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post 1579427131 05-04-2019, 12:57 PM
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Very much so...

The lines are blurred because people have so much incentive to lie.

I will say. My opinion of what is possible natty has changed this last 6 months. I have been stuck with the same body for the past 6 years. (See: avi. I could get leaner or bigger, but the lbm responded heavily in turn)

Then I finally had the cash flow to get on TRT. What was my natty limit for my natural levels is not even close to what it is at "High Normal". Given that "high normal" people exist naturally what I view as the max potential has shifted.

Though I will say almost everyone with a physique you look up to will be on TRT at a bare minimum.
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
A couple years....

miscers I swear
With proper training they are not that far off.

Normal natural curve looks like "25-30" lbs lean body mass" first year. Half that the next. Half that the next. Half that the next.....

After 4 years of proper training you only really have 3-4 lbs left on the table. Then your natural hormones decline with age and it is all she wrote.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
A couple years....




miscers I swear
a couple of years is 5-6 and you almost exhausted your strength gains unless you have been half assing everything for 5+ years.




this is pretty much spot on

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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
I mean since genetics play such a huge part the lines are very blurred between what is and isn't possible natty.

While one guy might top out at 6'0 170 10%, who's to say there aren't genetic freaks who can't reach 200lbs+ at a similar level of leanness.

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Steve Reeves is the natty limit. But not everyone has the genetic of Steve Reeves. So it'd vary each person.

Also the thing is don't be too uptight about the scale and measurement. The most important thing is how you look. A guy can weigh 160 lbs and look 180 lbs, if he has a good structure, small hips & joints but wide shoulders. On the other hand a guy can weigh 200 lbs and look 180 lbs because his joints are big and his hips are about as wide as his shoulders.

Source: I have been told by people I look heavier than I actually weigh.
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Idk I'm kinda intimidated by my deadlift now and scared to push it much further
After 6 years im still making good gains on bench tho and my jeans are still getting tighter.
I fukd around with recomp for the 1st 2 years tho and I reckon this held my gains back maybe
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Very much so...

The lines are blurred because people have so much incentive to lie.

I will say. My opinion of what is possible natty has changed this last 6 months. I have been stuck with the same body for the past 6 years. (See: avi. I could get leaner or bigger, but the lbm responded heavily in turn)

Then I finally had the cash flow to get on TRT. What was my natty limit for my natural levels is not even close to what it is at "High Normal". Given that "high normal" people exist naturally what I view as the max potential has shifted.

Though I will say almost everyone with a physique you look up to will be on TRT at a bare minimum.

Very interesting. Yeah when you factor in upper end natty test levels along with good genetics, and proper training then you realise that the natty limit is probably actually a lot higher than you would think.

With proper training they are not that far off.

Normal natural curve looks like "25-30" lbs lean body mass" first year. Half that the next. Half that the next. Half that the next.....

After 4 years of proper training you only really have 3-4 lbs left on the table. Then your natural hormones decline with age and it is all she wrote.
Originally Posted By messomi⏩
a couple of years is 5-6 and you almost exhausted your strength gains unless you have been half assing everything for 5+ years.




this is pretty much spot on

While this is technically true, the reality is that the average lifter often leaves a lot to be improved upon in terms of diet, training, and recovery, and so it does ring true that a surprising proportion of people are still capable of making small improvements 6+ years down the line.

I do agree though that after 4-6 years of proper training gains will be virtually non existent.

When I made the thread though I wasn't implying that there are no human limits (ie. there is virtually no chance of anyone achieving 6'2 240 7%) but was just poking fun at the fact that the lines are often a lot more blurred than we think.
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Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
I dont have an explanation. But I love lifting and I love to progress (in every aspect of life), so lifting the same weight each session does get boring and pointless. Also, although Im well aware I got an above average physique, its really not how I want to look. Maybe its body dismorphia, I dont know
IMHO, if you TRULY had "clinical" body dysmorphic disorder, you would never believe you "have an above average physique." People who have this type of obsessive/compulsive disorder whole-heartedly believe they have some kind of "disfigurement," even when they appear completely normal (or above average) to others, in reality. It has to do with biochemistry and "wiring"....

I think you're probably not feeling fulfilled, at the moment, with what you're doing in the gym, both physically and mentally...You should check out the programs in the stickies, at the top sub-forums...They may give you some fresh insight and direction...Just a friendly suggestion!
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
While this is technically true, the reality is that the average lifter often leaves a lot to be improved upon in terms of diet, training, and recovery, and so it does ring true that a surprising proportion of people are still capable of making small improvements 6+ years down the line.

