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Thread: Trump has concealed details of his meetings with Putin from senior officials

post 1571062021 01-13-2019, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Well, to begin with Trump’s people tried to end sanctions:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white...s-putin-619508

Then Trump’s people tried to delay sanctions which Congress demanded:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HN20O

Now Trump’s people are trying to end or reduce sanctions against people like Deripaska under the pretense that the act of Deripaska giving up shares of his company to a Kremlin affiliated bank, also under sanctions, is sufficient to warrant the removal of sanctions against Deripaska’s company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/u...sia-trump.html

Then you have really strange incidents such as Trump repeating Russian propaganda about Afghanistan:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nistan/579361/

Then you have Trump trying to abruptly pulling out of Syria which is to the benefit of Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...ts-say-n950111

In general, Trump’s approach to foreign policy benefits Russia. Russia has no interest in the rules-based international order the United States and its allies built after WWII, organizations like NATO, the United Nations, the European Union and so on. All these things are obstacles to Russia. The thugs in charge of Russia do not care about Democracy, the Rule of Law, Individual Rights, and resolution of disputes with foreign countries through compromise and diplomacy, all the things citizens of Western countries take for granted. Trump doesn’t care about any of that.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
How fast trumper lines are forgotten - don’t you know Hillary was going to start ww3 with Russia?
Maybe not, but she was definitely going to escalate things in Syria.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Well, to begin with Trump’s people tried to end sanctions:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white...s-putin-619508

Then Trump’s people tried to delay sanctions which Congress demanded:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HN20O

Now Trump’s people are trying to end or reduce sanctions against people like Deripaska under the pretense that the act of Deripaska giving up shares of his company to a Kremlin affiliated bank, also under sanctions, is sufficient to warrant the removal of sanctions against Deripaska’s company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/u...sia-trump.html

Then you have really strange incidents such as Trump repeating Russian propaganda about Afghanistan:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nistan/579361/

Then you have Trump trying to abruptly pulling out of Syria which is to the benefit of Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...ts-say-n950111

In general, Trump’s approach to foreign policy benefits Russia. Russia has no interest in the rules-based international order the United States and its allies built after WWII, organizations like NATO, the United Nations, the European Union and so on. All these things are obstacles to Russia. The thugs in charge of Russia do not care about Democracy, the Rule of Law, Individual Rights, and resolution of disputes with foreign countries through compromise and diplomacy, all the things citizens of Western countries take for granted. Trump doesn’t care about any of that.
So he's a puppet for wanting to get out of Syria and Afghanistan?
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Originally Posted By AreolaBorealis⏩
can the left just drop the russian issue. i am so fuking tired of russia collusion no one gives a chit. he is the president he can do watever he wants. i hope he did collude with russia because i know it will keep all you libtards up at night frothing at the mouth
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post 1571064571 01-13-2019, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So he's a puppet for wanting to get out of Syria and Afghanistan?
Stop thinking in terms of it must be one thing or it must be another. There are many different things it could be.

I think we need more evidence to say he’s some sort of puppet.

I think we have sufficient evidence to suggest some things involving Trump are so strange they require serious investigation.

I also think a person can have more than one motivation for doing something. So Trump can have a legitimate desire to eliminate a US presence in Syria which is motivated by some particular rationale such as an isolationist foreign policy mindset, and also be influenced by Russia through kompromat.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Stop thinking in terms of it must be one thing or it must be another. There are many different things it could be.

I think we need more evidence to say he’s some sort of puppet.

I think we have sufficient evidence to suggest some things involving Trump are so strange they require serious investigation.

I also think a person can have more than one motivation for doing something. So Trump can have a legitimate desire to eliminate a US presence in Syria which is motivated by some particular rationale such as an isolationist foreign policy mindset, and also be influenced by Russia through kompromat.
During his campaign he wanted to get us out of Syria, now, you claim he's a Russian agent, so was Putin telling him to say this?

And go ahead, keep up with the bull**** investigation, its 2019, maybe this will be the year when something actually happens...
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
The whole thing was started on the back of a unverified dossier, why would anything that follows that be given legitimacy?
That’s false. It didn’t begin with the dossier, and you don’t need “verified” intelligence to begin a counter-intelligence investigation. The bar to begin such investigations is much lower than a criminal investigation. Just repeating the dossier is unverified over and over doesn’t really do anything for your argument. The judges who approved the FISA warrants know what intelligence is and understand how it’s collected

And if that’s not enough, what happened was, was that the USIC kept finding information like this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/muel...-with-spy.html

There is a reason the FISA warrants kept getting renewed, they kept finding more information indicating Russia and Trump campaign personnel may have been working together.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
And go ahead, keep up with the bull**** investigation, its 2019, maybe this will be the year when something actually happens...
Stop lying. A mountain of people have been charged so far, and you know it.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...p-charges.html

Repeating lies to yourself won't make them magically true.

