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Originally Posted By clean2⏩
There seriously are ID laws? That's retarded. I only carry my keys if I'm not driving.
Thats the question I have. When i'm out jogging I don't have any ID on me. All I have it a chitty little MP3 player and my keys everything else is just too bulky especially if i'm doing sprints.

If I were to get stopped, would he have the right to detain me for 45 minutes to verify my identification?
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I would just dart out of there and sprint away if it ever did happen...

And if later caught I would just fake ignorance and say I thought it was someone pretending to be a cop
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
The government has very little need to interact and know anything about me.

That's what this country was founded on.

A cop is there to do his job but his oath is supposed to uphold and not violate the constitution.

The oath I took was to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC!!!!!

That includes cops that violate the constitution.
Show me the part of The Constitution that forbids respectful conversations between law enforcement and the citizenry.
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Originally Posted By ChewYourFood⏩
Show me the part of The Constitution that forbids respectful conversations between law enforcement and the citizenry.
Show me the part of the constitution that says I have to stop and participate in friendly conversation with anyone?

That includes cops. Especially cops actually.
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
Black people in general need to just learn to cooperate with police.

If a cop asks you to stop, just talk to them like a normal person instead of running or acting like they'll **** your shyt up
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
Thats the question I have. When i'm out jogging I don't have any ID on me. All I have it a chitty little MP3 player and my keys everything else is just too bulky especially if i'm doing sprints.

If I were to get stopped, would he have the right to detain me for 45 minutes to verify my identification?
What do you mean by "right"? They have guns and can call 20 more armed men to the scene within 15 minutes. They can detain you all they want. If they feel like letting you go, they will. What are you gonna' do, sue 'em for detaining you? Good luck. You could file a complaint, I guess. Lmfao.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
What do you mean by "right"? They have guns and can call 20 more armed men to the scene within 15 minutes. They can detain you all they want. If they feel like letting you go, they will. What are you gonna' do, sue 'em for detaining you? Good luck. You could file a complaint, I guess. Lmfao.
You're phucking right sue them.

You also have a right to defend yourself against unlawful physical force by police.
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Police cannot detain you (take away your fourth amendment rights) for no reason. So if you are truly walking down the street minding your own business, and there's no other special circumstances, the police are not allowed to detain you and demand your ID.

It gets muddy when the police say something like "Hey, mind having a seat?" or "Hey, can I see your ID?" these are questions, not commands, therefore you do not have to follow them, but it may seem like you do. This is a clear difference than "Hey, sit down" or "Hey, give me your ID". Generally, you should follow those even if you think you are doing nothing wrong, because it will just escalate things on the cop's end, which will escalate things on your end, and that won't work out for anyone. A good question to ask is always "Am I free to leave?" if they say yes, ask for your ID back and walk away, obeying all laws so they don't stop you again. If they say no, your are detained, and they don't necessarily have to tell you why.

You also don't know if maybe there was a crime committed a block away and this cop is looking for the suspect and you just happen to fit the description, so while you may be doing nothing wrong, he can still detain you, so this "You can't detain me!" idea you believe to be true, is actually wrong.

And if you feel like you have been unfairly detained and didn't get a reasonable explanation by the officer once he had time, you can always go talk to a supervisor at the station and get an explanation or apology. You can always sue. Cops get sued all the time.
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There is a 2 video series on YT called "Don't talk to cops" parts 1 & 2. The first is a lawyer advising a citizen to never talk to the police. The second is a detective agreeing with the lawyer and expounding on why a person should never talk to the police. Worth a watch.

All of that said, there is also a profound difference between cooperating with police and absconding one's rights. If a cop asks you to stop in public out of the blue, do so in a very public location and immediately start recording the interaction. Beyond that, you don't really have to do or say anything.

Miranda clearly states "can and will be used against you".
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Show me the part of the constitution that says I have to stop and participate in friendly conversation with anyone?

That includes cops. Especially cops actually.
Show me ITT where it was ever said that a cop forced anyone to talk to them as part of the OP. You can always say "no thank you" and walk away like you would any normal person. I dont know how this thread got construed as you are being detained for no reason. Typical tough guy dumb asses with a "fuk the police" mentality.
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Itt, a bunch of psuedo lawyers and try-hards bragging about how they'd ignore the cop when they would never have the nuts to do it IRL.


If they identify themselves as a police officer somehow, you'd better ask them what they want before walking away. Because intentionally ignoring a cop sounds like a quick ticket to them conjuring up probable cause of some sort. Quit acting like angsty emo teenagers and just be respectful of the police, it's not like OP is saying the cop opened the interaction by telling you drop your drawers and spread your cheeks.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Itt, a bunch of psuedo lawyers and try-hards bragging about how they'd ignore the cop when they would never have the nuts to do it IRL.


