It's not a certainty you fuking autist. Sorry to be harsh, but you FAs drive me crazy. You lack any real experience with women, but you think you understand all the psychological intricacies of women. There is such a thing as an emotional connection. And an intellectual connection, though the latter is not as important in romantic relationships. If you pass a woman's looks threshold (and contrary to incel logic you don't have to be a Chad to do this) and you then establish a strong bond with her, she won't be thinking of leaving you for the next shiny object. She'll actually want to be with you despite your flaws. And btw, even "Chad" will sabotage a relationship over the long-term if he fails to maintain an adequate emotional bond over time. I've witnessed it.

The way some of you think is bizarre. You have this idea that all women are basically primal creatures who lack any kind of discretion or independence of thought, and that they use online platforms like a human assembly line, always trading-up. You don't realize that you're projecting your own insecurities onto the outside world.

I only know one incel irl. He's a super positive guy. Always has a good outlook, can socialize, works a good job. But he has that stereotypical nerd look who wouldn't hurt a fly. He's too good for this world tbh.

Been doing the above for probably 15 years or so. Literally nothing else to do other than make the occasional YouTube video that nobody watches. Not a "Tradie" though.Of course it's a certainty. Do you really think someone with zero ability to talk to/connect with women is going to be able to establish this "emotional connection" you speak of, and then maintain it strongly enough to hold a woman's attention so she doesn't start looking for the next best option to come along? Of course not. There's a million ways I'd fuk it up and I can think of precisely zero ways to establish it in the first place, let alone maintain it. Even if I woke up tomorrow and was down to like 200lbs, 10% bodyfat, etc, nothing would change. My best option is probably a lobotomy so I could become a totally different person. A nice head injury would probably achieve a similar effect.

At least you acknowledge that the problem goes way beyond your looks. As for whether it's a certainty or not, it's hard to say. Life can be unpredictable. Obviously, if you don't want to change, you won't.

Mentally, I was around the same place 10 years ago. But it's easier to change when you're still young, and I never had to deal with weight problems either. I'm guessing you're around 40, and at that point your personality, habits, and mental state are basically set. Whether it's too late or not for you, I have no idea.

Pretty sure these guys lock eyes with a girl checking them out and then just look down at the ground like 5 times a day.

the more i see incels post here the more i want nothing to do with that group. i am nothing like them. i am a normal person who likes normal things like sports and stuff who just so happens to be a virgin. it's funny because the girl i am talking to right now i think views me as a chad (lol)

One way to break out of those plateaus is to work in 24-48hr fasts into your routine. Your metabolism adjusts to calorie restriction, but it won't adjust to fasting as your insulin levels drop and your body goes into full fat burning mode. Just a suggestion if you keep running into these plateaus.

Best post I've seen in a while.

But it starts with looks. Women aren't going to give me the time of day looking like I do, so all the rest is irrelevant.

It's fukn bullchit propogated by cnuts who have never spoken to a woman.

To get laid all you need to do is be funny and have enough cash to buy some booze. 100% srs.

The existence of purposted female incels is even more perplexing. To get laid as a female, all you need to do is exist. There dudes out there who's fetish is to **** fat ugly women. I mean, it's just impossible not to be able to get laid.

Go to India and see all the fat ugly people that have reproduced. It is possible, easy even.

A lot of truth here. Parents are playing a large role in this too. I don’t know how many I see these days who have teenage sons who rarely leave the house. Just sit in their rooms playing video games or on the computer. This is especially bad in homes run by single moms. How the hell is he supposed to develop into normal human being when he doesn’t interact with any in real life?

this is total BS. sure the average joe isn't going to be able to get a 10/10 victoria's secret model, but i've seen plenty of ugly, fat, balding, etc. guys dating cute women

As an incel brah, IMO it comes down to

-women can make their own money now, so your average autist STEMcel/coder who never had anything to offer but money is ****ed.

