These threads make it really easy to see which miscers are dumb playing smart

Protip - unless you/your kid has alegitimatereason not to (like, stated by a competent doctor, not yourself), get vaccinated

without reading the thread can someone just list the anti-vaxxers ITT so I can neg them into bolivia? thnx

Yeah, I got your point. It wasn't particularly clever, and it was worded poorly.


So what, are you trying to imply that if someone makes money from something, that thing is inherently bad?


"What's to be gained by vaccinating everyone?" Hmm, I dunno, disease prevention?

Right, thats literally the only meaty thing to discuss in these, is it comes down to your fundamental world view.

Do you believe in freedom of the individual like an American with all the dominant traits members of a free society have? Or doe you think we should all be communist rats in a cage? everyone equal nobody important, nothing having meaning.

the government in that sense is anti-freedom. They dont care about the individual, they only care about managing the burdens of society. In that sense I am anti-government influence.

For example they see that there is problems with overpopulation, so they push interracial to keep the population which is getting increasingly multicultural, to keep the cattle getting along. They dont care about the ego of one individual or the value of preserving certain cultures.

They see disease as a mass solution, they are worried about herd immunity, if once in a while a kid gets warped, so be it. They dont care about the ego of the mother and the child, they care about the mass solution.

so this is literally an argument of freedom vs communism. To you that might be ok to say the government works like that but to me that is a scary and sick thought. I guess in the USA we value freedom and individuality more.

what you think is normal I see as a form of slavery to the masses and we fought long and hard to get communism which is a cancer out of power in America.

It isn't until you've live in USA and tasted capitalist freedom and developed into a fully mature adult that you see how a free society is superior to rat race society.

Keep your immunocompromised kid in his bubble where he belongs.

Oh, look.. another misc science connoisseur. So enlightened by his intelligence and so sound is his reasoning that he is able to distinguish the slightest deviation from flawless scientific process and determine it to be "junk science".

its not unintelligent to be anti vaxx because there are legitimate concerns.

Only low IQ people act like its a open and shut case.

Nobody can prove vaccines are 100% safe so theres no science there backing you. not sure what youre on about.

Vaccines are not 100% safe and no scientists claim that. they are only safe for a majority of people not all....

Some people do get their kids warped, but they are arguing its still worth it....

Far from being dumb if you feel like a vaccine is like Russian roulette with your child who you love.

Four diseases are the cause of 98% of vaccine preventable deaths. They can be prevented with Vaccines. Smallpox has been eradicated due to vaccines. There is literally over a hundred years of data (long before big pharma existed) which indicates that vaccines are an effective measure to be taken against communicable disease.



I personally believe the world is populated by too many stupid people. So I definitely don't mind the anti-vax crowd. Diseases have a way of primarily eliminating undesirables from the population anyways.

There's autistic Amish kids and Amish vaccinate, too

I work in healthcare. Health insurance companies pay doctors to vaccinate children. Do you know why that is? Because the cost of a $10 vaccine is a hell of a lot cheaper than a $250k ICU visit. Pharmaceutical companies make a hell of a lot more money by people not vaccinating

Wtf are you honestly even talking about at this point. Where did anyone say science backs anything being 100% safe

Also yes there are people with actual legitimate medical reasons they are unable to be vaccinated this has been established.

I adore you so much.

Not at all, in fact this is one of those things were education for educations sake doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Im so educated that I'm saying people rely on just "education" or the idea that the way things are is also synonymous for truth.

This topic would be easy if it was easy science.

What im saying is that when communism, or truth have to battle, its not "harsh truth" that wins out, its, what is good for the masses.

Same with history and science, lately the members of those communities and their SJW egos tend to favor ethics over reality and truth.

So the concept on a scientific level is only remarkable because of the large pool of anecdotal evidence by "victims" of vaccines. One so large that it would actually make you "uneducated" to ignore it.

If youre so smart, doesnt the amount of complaints raise a red flag?

Im looking THROUGH the layer of communism to find the truth on the other side.

the truth seems to be, yeah its a lose lose scenario, but shhhh lets just go with what is best for society as a whole and make this tough choice.

All im saying is that there is a dark side there and its not about education, I have studied all the facts, but I have no hidden agenda except to express the truth.

the truth is its a difficult paradigm and sometimes science is limited. So the uneducated people are the ones who only take the world at face value. The ones who think science is a form of magic that knows all things... You have to be smart to know where the limits of science even are. Only dumb people think science knows everything.

I have seen this debated for years now and heard all sides to it, all that is left is bullying people who have legitimate fears.

Until you can explain the patterns of anecdotal reports and how they are all eerily similar, which would not be the case if anti-vaxxers were as dumb as flat earthers.

this topic is about bullying people who aren't that dumb acting like they are super dumb when they aren't.

and this is coming from someone who would vaccinate their kids. All im saying is, they have a valid fear and aren't that dumb. its dumb to not see that and pseudo intellectualism to act like the argument for it is a simple binary one of dumb vs smart.

Call me cynical but I do not think pharmaceutical companies give a chit about child deaths.