If they identify themselves as a police officer somehow, you'd better ask them what they want before walking away. Because intentionally ignoring a cop sounds like a quick ticket to them conjuring up probable cause of some sort. Quit acting like angsty emo teenagers and just be respectful of the police, it's not like OP is saying the cop opened the interaction by telling you drop your drawers and spread your cheeks.
I used to be pro cop when I was young. I thought 90 percent of cops were good. Now I feel 90% are bad.

And yes the last time I had the cops called on me I said I'm doing nothing wrong, I'm on public property, leave me alone and turned my back on them and went on doing what I was doing.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
I used to be pro cop when I was young. I thought 90 percent of cops were good. Now I feel 90% are bad.

And yes the last time I had the cops called on me I said I'm doing nothing wrong, I'm on public property, leave me alone and turned my back on them and went on doing what I was doing.
i see your point, but IMO no person is good or bad.....only we all have different perspectives. Like seeing the world through different glasses or filters. i think most cops BELIEVE that they are doing good by enforcing laws and behaving in a way that sometimes threatens our liberty. ...but it's not their fault. there is always a battle being fought between truth and control and the battleground is the mind.

Control the mind of a child and you can farm that mind into someone that does your bidding. cops are storm troopers. storm troopers work for the system and they believe in the system. the system is god, in a way to them.
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Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
i see your point, but IMO no person is good or bad.....only we all have different perspectives. Like seeing the world through different glasses or filters. i think most cops BELIEVE that they are doing good by enforcing laws and behaving in a way that sometimes threatens our liberty. ...but it's not their fault. there is always a battle being fought between truth and control and the battleground is the mind.

Control the mind of a child and you can farm that mind into someone that does your bidding. cops are storm troopers. storm troopers work for the system and they believe in the system. the system is god, in a way to them.
Most cops aren't as disillusioned as people think... it's just a job and 99% of the time as a cop I'm not helping people any more than the barista at starbucks is helping someone by giving them their morning coffee. Most cops are aware of this and know it's just a job, I'm sure your job makes you do some stupid chit you disagree with. Problem is the probably 10% of cops who think they're the chit just because they have a badge and gun and go on power trips or in general are just douchers. No one likes working with them.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You're phucking right sue them.

You also have a right to defend yourself against unlawful physical force by police.
Any rights that you think you have only exist in your mind.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Any rights that you think you have only exist in your mind.
Actually no.

A jailed handcuffed subject was being assaulted by a cop in the booking area and fought back while cuffed and inflicted some damage.

Cop tacked on assault on a cop.

Judge ruled that the cop was in the wrong and the prisoner had a right to defend himself even though he was under arrest.
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There is a right way and a wrong way to handle these things. Even if the officer is wrong, you still need to stay in the right. It's not an excuse to act a fool because then you justified the officer's actions. Then the officer can say "I knew he was up to something/sucpicious". Got to keep your hands clean no matter what.

If you don't want to talk/interact with them, you need to let them know by clearly stating this. If they insist, your best bet is to go ahead and participate within reason and get their name and badge number, and call it in. Most likely they will say someone fitting your description... blah blah blah.... and you need to find out if that was true. It's taken more seriously than you might think. One report isn't going to do much, but the same officer keeps getting the same kind of complaints, it can effect their careers and even get them fired. Anything extreme, contact a lawyer.
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Originally Posted By ChewYourFood⏩
Who the fuk are you guise and where do you live that you have such animosity towards law enforcement? You guise sound like grade-a scumbags
Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Show me the part of the constitution that says I have to stop and participate in friendly conversation with anyone?

That includes cops. Especially cops actually.
You don't have to do chit. But the idea that a police officer having a civil conversation qualifies him as a domestic enemy of the constitution is asinine. Furthermore, what kind of s-hole community do you live where you don't want to assist the police in solving / enforcing / preventing crime?

Enjoy your Terry frisk while I'm lmaoing with the officer. A little respect and congeniality go a long FUKING way. Not sure how at 50 years of roaming this World, you haven't figured that out. Your advice will lead the young men of this board astray.
Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
And yes the last time I had the cops called on me I said I'm doing nothing wrong, I'm on public property, leave me alone and turned my back on them and went on doing what I was doing.
The last time I had the cops called on me
The last time
The last time
The last time
The last time

Sounds grade-a to me. I stand by my original statement.
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Originally Posted By ChewYourFood⏩
You don't have to do chit. But the idea that a police officer having a civil conversation qualifies him as a domestic enemy of the constitution is asinine. Furthermore, what kind of s-hole community do you live where you don't want to assist the police in solving / enforcing / preventing crime?

