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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
I think the bigger cause for impingement is people going too high up in the movement, which places the shoulders in a position they're not meant to be.
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Id suggest focusing on progressing with heavy overhead press.
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notice how the ones who suggest going heavy don't have their delts in their avi

just saying (and not @ tank that man knows his chit)
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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
I think the bigger cause for impingement is people going too high up in the movement, which places the shoulders in a position they're not meant to be.
Partly yes and no. Shoulder impingement is a combo of repetitive overuse and the anatomy of the scapula + humeral junction (glenohumeral joint). The supraspinatus tendon runs under the acromion of the scapula. It's 100% true that overhead motions are somewhat unnatural for the shoulder (but not completely since the shoulder is a ball and socket joint and has 360 degree motion) though. But its VERY unlikely that one or two overhead motions will impinge the suprascapular nerve but rather tons and tons of use like a swimmer, pitcher or tennis player.

In the grand scheme of things though, it is more true to say that its the physiology and biomechanics of the shoulder than it is the overhead use because without the faults in natural design, impingement wouldnt likely be an issue.
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When I wasn't a lazy POS, I did 35 for 8. 3 sets. Chit form, but still hit the lateral delts nicely.
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Honestly, I never really do any DB shoulder raises, either front or lateral. Front raises are completely pointless if you're lifting is well-rounded in the least bit, as they're arguably the most overworked muscle group of lifters in general when considering bench work as well as shoulder specific lifts. Lateral raises can have their place, but again, I've never really seen a reason for taking the time to do them. I already do so much standing/seated DB OHP, BB OHP, and Arnold Presses that I can't see a reason to add in more shoulder work when considering the various other lifts like benching variations that also work them decently.

But yeah, I have done them in the past, and once in a great while I get a wild hair to do it just to get some quick shoulder work in during a brief workout or when I'm feeling too exhausted to do both benching and OHP compounds on the same day like I normally do. I gotten as high as 40's in the past, but stick to 25's - 35's on the rare occasions that I do them anymore. I keep my arms pretty straight when I do them. Raises just also never felt very comfortable to me, and I'm not risking shoulder injuries by going all out on them when I already feel just fine with various OHP work for shoulders. I know this is probably considered soy by misc standards, but I can hit seated DB OHP for 100's for 5 on a good day, and have gone as high as 105's in the past. So I don't think I'm missing much by skimping on DB shoulder raises.

Regardless, to each their own. I'm sure there's plenty of strong lifters out there who consider lateral raises a great lift. They're just not my thing.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Partly yes and no. Shoulder impingement is a combo of repetitive overuse and the anatomy of the scapula + humeral junction (glenohumeral joint). The supraspinatus tendon runs under the acromion of the scapula. It's 100% true that overhead motions are somewhat unnatural for the shoulder (but not completely since the shoulder is a ball and socket joint and has 360 degree motion) though. But its VERY unlikely that one or two overhead motions will impinge the suprascapular nerve but rather tons and tons of use like a swimmer, pitcher or tennis player.

In the grand scheme of things though, it is more true to say that its the physiology and biomechanics of the shoulder than it is the overhead use because without the faults in natural design, impingement wouldnt likely be an issue.
More than impingement, shoulder DJD is an issue, especially with heavy OHP. I have seen a lot of it in middle aged muscular dudes. You hardly see cuff tears, unless they juiced. You’d see cuff tears in guys that are still lifting heavy in their 50s. But plenty of shoulder DJD in guys between 40-50. Tough population to treat, given the relative young age, and the amount of muscle surrounding their shoulder girdle.

You can see DCO and some impingement secondary to AC pathology, but it’s usually not overhead press, it’s mostly caused by bench press with relatively close grip and pretty heavy weight.
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i saw the most gains going heavy unilaterally. 40s, usually lean forward so they hit my rear delts also.

tried both arms at the same time using 20s for high reps and felt just as much of a load.
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This may sound crazy, but I never do side laterals anymore (shoulders got too big, dominant part) but when I did, I would use 60 lbs for like 6 reps, with good form, and a slight bend in my arms, the pump would be insane. Nowadays I only do dumbell presses for shoulders, I'm 5'7'' and I don't wanna look too wide for my height
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Originally Posted By SicilianPower⏩
I’m 5’7 167lbs at 15% bodyfat.

