The article is only talking about ONLINE DATING. Its using data from online dating sites and saying girls judge guys based on looks ....no **** shurlock thats the only thing they can judge a guy on in online dating...

It doesnt take a genius to understand why they are gettting the results they are getting . Let me explain...

The only thing people can judge you on tinder is YOUR LOOKS/PICTURES.
Most guys will **** anything especially if its easy. This gives the girls the power.. even the ugly ones get to choose who they want to **** so are you not surprised that they choose a 9/10 male instead of 5/10 male. NO...the ultimate problem lies here that guys will **** anything which is why most guys just swipe right without even looking.

In real life though its different because a girl will judge you on many different things...if you approach a girl and make her laugh have a good conversation with her then she will most likely start getting attracted to you because its called chemistry (i personally been there). If you pull up in a lamburghini with a bunch of friends girls will notice and will want to **** with you. If you go to a club/bar and girls notice you have alot of friends and you guys are having fun GUESS what those girls will want to **** w you (i have experienced this personally). If you are in college class and know the whole class by name and talk to everyone girls will want to **** with you (know this personally). If you are average looking ceo/10k a day girls will want to **** w you even if you are an awkward **** (Elon Musk has personally been there). If you are famous girlls will want to **** w you.

I am speaking from personal experience here...i am an average looking guy and i have had very good looking girls interested in me and i dated some good looking girls. Plenty of times i would start a conversation with a girl and she would be indifferent to me and then as i talked to her she would have fun laugh and later on she would be the one asking me out. I had a 9.8/10 girl in a college class sit next to me and start talking to me simply because i would always talk to the people around me and laugh while everyone was sitting quietly...i literally could not believe this girl would even give me a chance like even after she went out of her way to give me all the signals in the world i still had hard time believing she was interested in me thats how out of my league this girl was.

I am speaking from personal experience there is plenty of ways you can get girls to like you other then looks you just got to get off your ass and work on yourself.

It's better to do dating offline anyways OP yes you need more courage and confidence to do it but that's what being a man is. We are not females, swiping on tinder hoping some girl picks you is feminine. If you got model aesthetics , and some kind of value you can portray on tinder then it becomes just a luxury tool for you to get easy lays. For any other guy who is pretty normal your pretty much the girls standing at the bar hoping for conversation , attention and free drinks, except once you are chosen your doing the paying.

Go out to places you enjoy, meet women in these places stop being a feminine coward.

Looksmax: lift, cardio, dress well or according to fashion trends, practice good posture. Eat well and keep hygiene habits up.

Mind gains max: educate yourself on current events, learn basic psychology, learn negotiation and develop self love. Become cultured through hobbies and in demand skill sets.

Asset max: earn that coin, learn to save, invest or earn more. Secure products which add superficial value such as a nice car.

These three things will add to your percieved value. Through perception you will succeed, and through succeeding your true internal value will increase.

Even if you had good looks your standards for women would rise and you would want to date 7's

I really like this, reps on recharge, so true.Dude shut up, you're 6'3. Average guy is 5'9 / 5'10, it's a lot harder at that height.

Your height gives you a natural advantage, if you were 5'9 you'd get jack chit.





This thread has some good points. If you're not Tinder material (and you'll quickly know once you make a Tinder account, i.e. you won't get any matches), then your only other choice is to do it the old fashioned way and go out to bars / clubs and talk to women (or dating / singles events / meetups etc).


If you're not Tinder material and you're not approaching in real life, and you're not naturally that attractive, then there's more than a fair chance you won't reproduce, this world is pretty brutal and you have to give it everything you got.

you can be strong af and still be a beta

women dont magically morph into different people offline.

The underlying cause of that trend is hardwired biology and evolutionary psychology.

As the article states, we are hardwired towards polygyny. Meaning by nature most men would not be getting laid because women will happily share the top men.


Now like I said of course irl a lot more men get action , because society still promotes marriage etc so women have no choice but to settle.

But the impact is being felt on lower tier men already. I can only speak for myself, and for me nothing I do makes a difference in my results. Why? Because I'm only 5'3, my face is a 3/10 , I'm extremely dark skinned etc.

I can be the funniest, smartest, most liked man in the room and it makes no difference because they arent sexually attracted. An awesome person that you aren't sexually attracted to is by definition a friend. That's all I ever am.


For men like me, incel is the norm and theres nothing you can really do about it its nature

1) put up a shirtless pic
2) put up a picture of you fishing and/or hunting
3) put up a picture of you in a maga hat

This should get you infinite matches

One of my best friends is 5'5 and has ****ed way more girls then me. He just doesnt give a **** he will start talking to any girl no matter how out of his league she is...infact he prefers girls that are taller then him because he likes being dominated. He has always had more options then me and every time i talk to him hes text/talking to a new girl. He gives 0 ****s about rejection and because of this he approaches/talks to girls so much that his social skills are great.

Stop looking for excuses .. no mat

Not at this point. I'd be willing to fuk fat chicks at this point, cant even get them.

Show us his face or stfu. I know good looking guys who happen to be short and do fine. But I also know uglier short guys that are incels like myself and nothing changes that

ITT OP discovers app based on looks leads to good looking people succeeding.