I'm not anti-vax, I just wish people would question things more, instead of just getting their opinions spoon fed to them via buzzfeed and the like.

I was educating you but ok...

Not sure why you always have to bring up something about jewish stuff or some condescending comment.

why even participate in a debate thread if just gonna resort to ad hominem gestures?

matter of fact why do you even post here if you hate us all so much and always disagree and act condescending to what we talk about?

Well the fascist, totemic tone with which people talk about vaxx vs anti-vaxx debate makes it seem like they have a 100% rate of success and talk as if the vaxxers are 100% right and its not only not debatable but dangerous...

so simply claiming that vaccines aren't 100% safe already is kinda defeating the arguments on the topic...

Or do you even understand what youre even arguing for?

Youre saying moms and dads who are worried about this are dumb right?

so it would have to be 100% safe for them to be considered dumb no? otherwise their concern would be valid to an extent

and im saying its not 100% safe... so... them being worried isn't THAT dumb...

There's also this thing called being a ****ing idiot and bringing measles back into the country.

You want to be an idiot in a corner by yourself? Go ahead but don't get other people sick because of it.
There wasn't a point in your post... you can still be an idiot and be worried all the time.
I'm sure children dying is great for their business model.

There are risks to everything. Do we stop live-saving surgery because of a smaller risk of death? Generally, no.

Now take that logic and add in another factor: what if not doing the surgical procedure almost guaranteed that you were at a higher risk of contracting a contagious disease, that you can then give onto others?

Yeah lets freak out about stuff that will never happen...

but not freak out at all the anecdotal reports of adverse effects

Is that the call? God? let those children suffer... so that these others may live...

GODLIKE choices!!

we leave it in your hands and the hands of other redditors...

What are you talking about?

freaking out about things that wont happen, bringing back non threatening diseases and worried about "the children"

but then in the same breath not really being worried about the children....

You are trying to make it sound like only getting vaccines involves a risk and not doing so doesn't. The benefits of vaccination and modern medicine so far out weigh their chance of complications that you are usually considered dumb for being against them especially when you say things like "that's what they want you to think" and believe everything is some sort of government conspiracy like this kids mother.

He has no clue what he means.

there is so much going on with this post that its hard to even know where to begin.

first of all, scientists know, to your question of who knows.

second of all, just lol at drawing causation between vaccinations and fatter, sicker, lower t level adults today. could there be any OTHER reason that might be the case? i mean ANYTHING AT ALL?

third of all, your personal anecdotal story about your parents using you as a vaccination example is worthless from a scientific standpoint. and in what way were you "never quite the same" after you got vaccinated? did you grow larger and develop acne?

"A cultural history of the last forty years, The Age of American Unreason focuses on the convergence of social forces—usually treated as separate entities—that has created a perfect storm of anti-rationalism. These include the upsurge of religious fundamentalism, with more political power today than ever before; the failure of public education to create an informed citizenry; and the triumph of video over print culture. Sparing neither the right nor the left, Jacoby asserts that Americans today have embraced a universe of “junk thought” that makes almost no effort to separate fact from opinion."

I suggest everyone read this book, even the illiterate troglodytes here, if you want to understand how people in the this thread can exist. I promise, they won't catch the autism. As someone else stated this irrational fear has being going on for over a century.

You cant fear monger that youre preventing babies from getting sick if you have to legit have to get certain other babies sick to do so...

youre just trading one sickness for another in some cases....

its not a clean cut choice... none of us can play god.

Only a parent should have that choice and I respect the ones who are afraid...

lets not even consider how many Kids get an ancient disease vs how many reports of changed babies there are....

its probably like 1 in 10 million vs 1 in 10,000 or something.

so people are essentially fighting for that one, but its cool if the others get something else sometimes...

actually the mass sheep thought is to shame anti vaxxers...

in other wards people are binary and lack nuance but it can go in either direction.

That baby didn't have a choice and by your reply I can tell you don't have kids...

misc is just a reiteration of reddit at this point. Sad how much it's fallen from.

Merely saying:

"you are usually just regurgitating someone else's opinion, something someone else shoved in your head, and there is NO point in getting defensive over things you yourself cannot verify or prove, and that people have incentives to lie and mislead, whether they actually do or not, it's important to recognize that, and we shouldn't turn a blind eye to people who were harmed by following mainstream advice and shouldn't be dismissive of everyone else"

is enough to bring the redditor style "BUT sCiEnCe maaannn!!" posts in droves. Fukn ridiculous. I wonder if I'll see you all at the next blue hair feminazi rally too.

This 18 year old ******* literally got vaccinated to prove a point and because of his ideology. There was no health risk as an unvaccinated 18 year old but he did it only because his ideological position has him consumed this much. That's just pathetic. Doing something that serves no benefit to you at your age just because you wanna humiliate your mother who, whether out of ignorance or not, was doing what she thought was in your best interest. If someone being this petty doesn't bother you then idk what to even say.

As the saying goes: "people don't have ideologies anymore, ideologies have people"