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Thread: In 1990 not one US state had an obesity rate above 15%. As of 2016....

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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
The average american diet is so horrible. Goes like this

Starbucks coffee
Breakfast
2-3 sodas
little debbie snack
Fast food
couple beers
Frozen dinner + ice cream
me af lol
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Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
im pretty sure youre wrong about that
I'm looking into it.

Full disclosure, anything I've found suggests people were slightly more active in the 1950s (although once you hit the 1970s and the obesity rates started skyrocketing, people were more-or-less the same as they are today, if not less active; more gym memberships now and such).

I'll come back to this tomorrow when I have some time, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll say as much.
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
The blame goes primarily to the gov't srs. The health and nutrition information they were putting out in the 80's & 90's was absolute garbage, created the "low-fat" wave that pumped everything full of simple carbs and caused an entire generation to become generally resistant to insulin.
Pretty much this. Carbs are the WORST thing you can consume for weight gain. Yes there is a healthy amount people should be eating and not everyone should be living on Keto, but if you're going to cut something from your diet, it shouldn't be fat. BRB food pyramid tells you to basically pretend you're a grazing cow.
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have any of you ever cut before? bottom line is people are eating more and exercising less thats why theyre all fat. the real question is why.
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The problem is that 99% of the advice out there is chit.

This article nicely explains it all (also which my transformation is featured in, das it):

http://www.paleofx.com/blog/why-diet...ore-bad-advice
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Obesity rates have gone up over the years, it correlates pretty strongly with the food pyramid. We now know the sugar industry was manipulating studies to shift the blame to fats. Who knows how good any study is, to be honest, knowing powerful lobbies are capable of manipulating them like this. At the very least, I wouldn't look at any single study for too much (also, non-human studies - not at all; don't care about rats, I care about people)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/w...me-to-fat.html

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-...y-science.html

The problem boils down to Sucrose/sugar as much as anything. We shouldn't be eating it very much, we're eating tons of it.

Yes, calories matter, to a degree, but they are not this end-all-be-all people promote and think of them as. Don't tell me 1,000 calories from sugar is no different than 1,000 calories of steak or 1,000 calories from grass fed butter.

I tend to follow Dr. Jason Fung, which there are many detractors or nay-sayers there, your call. He's got many studies, human ones, that he cites.
1,000 calories are 1,000 calories insofar as supplying your body with energy goes, but of course getting the amount from mostly sugar and starch with loads of salt will keep you craving for more because you're not getting the proteins to keep your digestive system busy/build your muscles, and all the sodium makes you want to keep your mouth watered with more food and drink.
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Deliberate culling to reduce population and ramp up health care costs. kinda srs
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Obesity rates have gone up over the years, it correlates pretty strongly with the food pyramid. We now know the sugar industry was manipulating studies to shift the blame to fats. Who knows how good any study is, to be honest, knowing powerful lobbies are capable of manipulating them like this. At the very least, I wouldn't look at any single study for too much (also, non-human studies - not at all; don't care about rats, I care about people)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/w...me-to-fat.html

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-...y-science.html

The problem boils down to Sucrose/sugar as much as anything. We shouldn't be eating it very much, we're eating tons of it.

Yes, calories matter, to a degree, but they are not this end-all-be-all people promote and think of them as. Don't tell me 1,000 calories from sugar is no different than 1,000 calories of steak or 1,000 calories from grass fed butter.

I tend to follow Dr. Jason Fung, which there are many detractors or nay-sayers there, your call. He's got many studies, human ones, that he cites.
aside from satiety, calories (with protein intake being equal) is the end all be all in terms of body composition. We just had a guy do the twinkie diet for gods sake to prove that very fact.
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30% due to increase in sedentary lifestyle due to instant gratification types of technology. Want to watch a movie at home in 1990? Walk outside, go to blockbuster, pay $5 for some chitty vhs that is going to have tracking lines and probably jam up your vhs player. Want to be movie in 2019? Press a button on your remote to start Netflix and you're good. I remember like 10 years ago when "binge watching" a show was a guilty pleasure that I could feel was unhealthy strange behavior. Now after years of training it's a fun frequent passtime.

30% imo is due to changed food culture of Americans. Portions are bigger, fast food has slowly become more accept to eat at a higher frequency.