-Computers and the Internet make LDAR much easier and more bearable, diminishing incel brahs' motivation to change their situation.

Just when I thought you’d turned the corner... you come back with this bullchit.

You’re a tall, healthy (presumably) white male with all of your limbs and no physical deformities. You have a decent job and live in a first world country. You honestly have it better than 90% of the rest of the world lol.

I’m guessing that every time you interact with a woman you’re probably tense as fuk and either don’t smile or don’t maintain eye contact... or both. Just relax and put yourself in situations where you don’t have to cold approach. Join some clubs or take a class or something. Something that’s going to give you access to women.

A yoga class.

A language class.

A photography class.

A hiking club.

Volunteer at an animal clinic or a hospital.

Take a trip to another continent and see how other people live. See some sights and talk to some people who have different perspectives. See if you find it easier talking to European women... or Asian women... or S. American women.

You can’t just sit at home bemoaning the fact that you can’t find a woman to talk to. Nothing is going change. She’s not just going to fall from the sky into your lap.

Edit (from another thread):Did this happen or am I just completely unaware lol

Again there will be tons of orbiters at those places. Except an animal shelter. Good luck getting a girl out of the maybe 4 choices you have when every girl has orbiters or more familiar men she can talk to. Absolutely haram to think a man wants to jump though all of these hoops to find a date. Might as well pack all of your chit up and move to the beach if you are going to have to do that.

Most incels act completely normal irl. They just look ugly.
Look at Nicklol, he looks like a ugly wojak. No amount of personality will save him. No offense nicklol

I feel like a lot of these "incels" could actually be decent looking if they put in some effort.

The problem is, some guys are literally born with no sense of fashion sense at all. I mean simple things like wearing a good colour combination, good hair cut etc. I'm not sure how people develop this in their child hood but some guys have it and some don't. Some guys just sub consciously and consciously know what looks good and do the things that make them look good and other guys have no idea.

Incel isn't synonymous with virgin.

Ok, I'm back. Just found out that my computer is fixed and will be here either today or tomorrow. Bills for the month paid and groceries bought, time for some sweet little redpills.

Misc, I am disappoint with some of ya'll. My dad is in his mid-60s, has a hunched back and is 5'3". He tells me that if he were a single man he would have no problem with getting a woman. I believe him because he doesn't act like a beta *******. He often flirts with store clerks and chit. Never whines about his insecurities, is hard working, knows a bunch of chit about how things work. In fact when you work with him you soon forget that he has any sort of disability.

He went for a check up at the hospital a few months ago and the doctor was shocked at how quickly he moves around, "whoa, take it easy, sir.". Other people his age over here are either long time alcoholics or in miserable states. They were like you incels, they gave up on life a long time ago.

When a woman looks at you, the first impression affects a lot, but it's not the only thing. I'm going to bring the Bible into this again. The Bible has many redpills here and there sprinkled with words of wisdom on how to live a decent life. Many choose to ignore them and then suffer for it. It tells men to love their wife and for women to respect their husband. It's easy for a man to respect his woman and for a woman to love her man.

These things apply not just within marriage either. When a woman respects you, she will not only listen to you but treat you like a god. First impressions aren't everything, you can still put yourself into a position where the woman will naturally become attracted to you on an intellectual and spiritual level. It's easier for a woman to fall in love with an ugly man, because believe whatever you like about modern day women, they still respond to masculinity, dominance and confidence more than to looks.

Looks are only a small part of the full package. Ya'll ****** go on Tinder and get turned down by sloots who have daddy issues, looking for one night stands. What did you think was going to happen? That's like a preacher walking into a whorehouse and then getting depressed that no one wants to listen to his sermon. Pick your battles, *******s.



