs.

Agree. Also my girlfriend is pregnant and I am super fukking stoked to be selfishly having a kid. U mad op?

I would be equally happy adopting and we agreed if we have another one it will be via adoption to pay for our sin of procreation.

Came in expecting a riveting discussion about The Selfish Gene by Dawkins.


Leaving rather disappointing.

Everybody is special fella.

















Everybody except you.

Yeah but how many kids deadlift 360 at 135 lbs? That's kind of a hard thing to chalk up to Dad pride.

Prove we have an overpopulation problem?

I completely agree for different reasons but your logic is retarded. What's your source of the Earth's overpopulation?

Some guys say that they want kids because they wanted someone to take care of them when they are old. It is a selfish reason. It is probably the main reason why parents abort female babies, and want to have sons, in countries like India and china. It like they want servants.
What is needed is good old age homes, and right to euthanasia for old people.

The worst thing about bringing kids in the western society now is that they will have to deal with the liberalism that will eventually spiral into a socialist chit show and eventual plutocracy. The United States and Europe are resilient enough to survive for now but the the children/grandchildren are phucked.

This, after a few generations your DNA is so insignificant

Are you resentful of your parents for giving you this life?

Potato logic

right, we need sons to create a new plague and fix everything....or something. ******* kids, when will they learn...

First of all, the overpopulation crisis is due to pretty specific groups of people and countries. For example, in the U.S., it's not middle class/upper class people who tend to have way too many children. Generally speaking, it's poor people who consistently make poor life choices like having 6+ kids they can't afford, and the social benefits/welfare systems enable it for that matter. Meanwhile, people in the middle class/upper middle class who tend to make better life choices overall do not qualify for such government handouts to assist with the ridiculous costs of raising children these days, so they are punished for their good choices by being forced to have fewer children than they may wish to in order to be able to properly pay for their various and numerous needs. Sorry, but it's not middle class/upper class people having 1-3 kids who are the cause of this issue, it's people who can't even afford to take care of any children at all popping them out like M&M's while expecting others to cover the tab for their terrible life choices.

Then in some other countries that are grossly overpopulated and continuing to become ever more so, there are cultural differences where having a boatload of kids is simply a way of life for them regardless of the circumstances. Many of the people in countries that have these overpopulation/poverty issues to the greatest extent won't even take advantage of free birth control and education if provided with it, as it goes against the culture of many of them. It's sad to say this, but the advancements in western medicine and charity programs such as food handouts are the primary cause of overpopulation in those countries actually becoming an issues these days whereas before it never was, as such outreach programs vastly increase life expectancy/survival rates there despite the countries having an extremely slow rate of advancement. Thus the weaker/unlucky ones keep piling up and adding to the issue that was once self-resolved by Mother Nature.

To your last point of adoption - I wouldn't say anything negative about people who adopt children, it can be a very great thing to do. That being said, who are you to say that certain people - generally speaking people who make solidly positive life choices that would even put them in a position to be able to consider adopting children besides having their own - are NOT to have children, but should in fact be picking up the slack of the endless plethora of YOLO babies that idiots are constantly popping out? Why exactly should I feel obligated to take some other goon's offspring and provide for them while simultaneously rejecting the idea of having any of my own as a "selfish" act? How about they quit having so many kids they can't/don't want to take care of so there isn't such a ridiculous amount of YOLO babies being born all the time? Thus, adoption would become what it's really meant for, which is a societal system to care for the offspring of unlucky kids whose parents weren't necessarily bad/irresponsible people, but something bad happened like they died in an accident or something and the child was left without their parents. I'm not going to bag on people for doing it, but in all reality, the idea that someone who is responsible/somewhat intelligent should outright reject the idea of having their own offspring whatsoever but should take responsibility for adopting legit YOLO babies is incredibly stupid - you're literally suggesting that we stamp out good/strong genes in favor of supporting the genes of irresponsible idiots.

How many children have YOU adopted, OP? Something tells me it's zero, because most people who would be willing to adopt and raise children that are not their own would be selfless enough not to be as insufferable as you are.

Basically this. 3:55ish



You need to see this if you havnt.

Here's the short version of things.

If you irresponsibly have any number of children that you can't or don't want to properly care and provide for, thus neglecting them/expecting others to pick up the tab for your lousy life choices, you are extremely selfish.

If you are responsible and have only as many children as you can comfortably provide/care for properly, and raise them to set them up for success the best that you possibly can, that is the exact opposite of selfishness. In fact, I'd argue that it's borderline selflessness.



Cliffs:

- Having YOLO babies due to irresponsible behavior is selfish.

- having children that you are both capable of and happy to properly raise and give a good upbringing to isn't selfish at all.

Based on your politics, it's almost guaranteed your kids will be low IQ trash living in trailer homes and eventually breeding with one another.

Even your grandkids wont give two chits about you, get out with that immortality bs

reasons to produce children:
biological point of life

reasons not to produce children:
??

incase someone negs u, be safe great post

stay safe pls

Spoken like a true corporate media whore. Not even going to bother addressing most of this trash, except to say that stats show that many kids in the middle and upper classes engage in all sorts of irresponsible behaviors--for example, illegal drug consumption, often at rates higher than lower class kids, but have the privileges and support system to avoid the consequences. Your statement about over population in Third World countries being due to Western charity is completely false and only illustrates that you've never read a book. Keep spouting trash though if it makes you feel superior.

Therapy is helping? Sounds like you are more positive.

Today was really bad because one member took his own life. We are working through it. Just seeing the impact he had on people is a reminder that all our lives can have value, and our negative thoughts can sometimes be distortions of reality.