I do a little for shoulders at the end of my chest workout. So with my front delt being pre exhausted I usually do 45lbs for 4 sets of side laterals strict. I do 12, 10, 8, 6. When I was around 200lbs at 25% bodyfat I never went heavy on them, but ironically I do now. I bend my elbow and do a movement like I’m pouring tea from a kettle.
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Originally Posted By superman704⏩
You think 45 lbs is ''heavy''? ha, you gotta be kidding me.
For lateral delts...yes...that's like 95th percentile in strength. Your average soyboy can't even do 20s for a clean set of 8.
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
Strongly believe lateral raises are overrated. Just get strong AF at OHP while progressing on bench or dips as well as pullups, rows etc. maybe add in some face pulls if you need extra volume
The thing is, some people have over developed delts compared to their chest. At some point I had to completely stop training my delts because they were taking over, and my chest was looking small
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
When I wasn't a lazy POS, I did 35 for 8. 3 sets. Chit form, but still hit thelateralmiddle delts nicely.
lateral suggests that there is a medial component as well. The PROPER term ismiddledeltoid but most people often use middle and medial as interchangeable. Its semantics, i know....indulge me though
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
For lateral delts...yes...that's like 95th percentile in strength. Your average soyboy can't even do 20s for a clean set of 8.
Read my earlier comments, I can do 60 lbs with good form for 6 reps, my delts are dominant (they look a bit too big for my height)
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
lateral suggests that there is a medial component as well. The PROPER term ismiddledeltoid but most people often use middle and medial as interchangeable. Its semantics, i know....indulge me though
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Not to ebrag but I've had a LOT of people come up to me in the gym and ask what my shoulder routine is. If you want big, capped shoulders, do presses. Arnold press, overhead press, etc. 8-12 reps and 4 sets. I do arnolds, then upright rows with the ez bar, then lateral cable raises, shoulder press machine, then Smith machine press. You will be on fire after that. Little lateral raises with low weight never got my shoulders big. Just my experience.
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
NOOOOOO.

Don't do this EVER. That "burning" people feel in their delts when they do this is called impingement. That will destroy your shoulders in the long term.

You need to do the opposite. Thumbs elevated higher than pinkies.
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Originally Posted By MrWeeknd⏩
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this is such bullchit, they are one of the best movements for shoulder if not the best
So true, but if you are predisposed to have overly dominant shoulders you have to be careful, because it can cause an imbalance were the shoulders look huge and the chest looks tiny
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
lateral suggests that there is a medial component as well. The PROPER term ismiddledeltoid but most people often use middle and medial as interchangeable. Its semantics, i know....indulge me though
You're right. I should have called them middle delts. Actually, I wasn't even thinking. I was thinking of my rear delt workout, which is the posterior delts. I don't even think standing middle delts workout using lateral raise is even good. I always do them bent over. Like what's the point? Just press if you want to hit the middle or anterior delts...
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
25-45 never more lmao
kgs maybe
Originally Posted By sam212⏩
More than impingement, shoulder DJD is an issue, especially with heavy OHP. I have seen a lot of it in middle aged muscular dudes. You hardly see cuff tears, unless they juiced. You’d see cuff tears in guys that are still lifting heavy in their 50s. But plenty of shoulder DJD in guys between 40-50. Tough population to treat, given the relative young age, and the amount of muscle surrounding their shoulder girdle.

You can see DCO and some impingement secondary to AC pathology, but it’s usually not overhead press, it’s mostly caused by bench press with relatively close grip and pretty heavy weight.
What about flairing the elbows out when BPing + letting gravity handle the eccentric phase rather than slow and controlled reps?
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The thing is, some people have over developed delts compared to their chest. At some point I had to completely stop training my delts because they were taking over, and my chest was looking small
That is most people. But VERY strong delts that overpower the chest are easily visible usually with caveman sydrome. The shoulders will round forward almost looking like kyphosis is present
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Originally Posted By mingrey02stg2⏩
Not to ebrag but I've had a LOT of people come up to me in the gym and ask what my shoulder routine is. If you want big, capped shoulders, do presses. Arnold press, overhead press, etc. 8-12 reps and 4 sets. I do arnolds, then upright rows with the ez bar, then lateral cable raises, shoulder press machine, then Smith machine press. You will be on fire after that. Little lateral raises with low weight never got my shoulders big. Just my experience.
But at least your chest looks big, imagine having huge delts and no chest
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Originally Posted By SicilianPower⏩
Yes I agree.
Same thing when people go too high doing upright rows...it puts the shoulder in an unnatural position.

