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post 1571259381 01-15-2019, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Can you be more specific?

It was 1800 cal and total carbs was 30g for the day.

You want me to eat less?
Lol. Theres literally a sub 2500 cal day in there.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Even tho I'm going 10 to 15 days in a row on 55 to 35g carbs a day?

I thought it's supposed to be needed at that point?
Do you feel like you need refeeds? Trust me, when you get closer to 10% you'll know if/when you need them. Your body fat % usually determines if you'll require refeeds to boost leptin via a temporary caloric surplus (with the extra cal allowance filled by carbs).

At your %, you probably don't need them.
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Originally Posted By linn2640⏩
Lol. Theres literally a sub 2500 cal day in there.
I'm sorry I'm not following. I listed everything for Sunday but I threw some away. It was 1807 cal for the entire day.

Breakfast 136 lunch 835 dinner 700 snack like 136
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post 1571259761 01-15-2019, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Can you be more specific?

It was 1800 cal and total carbs was 30g for the day.

You want me to eat less?
Found your problem.

I cut on 1800 calories before and due to how active I was, I was starving. I was grateful for every bite of food.

From what I gathered, you're basically a couch potato with a very low TDEE eating 1800 calories and not being able to finish your food...

solution? move more. Add in some sort of physical activity whether it's swimming, boxing, 20k steps, etc. move more.

I don't think I need to mention that you need to be training intensely with the weights.

Consistency is all that matters. I weigh all my food cooked.

Refine your food tracking method, get on a real routine and stop counting **** like sex as your cardio for the day.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Even tho I'm going 10 to 15 days in a row on 55 to 35g carbs a day?

I thought it's supposed to be needed at that point?
Set up your deficit, give yourself a reasonable amount of carbs you can live on and use the same numbers daily.
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post 1571259801 01-15-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
Do you feel like you need refeeds? Trust me, when you get closer to 10% you'll know if/when you need them. Your body fat % usually determines if you'll require refeeds to boost leptin via a temporary caloric surplus (with the extra cal allowance filled by carbs).

At your %, you probably don't need them.
Ok I'll go back to 30 to 55g a day. Thanks
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post 1571260091 01-15-2019, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Whole true in most cases..... last year when I cut I was down to 2400 calories, and I stalled hard AF. I bumped up to 2700 and lost 5 more lbs in two weeks.
happens without fail
Originally Posted By circular2⏩
Posting for an alternate view here on running vs calorie restriction because there will be no discussion on the nutrition or losing fat forum because the posts I've seen there are dogmatic that it's all about CICO.

I'm posting and looking for opinions because CICO failed for me in my personal experience. The common rebuttal is that CICO always works, that if it didn't that's because you counted calories incorrectly. I know for a fact however that I counted correctly when I tried a CICO approach cut because I did a few PSMF cycles and the food was so restrictive there was no way I got it wrong. I lost the weight I should have but I just looked deflated, this was accounting for refeed. To contrast, when I ran 1-2 miles every other day and ate clean, I lost a little less weight but I had defined abs rather than looking deflated. The CICO rebuttal will probably be that the running and eating clean simply created a similar deficit, but there's no way in hell the deficit was anywhere close due to how severely I restricted when I tried PSMF cutting.

I am starting another cut soon and would like opinions on which approach I should go with. The problem I have with running is that it seems like I would have to drop it eventually when I want to reach a peak level of strength and it would be a waste to condition my body one way then go the opposite direction.
you are wrong about cico so i will have to disagree with you there, but i am a yuge advocate that a small amount of cardio everyday while in a deficit gives you some massive benefits over time. I also don't think eating clean matters at all in terms of quality of physique but it will cause an increase in quality of life(relatively speaking). Which can counteract training like chit for weeks on end when you feel like garbage. I think the majority of "lost muscle" is the result of people dropping their intensity in half when they're hungry.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Ok I'll go back to 30 to 55g a day. Thanks
Leo are you gonna do what Kim said? I swear I'm gonna punch you if keep overcomplicating this.
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Originally Posted By MichaelDuong⏩
Refine your food tracking method, ...
I just use a food scale, steno pad, a pen and a calculator...Old school.

Hasn't let me down.


The right side of the red center line has the time of each meal and the food listed with the amount.

The left side has three columns, Carbs, Protein, Fats.
I keep a running total for the dat and then multiply totals at the end of the day for total caloric intake.

For educational purposes for those too young to know what a steno pad is;
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
I couldn't eat all of it but logged 2477.
Why are you doing this? You should be trying to be as accurate as possible. If you end up having to adjust your calories down or up, you won't have an accurate baseline to adjust from.
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Originally Posted By stevebec⏩
Why are you doing this? You should be trying to be as accurate as possible. If you end up having to adjust your calories down or up, you won't have an accurate baseline to adjust from.
If my bodyfat was that high I wouldnt even do over 2k cal
post 1571260481 01-15-2019, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted By deltpecx⏩
I just use a food scale, steno pad, a pen and a calculator...Old school.

Hasn't let me down.


The right side of the red center line has the time of each meal and the food listed with the amount.

The left side has three columns, Carbs, Protein, Fats.
I keep a running total for the dat and then multiply totals at the end of the day for total caloric intake.

For educational purposes for those too young to know what a steno pad is;
Yep same thing here.
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post 1571260741 01-15-2019, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
happens without fail

you are wrong about cico so i will have to disagree with you there, but i am a yuge advocate that a small amount of cardio everyday while in a deficit gives you some massive benefits over time. I also don't think eating clean matters at all in terms of quality of physique but it will cause an increase in quality of life(relatively speaking). Which can counteract training like chit for weeks on end when you feel like garbage. I think the majority of "lost muscle" is the result of people dropping their intensity in half when they're hungry.
A lot of people in this thread are riled up in this thread and trying to be right. I don't care about being right, I just want to know the correct information so that I can apply it for optimal results. I'm just saying this as a disclaimer, I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I just want correct information.