Last 40% is probably due to decreased amounts of exercise in the form of work (manufacturing, construction, shipping, etc) and recreation. I feel like everybody in 1990 even adults had sports or outdoor hobbies that had them moving more. Go to a park now if there are adults there with their kids they are just binge eating potato chips at the BBQ or standing around while their kids ride the swings. When they used to be riding bikes and throwing the football around and chit. When the last time you saw a group of adults playing touch football at a BBQ? You don't... Nobody wants to run around and let people see their fat parts flopping around. With regard to work, almost all physical jobs have become automated and have specialized lifting equipment. Most of these jobs have simply been outsourced anyway.
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Never believe anything at school brb

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Need 10 different types of food per meal
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I think its a combination of mental problems and promoting individuality too much. People dont care that they are poor representations of their community because “muh freedoms”
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Originally Posted By WrestlingFan123⏩
aside from satiety, calories (with protein intake being equal) is the end all be all in terms of body composition. We just had a guy do the twinkie diet for gods sake to prove that very fact.
Link? Sounds nuts, would like to see the specifics.
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Originally Posted By SkinnyPhatBrah⏩
Very much this. Chit is insanely addictive, but just not got dam filling. So you eat more, crave more, and cycle.

It's legit terrifying in a way.
they claim it's for "freshness" or "texture" or "color" or whatever.....really? they need all those chemicals that are BANNED in most other countries, by the way, but they're in the food people give their children. Maybe it's it's just a drug cocktail with some flour and lard? Every generation after the 70's are becoming addicts which would explain the explosion in obesity.
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
We fat as fuk son.

As soon as male standards started accepting whales it was all downhill from there.
It seems more like, as soon as female standards started accepting male whales...

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Originally Posted By KyleAaron⏩
It seems more like, as soon as female standards started accepting male whales...

looks like whales loving whales to me
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Originally Posted By Esrex⏩
I got fat after I got married and a serious job. In my case I kept on eating like I lift and stopped lifting haha. Now that I'm lifting again I'm 50lbs down from my avi

but wouldn't a nicotine addict have the potential to become a food addict, same way heron addicts take up cigarettes ie become nicotine addicts when they quit?
I do believe there is a correlation between reduced smoking and increased obesity, but I don't think it is really about addiction, just that nicotine is an appetite suppressant.
Originally Posted By Tanerian⏩
Poverty is getting worse.
Poor people eat chittier and are more sedentary.
All they can really afford as a vice are garbage foods and sedentary habbits.
A lot of this.
Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
boys are doing worse in schools and girls are excelling that's a fact and there's a lot of debate on why

in case you missed this point let me say it againmy theoryis that schools have moved away from and even discourage competition which is detrimental to boys and beneficial to girls, this lack of competition growing up is not good for the development of boys. This is a testable theory but it would take a lifetime to study so chances of an extensive study being done on this isn't likely. The easiest way to test this would be to compare the test levels of kids that grew up playing sports and those that didn't but you couldn't really conclude anything from that other than there may be a correlation to playing sports and higher test but wouldn't be able to go as far as saying they could identify it being the cause

this cover it well enough?
Doubt it is due to lack of competition. Lack of time outside/physical exercise is a maybe. Also birth control pills peed out into the water supply.
Originally Posted By AniMaLizTik⏩
also, I believe fast food and junk food corporations have scientifically mastered the ratios of carbs, fats, salts, and that laundry list of chemicals that you can't pronounce to make their products as addictive as possible.

After I have the rare breakfast at McDonalds while traveling or grab a pack of cookies on the go, I can feel my body craving more a while later. not the same with "normal" food. anyone else?
Yes, they have special scientists that chemically fiddle around with flavorings and other ingredients to maximize consumption.

No one has mentioned yet that for a lot of people gaining weight isn't a big one time event, but more like a gradual accretion of picking up a few pounds around the holidays or vacation every year and never losing that weight.

