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post 1579275381 05-02-2019, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Legit question, because this topic gets discussed a lot here.

Do lifters really care if other lifters are natty or not? Or is it just a topic of discussion?
my buddy would talk so much ****. He would hate on them any chance he could get.... and this was based purely out of insecurity. I know this because eventually he asked for (and received) vials of test and did a few runs
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
Let me let you in on a little secret OP. About 90% of those gym rats over 30 who look like they lift are not natty. Not to say that their bodies are not able to be achieved natty but why workout and diet that hard when there is a shortcut that is one MD visit away?
Why would you presume people don't work hard, eat right, take the right vitamins etc and achieve results?

Why presume that people cheat?
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I do? news to me
You always did from what I knew...happy to hear if you came clean about it.
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post 1579276241 05-02-2019, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By superman704⏩
You're right, maybe he's just a genetic freak, who knows. When he said he was ''natty'' is sounded like he was telling the truth
He doesn't even have to be a genetic freak. I'm the former skinny kid in high school and got bigger than that guy in the pic, natty. It just takes time, effort, smart training, smart eating, etc. I'm telling you, that guy is easily natty if he's done those things.
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
Why would you presume people don't work hard, eat right, take the right vitamins etc and achieve results?

Why presume that people cheat?
I always lol at people who call it cheating. Unless someone is competing in a sport or a "natty" bb competition, what exactly are they cheating at?
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post 1579276331 05-02-2019, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted By HannoCometh⏩
Why presume that people cheat?
It is a form of coping in the face of personal failure.
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
I always lol at people who call it cheating. Unless someone is competing in a sport or a "natty" bb competition, what exactly are they cheating at?
Cheating at lifting weights bro.


Cheating at lifting weights.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Legit question, because this topic gets discussed a lot here.

Do lifters really care if other lifters are natty or not? Or is it just a topic of discussion?
Only people that care are the people that rarely go. The people that are the most judgemental are the people saying they dont want to be judged usually. All they do is look around and compare. People that are serious about lifting are usually in the zone not really paying attention to anyone else.
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
I always lol at people who call it cheating. Unless someone is competing in a sport or a "natty" bb competition, what exactly are they cheating at?
100% agree. Like there is some "competition" in life that everyone is supposed to follow unstated rules on.
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Yeah, I just don't get caring unless the person is competing. I assume people understand the risks and make the choice on what they want. I have body goals for myself; I give no chits about anyone else's.
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
He doesn't even have to be a genetic freak. I'm the former skinny kid in high school and got bigger than that guy in the pic, natty. It just takes time, effort, smart training, smart eating, etc. I'm telling you, that guy is easily natty if he's done those things.
This. Don't just presume that *everyone* takes drugs!
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Legit question, because this topic gets discussed a lot here.

Do lifters really care if other lifters are natty or not? Or is it just a topic of discussion?
No, I only lol @ fake natties because they are pathetic failures on every level
post 1579293201 05-02-2019, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
No, I only lol @ fake natties because they are pathetic failures on every level
I mean, yeah, I agree that lying about it is pretty stupid.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
I mean, yeah, I agree that lying about it is pretty stupid.
Unfortunately, it's really not stupid to lie about. For one it is illegal in the US, not to mention the general public has little to no understanding about them and will snap to all kinds of judgments. Also sponsored guys would get dropped if they were honest.
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
No, I only lol @ fake natties because they are pathetic failures on every level
Pretty much this ^

They fake being natty then try to sell something in most cases, IRL too not only online.

I'm ok with people's choices either way but no need to hide it especially for personal gain (but how else would they "sell" go figure).
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Legit question, because this topic gets discussed a lot here.

Do lifters really care if other lifters are natty or not? Or is it just a topic of discussion?
look at the anger that comes up on the misc everytime it's brought up or hell even a big dude posts his opinion on lifting. And the thing is when guys claim they hate "fake natties" 95% of "fake natties" are open about what they do with people they're friends with or other people that use/ask for advice. They ignore the topic or claim natty to avoid the vitriol that non users have for them
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Thread is pretty funny. Repped

Edit: changed my mind
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Unfortunately, it's really not stupid to lie about. For one it is illegal in the US, not to mention the general public has little to no understanding about them and will snap to all kinds of judgments. Also sponsored guys would get dropped if they were honest.
Also, people tend to dismiss lifting advice/achievements.

Take bobby for instance. He's strong as hell and knows a lot about training, programming, diet, etc. Person a may ask him for advice about lifting, but upon finding out bobby ain't natty, they would disregard everything he says with "Well no wonder it works for you, you're not natty!".

All the years he spent grinding, planning, eating, and competing and now somehow rendered moot because people think it was as easy as not being natty.
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Fair points. I can see not being upfront with everyone in those instances.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Also, people tend to dismiss lifting advice/achievements.

...they would disregard everything he says with "Well no wonder it works for you, you're not natty!".
I know riding a bike isn't going to magically erase your knowledge of proper lifting form, but theres a reason people would do it no? Isn't a given outcome more or less achievable based on what you are doing?