Enjoy your Terry frisk while I'm lmaoing with the officer. A little respect and congeniality go a long FUKING way. Not sure how at 50 years of roaming this World, you haven't figured that out. Your advice will lead the young men of this board astray.



The last time I had the cops called on me
The last time
The last time
The last time
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Sounds grade-a to me. I stand by my original statement.
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I never understood this stuff.

Talk to the cop like a normal fkking person. If you aren't carrying drugs or an illegal weapon, what's the harm?
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If someone politely asks me a question, I talk to them like a normal person. Don't get this hostility Americans have to the police. Maybe it's different in Australia because they have fewer trigger-happy cops here.

I mean if you feel like an indentured serf whenever you have a conversation with someone you haven't met before, that maybe says more about you than it does the state of freedom in your nation.
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Originally Posted By ChewYourFood⏩
You don't have to do chit. But the idea that a police officer having a civil conversation qualifies him as a domestic enemy of the constitution is asinine. Furthermore, what kind of s-hole community do you live where you don't want to assist the police in solving / enforcing / preventing crime?

Enjoy your Terry frisk while I'm lmaoing with the officer. A little respect and congeniality go a long FUKING way. Not sure how at 50 years of roaming this World, you haven't figured that out. Your advice will lead the young men of this board astray.



The last time I had the cops called on me
The last time
The last time
The last time
The last time

Sounds grade-a to me. I stand by my original statement.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I never understood this stuff.

Talk to the cop like a normal fkking person. If you aren't carrying drugs or an illegal weapon, what's the harm?
Considering all cops are fat POS pigs who love starting confrontations with people getting on with their day, there is lots of harm in it.

It seems to be the majority of white people are pro cop, nothing wrong with that but surely you somewhere begin to question why is it the majority of colored people don't like cops..... Is every single colored person wrong?
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
Considering all cops are fat POS pigs who love starting confrontations with people getting on with their day, there is lots of harm in it.

It seems to be the majority of white people are pro cop, nothing wrong with that but surely you somewhere begin to question why is it the majority of colored people don't like cops..... Is every single colored person wrong?
Every interaction with a cop I've had has ranged between professional and actually pleasant. Of course, it must be the color of my skin and not me attempting to show some respect and make sure they are comfortable in the situation, right?

I'll answer your question. The left has put out so much propaganda about cops hunting black people, irs poisoned the culture and now the majority decide they need to treat cops like rival gang members or something. It's ridiculous. I don't even blame the black community as much as the media narrative. If I grew up hearing "hey the cops hate you and are out to get you", I'm sure I'd be a dick when they tried talking to me too.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I never understood this stuff.

Talk to the cop like a normal fkking person. If you aren't carrying drugs or an illegal weapon, what's the harm?
I understand this line of thinking. And if you know the cop personally, that's a different matter.

However, there are many instances where citizens took this attitude into a random interaction with the police and ended up going through massive amounts of unnecessary hardship.

Always keep in mind, by law, anything you say can and will be used against you. Not for you, not in your defense, not maybe just a little bit; can and will be used against you.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Every interaction with a cop I've had has ranged between professional and actually pleasant. Of course, it must be the color of my skin and not me attempting to show some respect and make sure they are comfortable in the situation, right?

I'll answer your question. The left has put out so much propaganda about cops hunting black people, irs poisoned the culture and now the majority decide they need to treat cops like rival gang members or something. It's ridiculous. I don't even blame the black community as much as the media narrative. If I grew up hearing "hey the cops hate you and are out to get you", I'm sure I'd be a dick when they tried talking to me too.
It's not about black people. It's about poor people. If a cop thinks you don't have the means to come after him legally they will go to far and intentionally try and jam you up.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Itt, a bunch of psuedo lawyers and try-hards bragging about how they'd ignore the cop when they would never have the nuts to do it IRL.


If they identify themselves as a police officer somehow, you'd better ask them what they want before walking away. Because intentionally ignoring a cop sounds like a quick ticket to them conjuring up probable cause of some sort. Quit acting like angsty emo teenagers and just be respectful of the police, it's not like OP is saying the cop opened the interaction by telling you drop your drawers and spread your cheeks.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I never understood this stuff.

Talk to the cop like a normal fkking person. If you aren't carrying drugs or an illegal weapon, what's the harm?
That.

Not sure why I'd just turn around and walk away in the first place. Context matters. Would you do the same thing to a fireman?
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