Don't see how economics can't be a factor. Something like roughly half of US workers earn $32K (or less) per year. Meanwhile good luck finding a decent apartment in most cities under $1K a month. Rising cost of health insurance/health care. Most families both adults work so it is tough to manage shopping/cooking very well + fresh foods spoil vs. frozen/processed which are good for a long time. So take out/fast food or putting something in the microwave are probably the most common "meal solutions" for those that can't afford to buy "dinner in a box" kits.
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it's muh thyroid. continues to scarf down junk food
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Don't see how economics can't be a factor. Something like roughly half of US workers earn $32K (or less) per year. Meanwhile good luck finding a decent apartment in most cities under $1K a month. Rising cost of health insurance/health care. Most families both adults work so it is tough to manage shopping/cooking very well + fresh foods spoil vs. frozen/processed which are good for a long time. So take out/fast food or putting something in the microwave are probably the most common "meal solutions" for those that can't afford to buy "dinner in a box" kits.
Great point. i don't buy tho whole BS about "Oh it's cheaper to eat fast food!"....No, it's not. 20lbs or rice, beans, buy veggies from local farmers....you can feed a family of 4 very very cheap.

...but it's not convenient....and people are busy working to pay the bills. makes sense
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Link? Sounds nuts, would like to see the specifics.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...sor/index.html
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.
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The rise in not chewing enough while eating, the rise in mindless eating(eating while driving, watching tv, walking from a-b), the rise in not sitting down as a family to eat dinner, the rise in eating out in general, hormone changes, food additives, everything now being drenched in mayo based sauces, portion sizes and plate sizes increasing, more sedentary lifestyles combined with more convenience in getting food at all times of day and night. The rise in “foodies” who always wait until the next over the top meal they can gorge on(I’m guilty of this), the rise in ages that people are getting married(essentially meaning later in life that they start sitting down to dinner with their family and a higher age that they’re eating out and partying and getting drunk food).

These are just a small few of the reasons that are often looked. The main takeaway? There’s not just one thing. It’s a product of our society and it’s not going away anytime soon. Get used to it and do what you can to keep yourself healthy
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The average person comes home and lays on the coach to watch tv while they surf the web on their phone/tablet/laptop. Then they get into their bed and do it even more until they sleep.

The other thing being the type of jobs in the US. The percentage of manufacturing jobs in the US greatly dropped off in the early 1990s and transitioned into more service roles. I'd imagine all these service jobs have people sit or stand around all day.
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The biggest driver has been technology, which has driven rotting to a new state of prestige and luxury. Just LOL at how lazy people are. BRB driving to the gym and bloatmaxxing. Also, people are so lazy thesedays that they can't be bothered to meet up if there is nothing in it for them. This mentality is resulting in more isolation and increased dependency on technology.

And let's not forget the:

1. Genetic modification of grain, vegetable and fruit crops. I'm sure these have lower nutritional value than in the past.
2. Massive push in cereals and dairy which has expanded throughout the world. Now countries in Asia are getting fatter. Asians are actually busier running around to show people face-time/ respect
3. Processed food options for everything. Be it ready to eat, heat up or take away. Cooking at home is the best option, even though it is still expensive and produce is lower in quality than 10-20 years ago
4. Over realiance on drug fed chickens. It blows my mind how chicken has taken over in such a strong way. Chickens are absolutely massive now and dirt cheap
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I wonder if this has a correlation to the number of people pulling 5 plates deadlifts now. Its basically the norm
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
So its gone up 7% in 30 years?

What's happened in these last 30 years?

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before the anti sugar zealots make it in
does that include high fructose corn syrup and other nasty chemicals that destroy your metabolism? ever notice how processed foods digest much slower than natural and fresh foods?

also, people used to eat 3 meals a day. now there's snacks in between, foods/drinks full of bad sweeteners.

not enough fasting and the war on FATS definitely has to be the main cause though. even 50 years ago, humans were following a modified version of intermittent fasting.




without fasting you won't enter advanced auto****y. without advanced auto****y, your body isn't getting rid of old and dead cells that slowly destroy your body. imagine not changing your car oil for 5 years then suddenly getting an oil change? the damage has already been done and is almost irreversible. that's why cancer is on the rise.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
I don't think there's 1 thing to blame. A mix of poor health education, dwindling physical activity, and ready access to nutritionally poor but calorie rich foods. USA also doesn't seem to have a minor stigma towards indulging in fast foods like other nations do.