Just saying, a few comments here make it seem like the effect of bicycle training is negligible but logic tells me otherwise. For the record I don't know or have experience with bike routines nor do I want to. Just thought this was interesting.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
I'd say that the vast majority of people in general can't easily distinguish non-natties from natties aside from extrems cases like top tier pro bodybuilders/powerlifters who obviously aren't getting to that level as pure natties. Most people also seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding of how celltech works, as if one can generally attain a high level of bodybuilding/powerlifting/etc. just by hopping on the stuff and being lazy bloatcels. The fact that so many people actually believe that a majority of pro athletes like NFL lineman and linebackers are lifetime natties just for not getting busted in testings really says it all. 99% of people have zero comprehension of the concept of the process bicyling, especially properly coming off of bike rides. I'm sure you're even more familiar with that than I am being as balls deep into powerlifting as you are, and talking to the average Joe about lifting when they bring it up.

But on that note, celltech can produce some insane results even when done half-asssed. One of the telltale signs of cellular technology to me is guys who blow up quickly in the gym, even though you never see them doing anything besides halfasssed bs in the gym. I knew one guy who is quite popular for lifting in my area, and no one seems to suspect him too much. I've never seen him bench more than two plates or lift heavy in general, he spends a ton of time on stuff like cable flies, and he noticeably shrinks and blows back up often. Also gets some wicked back acne visible due to the wife beaters he wears at the gym, total headcase prick too. Other signs to me are things like ridiculously jacked lats and lifting stength that simply goes beyond what 99% of people could ever attain as lifetime natties.

I don't care though, it's their bodies and their personal decisions to ride the celltech bikes. The only thing that genuinely pisses me off is the fake natty kents who blatantly lie about it unprovoked.
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
Thank you, armiesYou're sweet!! I think the forum forgets I'm 5'0".....Do you know any guys that are 5'0"? I don't.
Yw, I admire female natty bodybuilders a lot, they can build good muscle and I find it attractive, I just don't like it when they take dat dere creatine (you know what I mean) and they start to look like a man, yuck
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Originally Posted By superman704⏩
I don't think she's natty
This is what I'm talking about, this is too much for me, not natty at all
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People ain't going to get their sponsors/careers dropped for telling the truth if they're making thousands/millions of their physique. However.. If they do that and then they bash steriods saying how "bad" they're and constantly preach being "natural" over and over then it becomes an issue.
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Unfortunately, it's really not stupid to lie about. For one it is illegal in the US, not to mention the general public has little to no understanding about them and will snap to all kinds of judgments. Also sponsored guys would get dropped if they were honest.
It seems you live in a world where people don't judge no matter how stupid it is.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Also, people tend to dismiss lifting advice/achievements.

Take bobby for instance. He's strong as hell and knows a lot about training, programming, diet, etc. Person a may ask him for advice about lifting, but upon finding out bobby ain't natty, they would disregard everything he says with "Well no wonder it works for you, you're not natty!".

All the years he spent grinding, planning, eating, and competing and now somehow rendered moot because people think it was as easy as not being natty.
And this is why I'm natty for life, I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror with no shame, knowing that I never cheated, and I never compromised my health or my integrity
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
And this is why I'm natty for life, I want to be able to look at myself in the mirror with no shame, knowing that I never cheated, and I never compromised my health or my integrity
^^^ THIS!! I've been BB (relatively consistent) for 15 years. 15 years of dedicating my life to something I believe was (and still is) worth all the pain, struggle and time put in...Knowing that I've NEVER compromised my strict principles on this topic, allows me to have such confidence and take genuine pride in my achievements! To me, what's the point of squatting 300-400 lbs. if it's NOT natural (that's just one example)? What's the point? How do women take pride in something that wasn't really their ability to begin with? That's how I see it....

I have friends IRL that have had a different set of values concerning this (both men and women) ...And you know what? I still respected and loved them because they were honest about it, AND they respected ME for my different views, AND the results I've obtained over the years being natural!

People who don't do BB at all may not understand that "loopholes" in orgs may have discouraged some ppl with natural ability, to get up on stage...You cannot compare a natty to a non...And if that natty is not willing to compromise their "pious" principles (or health concerns), then what chance do they have to make it all the way?
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
^^^ THIS!! I've been BB (relatively consistent) for 15 years. 15 years of dedicating my life to something I believe was (and still is) worth all the pain, struggle and time put in...Knowing that I've NEVER compromised my strict principles on this topic, allows me to have such confidence and take genuine pride in my achievements! To me, what's the point of squatting 300-400 lbs. if it's NOT natural (that's just one example)? What's the point? How do women take pride in something that wasn't really their ability to begin with? That's how I see it....

I have friends IRL that have had a different set of values concerning this (both men and women) ...And you know what? I still respected and loved them because they were honest about it, AND they respected ME for my different views, AND the results I've obtained over the years being natural!

People who don't do BB at all may not understand that "loopholes" in orgs may have discouraged some ppl with natural ability, to get up on stage...You cannot compare a natty to a non...And if that natty is not willing to compromise their "pious" principles (or health concerns), then what chance do they have to make it all the way?
I feel the same way, 100%
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