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post 1571067821 01-13-2019, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
During his campaign he wanted to get us out of Syria, now, you claim he's a Russian agent, so was Putin telling him to say this?
I suspect the abrupt nature of the withdrawal — first pushed by Trump — and the firing of Mattis have something, although not everything, to do with Russia’s influence on Trump.

I also think Russia’s influence on Trump may extend further back than just the campaign.

I may be wrong. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
I suspect the abrupt nature of the withdrawal — first pushed by Trump — and the firing of Mattis have something to do with Russia’s influence on Trump. I may be wrong. Time will tell.
You're claiming that Putin is telling him to do all of this? Bold claims without proof.
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Originally Posted By LieutenantGains⏩
Stop lying. A mountain of people have been charged so far, and you know it.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...p-charges.html

Repeating lies to yourself won't make them magically true.

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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Well, to them I say they are mistaken. They don’t know how investigations work. Mueller’s team cannot invent things that don’t exist. If Trump did do something wrong and needs to be impeached the country will need his supporters and the support of Republican officials to help remove him.
Mueller can’t, but the people mueller interrogates can. It’s called composing, and mueller is currently being sued by people saying they were pressured to sign pleas with lies.

It’s simple— mueller is a continuation of the counterintelligence investigation. They had 4 fisas (Page, Flynn, manafort, papadapolus). Considering the 2 hip rule, ability to go back in time, etc... mueller had EVERYONEs communications. He didn’t need to present probable cause to a jury for communications, he was handed it from the start (based on fisa abuse, might I add).

Comey is allowed to lie through his teeth 100s of times saying he doesn’t remember, but team mueller can grill people for hours on hours about details of years old emails and conversations. Get any details wrong? Lying to the fbi charge. They used whatever leverage they could to get people to compose— financial ruin, legal ruin, etc. so far, it looks like Cohen, with his “trump committed campaign fraud to influence the election!!” Garbage is the only composing that has taken place. Most everyone else had principles and refused to lie for a reduced charge, etc. many theorize they threatened cohens family with charges, so he bent the knee.

But also consider what we know from vault 7.. they have technology to make any communication look like it came from anywhere. Think that doesn’t happen in real life?
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
I suspect the abrupt nature of the withdrawal — first pushed by Trump — and the firing of Mattis have something, although not everything, to do with Russia’s influence on Trump.

I also think Russia’s influence on Trump may extend further back than just the campaign.

I may be wrong. Time will tell.
The SSCI Dems have leaked everything possible to harm trump. Including stories that proved to be fake. Don’t you think if intel existed to really hurt trump, it would have come out years ago?

Don’t you think if mueller had real dirt on trump, he would have subpoenaed him and not excepted some written answers?

Don’t you think they would have moved MUCH quicker, so trump wouldn’t have had 2 SC nominations, and the amount of time he’s had to influence US and world politics?

If mueller had the goods on trump and Russia, and you try to reconcile the above, you’d have to consider mueller a coconspirator at this point with how he let trump get away for as long as he has.

But you know nothing that you say about this case is true. Sure, the report will be written to maximize political damage, but that’s been a given since the origins of the case was discovered. But a dem led house pushing for impeachment over nothing is just part of the game to influence 2020 and will not get trump out of office. The sooner you are honest with yourself, the better.
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
The SSCI Dems have leaked everything possible to harm trump. Including stories that proved to be fake. Don’t you think if intel existed to really hurt trump, it would have come out years ago?

Don’t you think if mueller had real dirt on trump, he would have subpoenaed him and not excepted some written answers?

Don’t you think they would have moved MUCH quicker, so trump wouldn’t have had 2 SC nominations, and the amount of time he’s had to influence US and world politics?

If mueller had the goods on trump and Russia, and you try to reconcile the above, you’d have to consider mueller a coconspirator at this point with how he let trump get away for as long as he has.

But you know nothing that you say about this case is true. Sure, the report will be written to maximize political damage, but that’s been a given since the origins of the case was discovered. But a dem led house pushing for impeachment over nothing is just part of the game to influence 2020 and will not get trump out of office. The sooner you are honest with yourself, the better.
"If Mueller had dirt on Trump, it would be revealed already" is the most retarded argument ever.

Give one example of a federal prosecutor releasing evidence to the public before the investigation is over with.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
So there have been no leaks from Mueller's office?
Mueller's office doesnt leak. If he did he'd be fired for misconduct. You dont think Trumps lawyers have their eye on any little misstep to capitalize on?

