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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
here it is lads, the dumbest thing said in this thread. It's been a tough competition with many contenders but this is without a doubt #1
so explain it, what is your theory oh clever one if it isn't hormones
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
i srsly dont understand the question here. u wot? its not an intelligence test...

this is a weird question not sure if srs. especially the bold part
i'm pretty confident you can figure out what i asked
Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
so explain it, what is your theory oh clever one if it isn't hormones
no one here has denied hormones make a difference, don't think anyone here has even tried to say that men and women are able to eat the same cals at the same bodyweight and both maintain their weight. This isn't about total cals. You are arguing that cals in vs cals out isn't true (which to a point isn't but don't care to go into that with you), if you took a female who maintained at let's say 2000 cals and made her eat 1500 cals of chicken she will lose fat. Same with a man. This is a fact, not an opinion.

You're a parrot who doesn't understand what they are saying nor what argument you're trying to make. You have made many statements with no understanding of why you've made them. Your points on insulin for example, if you took the time to understand what insulin is, why it works the way it does and what it's capabilities are you'd have a much better understanding of what you're trying to say.
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
it would be nice if someone could explain why girls put on more bodyfat during/after puberty then boys. they have similar bodyfat % up until then - and boys generally eat more calories and one might argue they are even more active.. so how is it girls suddenly gain a higher percentage of bodyfat during puberty? - do they suddenly start eating many more calories than boys for this to happen? no - i don't think so. but they get fatter! herp derp - because the human body is developing, well yes obviously but why does the fat gain happen?

well then - it must be hormones! yes, that is it! so why is it so hard for people to believe that hormone levels play a part in controlling fat gain/fat loss. oh yes, because everyone has been "brainwashed" into the cals in vs cals out model for the last X amount of years, and that is the only model we know (until now..)

that is something else Fung goes over
You are conflating two differnet things, total body mass and body composition. Cals in vs Cals out is accepted fact. It deals with weight/total mass, not with composition. Composition is determined by exercise, macros and hormones.
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I fast daily (~16 hours) throughout the year (with the exception of maybe the week of Christmas w/ my family) and it helps me stay lean consistently even when I don't workout much.

I'll admit I get hungry around 9am but if I get past that point it's pretty easy to make it to 3pm.
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
it would be nice if someone could explain why girls put on more bodyfat during/after puberty then boys. they have similar bodyfat % up until then - and boys generally eat more calories and one might argue they are even more active.. so how is it girls suddenly gain a higher percentage of bodyfat during puberty? - do they suddenly start eating many more calories than boys for this to happen? no - i don't think so. but they get fatter! herp derp - because the human body is developing, well yes obviously but why does the fat gain happen?

well then - it must be hormones! yes, that is it! so why is it so hard for people to believe that hormone levels play a part in controlling fat gain/fat loss. oh yes, because everyone has been "brainwashed" into the cals in vs cals out model for the last X amount of years, and that is the only model we know (until now..)

that is something else Fung goes over
which again, does not invalidate calories in vs calories out as a very useful metric for losing weight, and nobody said that hormones don't play a role. You're conflating ideas as if they are mutually exclusive.

This is literally parallel to the old argument in bodybuilding/strength training where somebody says "getting bigger will make you stronger" then somebody retorts "well if that were true, how come that 130 lb guy can bench more than that 160 lb guy, therefore it isn't true". While ignoring the fact that if both guys gained 10 lbs they would be stronger in the lifting sense than they were at 10 less lbs. We've also seen studies between different diets where insulin levels were drastically different, but both groups have lost similar amounts of lbm.