Anyway, all I can tell you is that I got better results from running than I did from restricting calories and that it can't be explained away as there was a similar deficit with the running approach because I counted precisely. Also there was some confusion about eating clean. I didn't mean eating clean as in same calories, different food choice. I meant I ate whatever I wanted provided it was "clean" foods.
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
Leo are you gonna do what Kim said? I swear I'm gonna punch you if keep overcomplicating this.
As far as I can. Carbs will never be exactly the same for me.

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post 1571261081 01-15-2019, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By stevebec⏩
Why are you doing this? You should be trying to be as accurate as possible. If you end up having to adjust your calories down or up, you won't have an accurate baseline to adjust from.
It was a refeed which I won't be doing anymore and I finished it this morning but I've only had 380 calories outside of that today and dinner will be about 780.

So 2400 yesterday and about 1180 today.
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You ate 6 cups of dried macaroni? Probably more like 8+ once water is introduced...

Just track accurately. Nothing people can tell you if your logs are a lie.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
You ate 6 cups of dried macaroni? Probably more like 8+ once water is introduced...

Just track accurately. Nothing people can tell you if your logs are a lie.
Subway and a barrel of mac and cheese a day. Going to be the next big thing. Move over Paleo.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
You ate 6 cups of dried macaroni? Probably more like 8+ once water is introduced...

Just track accurately. Nothing people can tell you if your logs are a lie.
bruh he should be 8% by now
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Subway and a barrel of mac and cheese a day. Going to be the next big thing. Move over Paleo.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
It was a refeed which I won't be doing anymore and I finished it this morning but I've only had 380 calories outside of that today and dinner will be about 780.

So 2400 yesterday and about 1180 today.
Why do you feel that you need refeeds? Are you suffering from hunger and/or low energy?
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
You ate 6 cups of dried macaroni? Probably more like 8+ once water is introduced...

Just track accurately. Nothing people can tell you if your logs are a lie.
That's exact. 12oz macaroni dry 1200 calories
2 cans rotel plain 125 calories
1lb 93/7 ground beef 680 calories


But like I said I couldn't finish it.
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Originally Posted By circular2⏩
Posting for an alternate view here on running vs calorie restriction because there will be no discussion on the nutrition or losing fat forum because the posts I've seen there are dogmatic that it's all about CICO.

I'm posting and looking for opinions because CICO failed for me in my personal experience. The common rebuttal is that CICO always works, that if it didn't that's because you counted calories incorrectly. I know for a fact however that I counted correctly when I tried a CICO approach cut because I did a few PSMF cycles and the food was so restrictive there was no way I got it wrong. I lost the weight I should have but I just looked deflated, this was accounting for refeed. To contrast, when I ran 1-2 miles every other day and ate clean, I lost a little less weight but I had defined abs rather than looking deflated. The CICO rebuttal will probably be that the running and eating clean simply created a similar deficit, but there's no way in hell the deficit was anywhere close due to how severely I restricted when I tried PSMF cutting.

I am starting another cut soon and would like opinions on which approach I should go with. The problem I have with running is that it seems like I would have to drop it eventually when I want to reach a peak level of strength and it would be a waste to condition my body one way then go the opposite direction.
I'm a little confused by your post. So CICO failed you because you were't losing weight at all in your calorie deficit created through diet? That's like saying the law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to you. When following PSMF most will look flat/deflated because they're not taking in shi* for carbs.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
That's exact. 12oz macaroni dry 1200 calories
2 cans rotel plain 125 calories
1lb 93/7 ground beef 680 calories


But like I said I couldn't finish it.
listen to poliquins advice.

you dont DESERVE carbs until youre 10%
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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
I'm a little confused by your post. So CICO failed you because you were't losing weight at all in your calorie deficit created through diet? That's like saying the law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to you. When following PSMF most will look flat/deflated because they're not taking in shi* for carbs.
It actually succeeded in the sense of the weight I lost added up in the ballpark of 3500/lb. It failed in the sense of I got better results from running and eating clean. IK spot reduction is another pet peeve of the CICO crowd but the running seemed to chiseled my abs whereas the PSMF shrunk me a little bit all over. I'm aware of the low carbs making you look deflated. I looked deflated after PSMF even after refeeding.

I'm already convinced that running is the superior option for me to lose fat. The reason I'm still asking for advice is because I want CICO to work. I want to drop running so that I have all of my recovery capacity for lifting.
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Originally Posted By Kirra⏩
Why do you feel that you need refeeds? Are you suffering from hunger and/or low energy?
No I'm hungry AF by the time 10 or 11am roll around. I typically stop eating at 7 trying to stay on a 16hr fast.

But as I said I've been on 30 to 55g carbs a day for about 14 days so I thought I might need it.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
That's exact. 12oz macaroni dry 1200 calories
2 cans rotel plain 125 calories
1lb 93/7 ground beef 680 calories


But like I said I couldn't finish it.
Type of Pasta Uncooked Amount Cooked Amount
Elbow Macaroni 2 cups/8 oz. 4 cups

You mean you couldn't eat 12 CUPS of macaroni... LOL

Honestly now I just think you are 100% troll.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Idk why youโ€™re complicating yourself. I lost steady weight on 500 cal deficit eating whatever carbs. It doesnโ€™t matter. Except as to water retention.
he just aint hungry enough/dont want it enough. he thought he was like 15% when he was 25% and so on... the reality of the difficulty has to hit, but the daily deficit is simple.
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