Manafort already filed a suit in court to dismiss his case alleging leaks coming from his office and it was thrown out.
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
"If Mueller had dirt on Trump, it would be revealed already" is the most retarded argument ever.

Give one example of a federal prosecutor releasing evidence to the public before the investigation is over with.
The Mueller investigation. Serious. Look at all of the media articles about what Mueller allegedly has on manafort and others (alleged ties to assange, etc.)

Corsi and others have said that Mueller has refused to show them what they actually have against them, they just say "you'll be locked up for a long time, etc." They try to intimidate, and then leak to the media (whether the info is real or not) to try to force people into pleas with wording favorable to their predetermined narrative.

We know the FBI was doing it to get the investigation going in the first place (circular reporting), and it appears team Mueller has been doing the same.

Seriously, we had leaks to the media with the unredacted fisa document, conversations with foreign officials, etc. Everything BUT Russian collusion. If it existed, it would have been leaked by now by someone. And if they had real proof that trump was a traitor, they wouldn't let him get away with written answers and they wouldn't have dragged their feet for 2 years with said proof only to allow trump to influence domestic and foreign policy.

The other piece of this is the fact that the Mueller investigation has provided cover to everyone involved in the fisa abuse and illegal surveillance of trump. Anytime these people went in front of congress, they simply said they couldn't answer these questions due to the investigation. Or "they forgot." We've since learned that horowitz and Huber haven't even been allowed to interview any of these witnesses. The slow walk of information to the house committee, the refusal to make house acquired testimony public, the refusal to declassify the FISA document-- same reason every time-- it may hurt Mueller's investigation. Mueller dragged his feet for 2 years, tried to get people to compose a narrative, largely failed outside of cohen, and now that the dems hold the house they will move forward with a politicized report. No indictment for trump, but you can get your sweet ass the dems will move forward with impeachment in the house regardless. It's all well orchestrated.
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
The Mueller investigation. Serious. Look at all of the media articles about what Mueller allegedly has on manafort and others (alleged ties to assange, etc.)

Corsi and others have said that Mueller has refused to show them what they actually have against them, they just say "you'll be locked up for a long time, etc." They try to intimidate, and then leak to the media (whether the info is real or not) to try to force people into pleas with wording favorable to their predetermined narrative.

We know the FBI was doing it to get the investigation going in the first place (circular reporting), and it appears team Mueller has been doing the same.

Seriously, we had leaks to the media with the unredacted fisa document, conversations with foreign officials, etc. Everything BUT Russian collusion. If it existed, it would have been leaked by now by someone. And if they had real proof that trump was a traitor, they wouldn't let him get away with written answers and they wouldn't have dragged their feet for 2 years with said proof only to allow trump to influence domestic and foreign policy.

The other piece of this is the fact that the Mueller investigation has provided cover to everyone involved in the fisa abuse and illegal surveillance of trump. Anytime these people went in front of congress, they simply said they couldn't answer these questions due to the investigation. Or "they forgot." We've since learned that horowitz and Huber haven't even been allowed to interview any of these witnesses. The slow walk of information to the house committee, the refusal to make house acquired testimony public, the refusal to declassify the FISA document-- same reason every time-- it may hurt Mueller's investigation. Mueller dragged his feet for 2 years, tried to get people to compose a narrative, largely failed outside of cohen, and now that the dems hold the house they will move forward with a politicized report. No indictment for trump, but you can get your sweet ass the dems will move forward with impeachment in the house regardless. It's all well orchestrated.
Again, Your retarded theory doesnt make any sense.

A defense team is ALWAYS looking for ways to get the prosecutors case dismissed. Trump's lawyers want any little excuse they can to file a motion to dismiss Mueller's entire case.

If Mueller's team leaked, Trump's team would file a suit.
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Again, Your retarded theory doesnt make any sense.

A defense team is ALWAYS looking for ways to get the prosecutors case dismissed. Trump's lawyers want any little excuse they can to file a motion to dismiss Mueller's entire case.

If Mueller's team leaked, Trump's team would file a suit.
So these news stories, the details of which could only arise from the special counsels office (think the manafort-assange BS, the BS about the bank records, etc.) weren't from the SC office... they were just purely made up by the media with fake "anonymous sources familiar with the investigation?"

The fake news is worse than even I thought. Wow.
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Again, Your retarded theory doesnt make any sense.

A defense team is ALWAYS looking for ways to get the prosecutors case dismissed. Trump's lawyers want any little excuse they can to file a motion to dismiss Mueller's entire case.

If Mueller's team leaked, Trump's team would file a suit.
And let's not forget what happens to leakers...