To the last point - drive thru's were bad enough, now we can sit on the couch and have 3,500 calories of burgers, pizzas, wings and shakes delivered to our door.
basically

fast food is groce (fake meat especially calling out mcd's/subway)

there needs to be more transparency from the gov.

certain processed food is tolerable (for those unaware)
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Originally Posted By FIREnICE⏩
i thought i sucked at SATs




does that include high fructose corn syrup and other nasty chemicals that destroy your metabolism? ever notice how processed foods digest much slower than natural and fresh foods?

also, people used to eat 3 meals a day. now there's snacks in between, foods/drinks full of bad sweeteners.

not enough fasting and the war on FATS definitely has to be the main cause though. even 50 years ago, humans were following a modified version of intermittent fasting.




without fasting you won't enter advanced auto****y. without advanced auto****y, your body isn't getting rid of old and dead cells that slowly destroy your body. imagine not changing your car oil for 5 years then suddenly getting an oil change? the damage has already been done and is almost irreversible. that's why cancer is on the rise.
According to USDA-FAS,since 1990 global corn consumption has increased 116%, from 473 million metric tons to just over 1 billion metric tons.This represents an annual average increase of 3% per year. ... Total Domestic Corn Consumption and Consumption Growth in the Ten Largest Corn Consuming Countries as of 2016.
In terms of the US:

From 1990 - 2016

105% increase in corn consumption

https://ageconomists.com/2017/02/27/...n-consumption/
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Originally Posted By aleeboy⏩
Genetic modification of grain, vegetable and fruit crops. I'm sure these have lower nutritional value than in the past.
I once thought this, but apparently it's not true.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...89157516302113

People are getting less nutrients from fruit and vegetables because they're not eating them. In Australia, only 4% of adults are getting the recommended 5 serves (2.5 cups) of vegetables a day, and that's down to 0.4% in this board's demographic, 15-25yo males. It doesn't really matter what's in the food if you don't eat it.
Processed food options for everything. Be it ready to eat, heat up or take away.
This is definitely so. As food is processed, by weight it has less micronutrients and fibre and more calories. A pound of whole wheat and a pound of wholemeal bread and a pound of white bread and a pound of doughnuts are not the same thing.

People like to demonise a particular food or nutrient. Fat, no wait saturated fat, no wait it's carbs, well actually it's simple carbs, no hang on it's high fructose corn syrup, don't be silly it's - and so on. The fact is though that most Westerners are overweight but undernourished. They have stacks of calories, but not as many vitamins and minerals as they should. This is why my dietary advice to my gym members is: if 80% of your food spending is at the greengrocer, butcher and fishmonger, you're probably doing alright.
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Originally Posted By WrestlingFan123⏩
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...sor/index.html
That is an interesting study. In terms of chronic obesity, diabetes, hypertension, coronary heart disease and etc, we are usually talking about years--if not decades--of poor dietary habits.

I would like to see his results after a year, five years, and ten years. Dramatic changes in diet over a short period of time do not mimic dietary habits that span numerous years.

I don't think healthful dietary habits should be so hard to figure out as they can sometimes seem. Eat primarily whole foods and limit your intake of processed foods. Beans, fruits, nuts, seeds, vegetables, grains, and etc contain life and life sustaining properties.

Fruits and vegetables breath. Biological activity is taking place in them. Phytonutrients protect their skin from the sun. They are alive.

A lot of people primarily subsist on food that does not contain life, never contained any life, or if it did the only life in it at the time they consume it is bacterial (flesh).

Whole foods contain their own digestive properties like fiber, water, and fat. Bacteria in the large intestine produces beutyric acid from fiber, which is used by cells in the stomach to improve nutrient absorption and keep toxins from entering the body through the stomach (as well as providing them with the energy to accomplish this).

Nutrients are needed by our vital organs to function and do their jobs, and to say that a thousand calories is a thousand calories belies this fact. Organs and the endocrine system need essential components to balance biological systems that can indirectly and directly impact body composition, and certainly impact biological function as we experience it (regularity, sleep, cognition, respiration, circulation and etc).

There is a relationship between food and biological function that impacts activity levels. Eating high calorie foods devoid of micronutrients and digestive properties places a burden on the body, offers little in return, and wastes precious energy that can be used for physical activity. How many people want to get out for a walk or show up at the gym when their head is foggy, their stomach is full of blood to digest their laborious meal, and lethargy is overwhelming them? Now what if they have diabetes or hypertension on top of that?

I know Miscers are a special breed but most people are going to sit down in front of the tv and maybe crack a beer, or smoke a l. Throw some kids into the mix and/or a demanding career/academia and forget about it.


Tl;dr

Lack of emphasis on whole foods is to blame, imo, as well as laziness.
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