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Thread: UFC Fight Night DISCUSSION THREAD: Cejudo vs. Dillashaw

post 1571643471 01-20-2019, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
lol No. would you have preferred he ate 5 more punches?
It wasn't just another fight, it was a superfight, the leash needs to be a bit longer.
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Originally Posted By nikeoneplatinum⏩
It wasn't just another fight, it was a superfight, the leash needs to be a bit longer.
Commissions and referee's don't make decisions about stoppages based on what type of fight is taking place. They make their decisions based on the rules.

What would happen if a NFL referee decided not to throw a flag on a blatant penalty because "Hey it's the Super Bowl, the leash needs to be a little bit longer."

Sports don't work that way.
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post 1571645201 01-20-2019, 09:58 AM
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TJ is maybe the worst loser I've ever seen.

Starting at :40 or so is the relevant portion of TJs post-fight press conference highlights.



Such a bad look.
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post 1571645361 01-20-2019, 10:00 AM
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TJ was just getting warmed up. It could have been a good fight if it wasn't stopped.
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Originally Posted By nikeoneplatinum⏩
That was an early stoppage.
Even if it was an early stoppage, there was no coming back from that. No way he would have been able to get a hold of Cejudo when Cejudo was 100% fresh and not even 1 minute in the round. It would have ended the same regardless.
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Originally Posted By AMDuser⏩
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Looked like a bad position. TJ was scrabbling but Cejudo wasn't having any of that. Justifiable stoppage.
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Cejudo manhandled tj. Everyone saying about the weight cut affecting tj, cejudo looked alot bigger and probably cut way more than tj. If cutting is an issue he needs to either up his cutting game or stick to 135.

I see cejudo ragdolling him at 135lb again and lol he (tj) wanted to fight max holloway at 145lb
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I think the stoppage was just a tad bit early but not outrageous by any means. At that weight its not exactly like they're throwing KO bombs so they can take a bit more and I'd say there was still a 5-10% chance TJ could have recovered and made it through the round, and there have been plenty of fights where fighters realize that 5-10% chance and then go on to turn it around and win the fight.

I think TJ cursed himself by talking about wanting to go up to 145 and fight Max after. Anytime a fighter is already talking about his next opponent it seems like they are usually overlooking the one they're about to face and it generally doesn't end well.
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Originally Posted By adamsz⏩
I think the stoppage was just a tad bit early but not outrageous by any means. At that weight its not exactly like they're throwing KO bombs so they can take a bit more and I'd say there was still a 5-10% chance TJ could have recovered and made it through the round, and there have been plenty of fights where fighters realize that 5-10% chance and then go on to turn it around and win the fight.

I think TJ cursed himself by talking about wanting to go up to 145 and fight Max after. Anytime a fighter is already talking about his next opponent it seems like they are usually overlooking the one they're about to face and it generally doesn't end well.
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Originally Posted By Appoloin⏩
T.J looked slow and lethargic at 125lb, not just in comparison to Henry either.
No he didn't.

That's bull**** and takes away from Cejudo's performance.

He looked like he always does.. the difference is these flyweights are faster than your 135ers so the stuff that you're used to seeing TJ dodge and evade didn't happen.

It's fine if people think the stoppage was a bit early, but TJ got dropped and hurt. At that point, you've got no one to blame but yourself.. and I think TJ was going to be done in 20 more seconds anyway as much as I love TJ. He has been hit and dropped before.. motha****in John Dodson put him out before.
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Not surprised Cejudo won as he seemed to have turned a corner in striking and integrating his wrestling when he beat MM, he's probably the best athletic prospect the UFC has ever had and now seems to have a fully developed mma game.

UFC gambled putting Hardy on the co-main and lost big, mainstream sports media doesn't realize that the downed opponent foul is fairly common. His grappling and cardio looked questionable but not unexpected for someone who has only been training a few years.

Overall an exciting card, the Cerrone fight was amazing and would have made for an excellent co-main.
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Let them fight, horrible stoppage
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Originally Posted By DFS200⏩
the Cerrone fight was amazing and would have made for an excellent co-main.
personally i think that fight was in the perfect spot. i have no proof of any of what i am about to say but i am willing to bet that the cerrone fight had the most viewers of the night simply based on that it was the "espn main event". i also assume that the fight helped them sell more subs for espn+ for the main card. danaclown was so pleased by it that he gave cowboy FOTN & POTN bonuses as well
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I think people saying it was an early stoppage are basing it on the fact that we have seen worse beatings allowed to continue. In the grand scheme of things and going forward, refs are going to err on the side of caution in stoppages. And it's not like in boxing where one L has a huge impact on a fighter's future and earnings.
post 1571663971 01-20-2019, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By scooterbrah⏩
personally i think that fight was in the perfect spot. i have no proof of any of what i am about to say but i am willing to bet that the cerrone fight had the most viewers of the night simply based on that it was the "espn main event". i also assume that the fight helped them sell more subs for espn+ for the main card. danaclown was so pleased by it that he gave cowboy FOTN & POTN bonuses as well
Yes I know they usually like a strong fight to close the prelims for promotional reasons, just suggesting what would have created a stronger main card. I really have no idea what the ESPN+ platform is, the whole event outside of the Fight Pass fights was free on TSN in Canada.
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looking back at the replay, I'll take back a bit of what I said, it was definitely a bit early. I felt like the ref should have gave a chance for TJ to scramble after getting hit by the second shot on the ground. But obviously I wasn't there. By no means the worst stoppage and was justifiable based on how TJs head kind of went slack, for all we know this beating could have continued for 30 more seconds and eventually stopped.