Does Wolfe ring a bell? You know, the SSCI staffer than leaked the entire unredacted FISA warrant to the media? The same one that dems said would be a threat to national security, the same one Rosenstein said if trump released he would hit him with an obstruction charge because it would impact the Mueller investigation?

First, the DOJ never even specifically mentioned that wolfe released the unredacted FISA. They hit him with a single charge of lying to the FBI, all of the dems in the SSCI wrote him glowing letters saying he didn't deserve prison (only after wolfe threatened to call them all to the stand as witnesses), and he got 3 months in jail. They did eventually slip and release a report where an agent specifically said he released the unredacted FISA, but by all intents and purposes, this was completely covered up and he got a gentle tap on the wrist instead of the felony he deserved.

But I'm sure a leaker from within team Mueller would be punished to the full extent of the law... since that is the precedent with everyone not on team trump... right...
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
And let's not forget what happens to leakers...

Does Wolfe ring a bell? You know, the SSCI staffer than leaked the entire unredacted FISA warrant to the media? The same one that dems said would be a threat to national security, the same one Rosenstein said if trump released he would hit him with an obstruction charge because it would impact the Mueller investigation?

First, the DOJ never even specifically mentioned that wolfe released the unredacted FISA. They hit him with a single charge of lying to the FBI, all of the dems in the SSCI wrote him glowing letters saying he didn't deserve prison (only after wolfe threatened to call them all to the stand as witnesses), and he got 3 months in jail. They did eventually slip and release a report where an agent specifically said he released the unredacted FISA, but by all intents and purposes, this was completely covered up and he got a gentle tap on the wrist instead of the felony he deserved.

But I'm sure a leaker from within team Mueller would be punished to the full extent of the law... since that is the precedent with everyone not on team trump... right...
Dude, youre still frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories.

Im talking about the real world.

This has already been litigated in court. There has been no evidence of leaks coming from Mueller's office.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ileaks-1054204
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-investigation

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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Dude, youre still frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories.

Im talking about the real world.

This has already been litigated in court. There has been no evidence of leaks coming from Mueller's office.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ileaks-1054204
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-investigation

You wonder why sane people think you guys are crackpots.
You fail to address any argument I brought forward. Not that I should have expected anything else...
post 1571076441 01-13-2019, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
You fail to address any argument I brought forward. Not that I should have expected anything else...
Your argument is ignoring court records showing no proof of illegal leaks coming from Mueller's office and repeating your conspiracy theories that theydidcome from Mueller's office. Why would I address your imaginary claims?

You realize you sound like a nut?
MIKE TYSON: "When you see me smash somebody's skull, you'll enjoy it."

"I try to catch him right on the tip of the nose, because I try to push the bone into the brain."

"It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm."

"I can sell out Madison Square Garden masturbating"

"I'll f**k you till you love me f**got!"

"I just want to conquer people and their souls"
post 1571076701 01-13-2019, 01:48 PM
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It’s his right as the chief executive. He is the one who declares what is protected and what is not by the constitution of the US.
post 1571076791 01-13-2019, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Your argument is ignoring court records showing no proof of illegal leaks coming from Mueller's office and repeating your conspiracy theories that theydidcome from Mueller's office. Why would I address your imaginary claims?

You realize you sound like a nut?
My argument is if they didn't come from the only place that could possible have knowledge of it, then the fake news is worse than we imagined. Fair?

Though the FBI and others have a history of circular reporting, as seen in the FISA application, and as proven by the FBI agent text messages. The media is a very strong weapon, and it is controlled by 1 side.
post 1571076981 01-13-2019, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted By LieutenantGains⏩
Comey - Republican
Mueller - Republican
Rosenstein - Republican

"CaN tHe LeFt JuSt DrOp It"
Fake republicans like Mcstain. These are all puppets of the deepstate. Left or right does not matter in this instance the deepstate has puppets on both sides. They'd be silly not to.
Joe Biden (and family) are incestuous paed's..

Epstein dint kill himself....

Mcafee didnt uninstall himself.....

WEF/GLOBLISM is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION......
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Mueller's office doesnt leak. If he did he'd be fired for misconduct. You dont think Trumps lawyers have their eye on any little misstep to capitalize on?

Manafort already filed a suit in court to dismiss his case alleging leaks coming from his office and it was thrown out.
LMAO

Is this guy serious?
post 1571077701 01-13-2019, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By ToPHeR35⏩
LMAO

Is this guy serious?
strong rebuttal
MIKE TYSON: "When you see me smash somebody's skull, you'll enjoy it."

"I try to catch him right on the tip of the nose, because I try to push the bone into the brain."

"It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm."

"I can sell out Madison Square Garden masturbating"

"I'll f**k you till you love me f**got!"

"I just want to conquer people and their souls"
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