I read an article one time that said the biggest cause of shoulder injuries today is from people constantly reaching in the back seat of their cars.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
kgs maybe

What about flairing the elbows out when BPing + letting gravity handle the eccentric phase rather than slow and controlled reps?


That is most people. But VERY strong delts that overpower the chest are easily visible usually with caveman sydrome. The shoulders will round forward almost looking like kyphosis is present
I ain't gonna lie, Dorian Yates had some of that, huge delts and a lagging chest
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
You're right. I should have called them middle delts. Actually, I wasn't even thinking. I was thinking of my rear delt workout, which is the posterior delts. I don't even think standing middle delts workout using lateral raise is even good. I always do them bent over. Like what's the point? Just press if you want to hit the middle or anterior delts...
no big deal bro. Any deltoid raise hits all the heads (some more than others of course), but you are right, bent over is better for the rear (though you still hit the other two). But an AMAZING way to really hammer your rear delts is to do your DB work with your palms facing upward (relative to your positioning though, not the ceiling and floor. If you are doing rear flies of the pec deck, then yes, your palms will face upward to the ceiling, but if you are bent over, then they will point up toward your head). Ah fuk it...her is a video

I have a tough time with the DBs and pulling off the movements so I just stick with the pec-deck rear flies

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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Partly yes and no. Shoulder impingement is a combo of repetitive overuse and the anatomy of the scapula + humeral junction (glenohumeral joint). The supraspinatus tendon runs under the acromion of the scapula. It's 100% true that overhead motions are somewhat unnatural for the shoulder (but not completely since the shoulder is a ball and socket joint and has 360 degree motion) though. But its VERY unlikely that one or two overhead motions will impinge the suprascapular nerve but rather tons and tons of use like a swimmer, pitcher or tennis player.

In the grand scheme of things though, it is more true to say that its the physiology and biomechanics of the shoulder than it is the overhead use because without the faults in natural design, impingement wouldnt likely be an issue.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
no big deal bro. Any deltoid raise hits all the heads (some more than others of course), but you are right, bent over is better for the rear (though you still hit the other two). But an AMAZING way to really hammer your rear delts is to do your DB work with your palms facing upward (relative to your positioning though, not the ceiling and floor. If you are doing rear flies of the pec deck, then yes, your palms will face upward to the ceiling, but if you are bent over, then they will point up toward your head). Ah fuk it...her is a video

I have a tough time with the DBs and pulling off the movements so I just stick with the pec-deck rear flies

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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Honestly, I never really do any DB shoulder raises, either front or lateral. Front raises are completely pointless if you're lifting is well-rounded in the least bit, as they're arguably the most overworked muscle group of lifters in general when considering bench work as well as shoulder specific lifts. Lateral raises can have their place, but again, I've never really seen a reason for taking the time to do them. I already do so much standing/seated DB OHP, BB OHP, and Arnold Presses that I can't see a reason to add in more shoulder work when considering the various other lifts like benching variations that also work them decently.

But yeah, I have done them in the past, and once in a great while I get a wild hair to do it just to get some quick shoulder work in during a brief workout or when I'm feeling too exhausted to do both benching and OHP compounds on the same day like I normally do. I gotten as high as 40's in the past, but stick to 25's - 35's on the rare occasions that I do them anymore. I keep my arms pretty straight when I do them. Raises just also never felt very comfortable to me, and I'm not risking shoulder injuries by going all out on them when I already feel just fine with various OHP work for shoulders. I know this is probably considered soy by misc standards, but I can hit seated DB OHP for 100's for 5 on a good day, and have gone as high as 105's in the past. So I don't think I'm missing much by skimping on DB shoulder raises.

Regardless, to each their own. I'm sure there's plenty of strong lifters out there who consider lateral raises a great lift. They're just not my thing.
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