Same thing here, are we just going to argue that eating say 500 less calories than your maintenance isn't going to make you drop fat? If you suddenly drop to 1500 calories from 2500 calories your body isn't going to suddenly drop maintenance calories by 40% to meet that amount to the point where you stop dropping weight unless in dire circumstances as mentioned in the studies that have been posted and referenced. Alot of this is due to weight loss, and the simple fact that a lighter person is going to burn less calories, so maintenance cals dropping will also happen under the proposed framework of Dr.Fung.
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
it would be nice if someone could explain why girls put on more bodyfat during/after puberty then boys. they have similar bodyfat % up until then - and boys generally eat more calories and one might argue they are even more active.. so how is it girls suddenly gain a higher percentage of bodyfat during puberty? - do they suddenly start eating many more calories than boys for this to happen? no - i don't think so. but they get fatter! herp derp - because the human body is developing, well yes obviously but why does the fat gain happen?

well then - it must be hormones! yes, that is it! so why is it so hard for people to believe that hormone levels play a part in controlling fat gain/fat loss. oh yes, because everyone has been "brainwashed" into the cals in vs cals out model for the last X amount of years, and that is the only model we know (until now..)

that is something else Fung goes over
Girls gain more weight so that they can harbor offspring srs
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IF is kinda bullchit. There's no magic behind it, you reduce your window for calorie intake and some people, not all, simply skip a meal and that's where the calorie reduction happens.

Obviously if you meal prep, you're just going to eat your allotted calories per day, so IF won't do chit. But for the plebs out there that aren't counting calories, they usually end up at -1 meal per day.
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I did it for a while but I didn't notice anything different. I know it's supposed to increase growth hormone, but I didn;t see any difference and I hated having to cram in huge amounts of calories into that little window (I was working an active job when I tried it).

You can be lean all year round w/out it. (Bruce lee was super lean and did the old-fashioned 6 meal a day approach). Furthermore, a lot of these IF people seem to brag about how they can eat pizza, ice cream, beer, etc. like it's about how much junk food they can eat and still be ripped.

That being said, I might give another go if all these "life extension properties" "enhanced cognitive function" etc. are true. I just didn't like having to shovel all that food down at once
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"Both intermittent and continuous energy restriction resulted in similar weight loss, maintenance and improvements in cardiovascular risk factors after one year. However, feelings of hunger may be more pronounced during intermittent energy restriction."

SundfΓΈr TM, Svendsen M, Tonstad S. Effect of intermittent versus continuous energy restriction on weight loss, maintenance and cardiometabolic risk: A randomized 1-year trial. Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis. 2018 Jul;28(7):698-706.

The punchline, the only "magical" diet is the one that allows you to feel/perform optimally while helping you achieve your short and long-term goals. Bonus points if this is also sustainable, which is vital...
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People too focused on fat loss here, fasting is about health benefits. Losing weight is energy restriction, can get fat with intermittent fasting if you eat too much.
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I have a very intellectually demanding job and I have to be thinking and reacting quickly all day. Fasting has noticeably slowed my cognition to the point that I can no longer do it if I have to work.
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Originally Posted By havoc713⏩
I have a very intellectually demanding job and I have to be thinking and reacting quickly all day. Fasting has noticeably slowed my cognition to the point that I can no longer do it if I have to work.
i doubt it, since this post is retarded
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
i doubt it, since this post is retarded
answer my question coping *******
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Originally Posted By Josh1billion⏩
Holy fuk, how are you still alive? I've been addicted to caffeine, and whenever I get up to 600 mg/day, I pretty much force myself to lower it because even that seems too risky.
Wat? I literally drink 1000mg per day at work before I even do my evening PWO (another 500-750mg)
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
Same thing here, are we just going to argue that eating say 500 less calories than your maintenance isn't going to make you drop fat?
You're missing the point.

Your actual maintenance is different depending on what makes up those calories. Spiking your insulin multiple times throughout the day is going to mean you gain weight at a lower total caloric intake than if you don't.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
You're missing the point.

Your actual maintenance is different depending on what makes up those calories. Spiking your insulin multiple times throughout the day is going to mean you gain weight at a lower total caloric intake than if you don't.
It's a negligible difference though
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
answer my question coping *******
wtf was your question you unforgivable idiot
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
wtf was your question you unforgivable idiot
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Doesnt work for me.

I need 3.5k cals or so, good luck fitting that in a small time frame with hectic work hours. It's great if you're 150lbs and need 2k cals for maintenance.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
You're missing the point.