But TJ has nobody to blame but himself really, he threw a haymaker which caused him to lose his balance, Cejudo pushed him down, Cejudo threw a kick that was partially blocked then Cejudo clipped him behind the ear. TJ tried to scramble then got clipped again on the chin.

It's really hard to say since this fight was so short if whether or not TJ moved well and was fighting how he normally does with the same energy. He seemed to be. Cejudo just capitalized on the opportunity that was given.

I think TJ is gonna campaign for Yamasaki if there is a next year. The guy is more than willing to die in there and who better to do that then Mario.
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
TJ was just getting warmed up. It could have been a good fight if it wasn't stopped.
Getting warmed up by eating shots to the head and panic wrestling on your knees.. seems legit.
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I've never felt it necessary to argue the validity of a stoppage. If you get rocked and dropped you should expect to lose, you're lucky if the ref lets it go and you manage to somehow come back from that damage.

Earlier on the card Glover was lucky the referee let it go because he looked extremely hurt by the elbows against the cage. Kongo was lucky that the Barry fight wasn't stopped, etc.
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Originally Posted By DFS200⏩
I've never felt it necessary to argue the validity of a stoppage. If you get rocked and dropped you should expect to lose, you're lucky if the ref lets it go and you manage to somehow come back from that damage.

Earlier on the card Glover was lucky the referee let it go because he looked extremely hurt by the elbows against the cage. Kongo was lucky that the Barry fight wasn't stopped, etc.
Right but clearly Kongo and Glover were ok to continue considering the fact that they went on to win. Part of the sport is getting rocked, Imagine if they stopped the Edgar Maynard fights.
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Originally Posted By nikeoneplatinum⏩
Right but clearly Kongo and Glover were ok to continue considering the fact that they went on to win. Part of the sport is getting rocked,Imagine if they stopped the Edgar Maynard fights.
I would not have been opposed to a stoppage in those fights if they were stopped at the time. Just because Frankie can get knocked out in the first and still win on points doesn't mean every fight should go on until the guy is not moving.
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Originally Posted By DFS200⏩
I would not have been opposed to a stoppage in those fights if they were stopped at the time. Just because Frankie can get knocked out in the first and still win on points doesn't mean every fight should go on until the guy is not moving.
Exactly. The ref's job in those situation is to determine whether or not a fighter is intelligently defending himself. In a sport full of subjectivity, I'm all for following criteria when you can. The ref should't be thinking o this guy is known for comeback Ws so let me let this play out.
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Originally Posted By DFS200⏩
I would not have been opposed to a stoppage in those fights if they were stopped at the time. Just because Frankie can get knocked out in the first and still win on points doesn't mean every fight should go on until the guy is not moving.
It's just the human element of the sport, it's a judgement call, there's always going to be some people saying it was early and some late. This one was borderline, that's why it's a topic of discussion. I will say I'd rather it stopped early than late for fighter safety.
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Originally Posted By Mogambo⏩
Exactly. The ref's job in those situation is to determine whether or not a fighter is intelligently defending himself. In a sport full of subjectivity, I'm all for following criteria when you can. The ref should't be thinking o this guy is known for comeback Ws so let me let this play out.
I think part of my perception of this is from wrestling. Similar to the pin position in freestyle, it's not always clear if his shoulders were pinned and some referees are quick to call the pin. Whether you were pinned definitively or not, the opponent has managed to put you at least at the brink of a position that constitutes losing. Therefore you should expect that there is a chance you can lose if you ever end up in that position. Even if you have a valid argument against the stoppage, it is still clear that your opponent demonstrated clear superiority over you, and was much closer to deserving to win than you were.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
I think TJ is gonna campaign for Yamasaki if there is a next year. The guy is more than willing to die in there and who better to do that then Mario.
Love Yamasaki.He should have let the Black Beast land 3-4 more punches on that wife beater Browne.

As for the stoppage, maybe a few seconds more but TJ wasnt gettin out of there so im ok with it.
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watched it late, it wasn't early stoppage, as soon as i saw TJ in the ring it was pretty obvious he was a frail skeleton. not sure what he was thinking. he looked anemic and weak as hell. his effectiveness came from anabolic power and speed. if you lose power and speed you have no offense or defense.
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Watched it live and didn't think it was an early stoppage.

Ref ran in as soon as TJ got dropped again.

Cejudo making us 125lbers look good lol
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Dogchit stoppage.

If you're going to make the argument that the ref didn't want TJ to take more damage, at least let TJ get down to 25% capacity. The ref stopped it when he was at 50% capacity. This is the ****ing UFC. Pathetic. Robbing us of potential epic comebacks.
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah⏩
Dogchit stoppage.

If you're going to make the argument that the ref didn't want TJ to take more damage, at least let TJ get down to 25% capacity. The ref stopped it when he was at 50% capacity. This is the ****ing UFC. Pathetic. Robbing us of potential epic comebacks.
I can see why you think it's dogchit. You think referees have a capacity-meter in their pockets. If only they did, we might be having a different conversation.

Unfortunately, since the athletic commissions can't afford one, the referee's job is as follows:

1. Check to see if the fighter is intelligently defending himself.
2. Check on the safety of the fighter.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
I can see why you think it's dogchit. You think referees have a capacity-meter in their pockets. If only they did, we might be having a different conversation.

Unfortunately, since the athletic commissions can't afford one, the referee's job is as follows:

1. Check to see if the fighter is intelligently defending himself.
2. Check on the safety of the fighter.
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