Lol jesus. I'm definitely better than a 6 and get attention from girls here and there but I've only been with 12.

Just lol @ not using Tinder.

You entirely miss the point.

It's not just apps. This is the way women are hardwired to think.

They are not attracted to most men irl either, but settle for reasons that society gives.

That is starting to change. Theres more and more incels now as women revert to nature aka ignoring a large chunk of men who dont meet genetic and other standards

Well you you will have to work harder if you are 5'3 and 3/10 male...thats not an average male.... i was talking about average guys.


And yes i will be honest my 5'5 friend is pretty good looking...

You still have hope though this guy is getting it in lol

Yea I just need to be a star actor on one of the best shows of all time.

Yes, average guys but obviously most incels are not average. We're bottom 20% in looks particularly. So you're arguing a strawman.

And no, "hard work " doesnt fix not being attractive. I cant even fuk fat chicks

she looks thrilled

Probably has something to do with his tiny ding dong

Even your example knows the reality of the game
https://people.com/celebrity/game-of...x-symbol-talk/

Reminds me of my cousin. Dude's like 5'6" and a slayer. Complete chad mentality, he just happens to be short. He's dating a solid 8.5/10 now.

Why do so many miscer know a 5'5 guy that slays, I've never seen it. Unless he looks like Zayn

LOL @ using Tinder in 2019. Get the fuk outside.



Seems legit.

Sad part is that some of these guys are really genuine, but the hard truth is that most sloots aren't looking for his type on Tinder.

This further reinforces my point to get the fuk outside.

1000s of years of evolutionary biology and psychology doesnt change outside.

In fact, the only girl I've ever dated was off tinder not irl. That's my ugly mug, real life is even worse

They don't.

Only thing this dude slays is other dudes.

I don’t think I’m too bad looking as I get matches- have around 500 in tinder atm, and probably another 100 on bumble which I just recently installed.
I however have no game and it never leads to anything.

I’m very shy and introverted, and am too inhibited and inexperienced to escalate so the few dates I have been on have never led anywhere.

Am also very low in confidence as I’m FA and had 0 dating experience in my teens or 20s, so I have given up on it. It just leads to me paying $200+ on dinner and drinks only for them to never speak to me again. (Am a doctor, make bank)

Have you ever been clothes shopping with a woman? "I'll know it when I see it." When you don't actuallyhaveany standards, nobody can match your standards. Thus:




Ultimately, since most women find most men unattractive, most women will "settle." All we can do is try to convince them that they settled for someone pretty good.

An issue for both men and women these days is the "paradox of choice." People are convinced they want a zillion options, but the greater the number of options they have the less likely they are tomakea choice, and if they do make a choice, the less likely they are to be happy with it. When Maria lived in a village of 150 people, the only single guys her age outside the monastery were the smith's son Sammy who liked to exercise by beating his girlfriend when he was drunk, and buck-toothed wall-eyed Barry the goatherd. So she married Barry at the age of 16 and lived... well, not happily, but not miserably ever after. Now Maria lives in a city of five million people, even if she gets an intelligent handsome charming well-off man... well,maybethere's someone better out there, yeah? So by 35 she's still single. "It's just because I'm working on my career."

And of course, Maria is just illustrative; it's the same with Mario. Anyone remember the "rate 365 women in 365 days" threads here? A bunch of guys, many of whom have never had any sexual experience outside Mrs Palmer and Her Five Daughters, carefully considered the attractiveness of rich, accomplished, famous women - as if their rating mattered, because yeah, you guys totally have a chance, right? It doesn't matter how awesome or awful you are - you're never going to meet those women. But you'd rather sit at home rating women you'll never meet than actually talking to some in person.

So the guys sit around fapping furiously instead of going out and talking to people. The guys are as retarded as the chicks, just in a different way. The paradox of choice.

Online sucks. Talk to people in person, like a normal human being instead of some Bill Gates kind of fcking dork.Okay, now that sht is funny.

I have no problem with attractive women wanting attractive men only but the 80/20 rule does not have this logical reality. Also men make it easier for women, why do you think these soft rules apply to many societies? Decent 6-7/10 men pounding 4/10 gutter pigs because they can't handle blue balls etc. You have 5/10 whales having standards on hair, height, face, muscles, profession etc while they post their profile from a dump.

Also the media supports women to the fullest when it comes to condoning conditions like obesity. A man is meant to accept a woman no matter what, but the minute a man has 1 aspect not appealing then it's ok for that woman to "move on".

But it is tinder, and tinder is well tinder. All you can do is improve your weak areas and hope you find a female that doesn't visit the internet a lot.

Lmaooo at needing proof

this is a big con. has made zero difference. the only way to get girls to like you is to actually waste time on them. working on yourself hardly makes a difference.

if you want a girl to like you, you have to just put yourself out there and get rejected various times.

I think so too

In a nutshell:

Men are realistic and know that its mostly whales, timid and flaky on there. They adjust their expectations and thus their activity.

Women are less realistic (fantasy and too many chick flicks) and hope to find prince charming or some 5% body-fat Chad on there. They adjust their expectations and thus their activity.

What a pointless study. Although 80/20 still applies and is universally applicable in most cases.