Your actual maintenance is different depending on what makes up those calories. Spiking your insulin multiple times throughout the day is going to mean you gain weight at a lower total caloric intake than if you don't.
Originally Posted By jackm7⏩
It's a negligible difference though
tell that to all of the millions of fat people trying to lose weight.. because they're only told it is all cals in vs cals out. who has heard of insulin and hormones regulating fat loss in the real world?
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Wat? I literally drink 1000mg per day at work before I even do my evening PWO (another 500-750mg)
Surprised your hair doesn't catch fire with all of that caffeine in your system.
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
tell that to all of the millions of fat people trying to lose weight.. because they're only told it is all cals in vs cals out. who has heard of insulin and hormones regulating fat loss in the real world?
WTF are you talking about, boyo? Cals in vs cals out is all there is. Fat people are fat because they intake a shtload of calories. Fat people who lower their caloric intake lose weight, period, no matter what type of hormonal situation they have going on.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
WTF are you talking about, boyo? Cals in vs cals out is all there is. Fat people are fat because they intake a shtload of calories. Fat people who lower their caloric intake lose weight, period, no matter what type of hormonal situation they have going on.
we should all distinguish between losing weight and losing fat. losing water weight or muscle is losing weight, but it isnt the goal.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
WTF are you talking about, boyo? Cals in vs cals out is all there is. Fat people are fat because they intake a shtload of calories. Fat people who lower their caloric intake lose weight, period, no matter what type of hormonal situation they have going on.
This is old thinking and totally wrong. Both how much weight and the type of weight you gain or lose is heavily regulated by insulin response. If you don't believe me, go talk to a diabetic or anyone who has ever taken insulin. Bodyweight makes HUGE swings based simply on the amount of insulin circulating in the body.

I'm not arguing it's not people's own fault what they weigh. I'm arguing that the fundamental beliefs (stay away from fats, eat a ton of carbs) is TERRIBLE advice.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I'm not arguing it's not people's own fault what they weigh. I'm arguing that the fundamental beliefs (stay away from fats, eat a ton of carbs) is TERRIBLE advice.
this hasn't been a fundamental belief for over 10 years.

this one is gonna blow your mind, you know what other macro causes an insulin spike? Protein. not a small insulin spike either, so much so that those with hypoglycemia can't eat protein only meals without blood sugar issues. This should make protein just as fattening as carbs no? Why is protein so damn resistant to being stored as fat compared to the other 2 macros if it alone causes an insulin spike?

When insulin is present in your blood stream it's impossible for your body to burn fat correct? It also causes excess glucose to be converted to lipids and stored as adipose tissue correct? Protein converts to glucose when not able to be utilized so with the insulin present it should in theory be immediately turned into lipids as well correct? So how the fck is protein less likely to be stored as fat if fat intake alone doesn't cause insulin to be released?
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
People too focused on fat loss here, fasting is about health benefits. Losing weight is energy restriction, can get fat with intermittent fasting if you eat too much.
Including dumb fukk OP.
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
this hasn't been a fundamental belief for over 10 years.

this one is gonna blow your mind, you know what other macro causes an insulin spike? Protein. not a small insulin spike either, so much so that those with hypoglycemia can't eat protein only meals without blood sugar issues. This should make protein just as fattening as carbs no? Why is protein so damn resistant to being stored as fat compared to the other 2 macros if it alone causes an insulin spike?

When insulin is present in your blood stream it's impossible for your body to burn fat correct? It also causes excess glucose to be converted to lipids and stored as adipose tissue correct? Protein converts to glucose when not able to be utilized so with the insulin present it should in theory be immediately turned into lipids as well correct? So how the fck is protein less likely to be stored as fat if fat intake alone doesn't cause insulin to be released?
I would assume because the protein breaks down into aminos that can actually be used for muscle growth, where the same can't be said about sugars? That's interesting though.
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Originally Posted By ZT89⏩
Doesnt work for me.

I need 3.5k cals or so, good luck fitting that in a small time frame with hectic work hours. It's great if you're 150lbs and need 2k cals for maintenance.
most people don't need many cals. Here's a 6'3 210lb guy at 16% bf. Sedentary (which lets be real tea most people are these days).... 2.5k cal maintenance.

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