Slightly off-topic: I was buying chicken fillets today at the meat shop and while waiting in line, an older woman cut through. I didn't say anything but patiently waited. After she was finished, I told the cashier lady what I wanted. The older woman turned around and was like "Oh, you were in line? Why didn't you say anything?" I simply replied, "Well, because you cut through." and she responded, "I apologize for that, I didn't know you were in line." Me, "It's not a problem." If I was speaking in English I would have explained to her that in America we are used to the common courtesy of not cutting in line and that mainly rude people do that. I didn't say that, but instead just smirked at the cashier lady.

Here's the thing, though. When I was younger, I would've been angry at this situation and would have belittled myself for not being dominant there and then. If I were an incel I would have went on a message board and complained about how some "evil woman cut in line. As a man, I can't catch a break, etc." Russian isn't my first language and it's difficult to explain it, so I just let it go. The reality of it, is that it's no big deal. It's just how things are done here. A lot of people do it, even if it is a bit annoying.

OP is known to be THE most incel guy on the misc, possibly one of the most incel in the world. his cock has been described as "harder to find than waldo", with thickness roughly on par with its deBroglie wavelength. im estimating his size to be at least 30 orders of magnitude below the planck length, bone pressed, with immeasurable girth. he would have been absolutely destroyed by any female's pussy.

they would have spent hours and hours on foreplay, fumbling around, trying to get her wet just so she can laugh at him. i can just imagine him begging for it, with her barely able to force a smile, squirming, demanding him to get it over with. she would have been scarred for life within seconds of taking his micropeen, wondering "Is it in yet?".. needless to say, the orgasm would have been nonexistent, with her vaginal muscles trying desperately to clamp down on his quantum appendage, her whole body quivering in rage and impatience..

i bet she still vomits to the memory of it

That was bleak as bro...

You seem to be really harsh on yourself especially when it comes to looks. A decent looking female miscer agreed to sleep with you. You made it way, way further than I ever have. I know it is easy to put yourself down, but I really think you should just relax a little. There are TONS of guys on here for women to choose from, and she chose to sleep with you. I know if it were me, it would make me feel really good about myself. You obviously have a lot of good things going for you for such a thing to happen. You're special man, really

Of course, I can't make you feel one way or another, but I hope it helps to put things into perspective and help you move forward.

lol its when i stopped caring about women so much that they started really noticing and taking interest.

incels idolize women. alphas are actually focused on themselves.

It was her idea, and I of course went along with it (would be categorically retarded to turn her down). My problem is a complete inability to go out, attract, and ultimately create a relationship with a woman in real life. It's easy to be the one pursued and "say yes" (I imagine this is what women feel like 100% of the time), but to be the one who successfully approaches the target of your desire, and have that interaction bare positive results is something I've never been capable of doing. It's fuking infuriating.

Well dang dude it sounds like you got it goin on then. You need to change your name to InstantWinner haha.I don't think many people here are in a position to give you solid advice, since none of us have seen how you approach people. Although it may not be a bad idea to reach out to Svonne if she is still around and chat with her.

If I were in your position though, I would always think back to Svonne when the negativity starts eating away at me and say, "No, it can't be *that* bad. I may not be a male model, but I am desirable". Hope you can get past this because I believe there is a girl out there waiting for you to make her happy.

I imagine incels to be 3/10 nice guys who think they deserve a HBB rather than doing interesting things for themselves and just being attractive people. kind of like those threads that get created from time ti time when the nice guys have complete meltdowns

If I was on a dry spell I'd be perfectly happy to shag up an average girl. I feel like these guys need to just aim lower.

Serious guys being ripped is just one hobby and one aspect of your life. Do things for yourself that you find interesting, I love to hike and read. I constantly tell people about things I've read or what I've done and conversation flows.

Dude look at the FA face thread there are/were hundreds of good looking incels that couldn't even talk to girls. It's a new phenomenon. It's not like we are retarded or can't talk. Idk why people think all incels are ugly and autistic.

It's not new, you just never heard about it until social media became more prevalent. Information travels much faster online.

They have always existed but no way there were as many back in the day.