I do agree though that after 4-6 years of proper training gains will be virtually non existent.

When I made the thread though I wasn't implying that there are no human limits (ie. there is virtually no chance of anyone achieving 6'2 240 7%) but was just poking fun at the fact that the lines are often a lot more blurred than we think.
diet is just eating it's not a magical component like people make it out to be unless you are not getting enough calories or something if you make it to 7+ years of lifting yourself you'll know the truth and most people in this thread haven't yet.

it's your body adapting to stress and you get there by continuously lifting heavier weights over time.
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A cellular technologist once said 5'10" 165 is a stage ready natty limit, adding or subtracting 7 lbs for each inch in height.

To reiterate, thats stage ready, and natty.
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Originally Posted By PatheticPeter⏩
A cellular technologist once said 5'10" 165 is a stage ready natty limit, adding or subtracting 7 lbs for each inch in height.

To reiterate, thats stage ready, and natty.
Could be right. I was 5’8” and 167ish on stage as a natty.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
A couple years....




miscers I swear
Lol, natties top out after two years. I'm 34 and still making progress after 10+years.
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There is a limit.

Take your natural body weight, add 20-30 pds of muscle. Anything more than that and your body's natural proportion goes out of wack.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
There is a limit.

Take your natural body weight, add 20-30 pds of muscle. Anything more than that and your body's natural proportion goes out of wack.
Yep. A lot of big muscular 200+ lb dudes look fatter because of this too. They might be 10% bf but they look closer to 20%. Hulk Hogan and John Cena are good examples of that. I think everyone can agree Cena looked much better when he was like 24 compared to a few years ago.
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can't say for sure, but if you believe there is a limit, there always will be, power of belief boyo
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Same whether i was 175 lbs or 219 lbs my bench never went past 255-260. I benched this for the first time in 2011 and haven't made any gains since. I also can't go past 185 without gaining mostly fat. My body basically doesn't want to bulk past 185-190 lbs.
That is because you have chit routines and ignore everyone's advice in every thread you have ever been in...

Continue on we all know that is what you are going to do anyway.
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Originally Posted By Legz422⏩
Why doe? Why not learn to be satisfied with yourself natural? Tweak the things you aren't happy with, but be ok if you don't get huge.
i get Huge and veiny just looking at your Avi
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
IMHO, if you TRULY had "clinical" body dysmorphic disorder, you would never believe you "have an above average physique." People who have this type of obsessive/compulsive disorder whole-heartedly believe they have some kind of "disfigurement," even when they appear completely normal (or above average) to others, in reality. It has to do with biochemistry and "wiring"....

I think you're probably not feeling fulfilled, at the moment, with what you're doing in the gym, both physically and mentally...You should check out the programs in the stickies, at the top sub-forums...They may give you some fresh insight and direction...Just a friendly suggestion!
You may be right..Also thanks for the suggestion, might check them out even though Ive already ran most programs out there. I think Ill probably just maintain, while still trying my best to progress. My next serious bulking cycle will be when Ill start taking creatine
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Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
Absolutely. Trained regularly from 16-20, and I remember my max BP was exactly 255lbs. Stopped lifting for ~8 months, lost basically all my gains, then got back into it. My current max on BP is still 255 and I cant seem to go further, been stuck there for 2 months. Now Im not sure if its a mental thing or what, but I believe I cannot go beyond that number. I also cant get past 185lbs bodyweight without putting some fat.

I guess I could bloatmaxx for a while but its not worth it imo, did it once and my face went to chit srs. Id rather join the dark side and keep making progress (which I will soon)
Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Same whether i was 175 lbs or 219 lbs my bench never went past 255-260. I benched this for the first time in 2011 and haven't made any gains since. I also can't go past 185 without gaining mostly fat. My body basically doesn't want to bulk past 185-190 lbs.
Lmao don't blame natty limits on your stalling bench numbers. EOD is the dude who makes a lifting journal then goes to the gym once a week to do 3 sets or curls and pull ups and calls it a day. Imagine if either of you trained bench 3x a week and ate properly
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Originally Posted By johndoethethird⏩
I would guess using this tool would be the closest (outside margin of error because some of the data used was probably non natty lifters)

http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html


But that's IF you trained since just before puberty and kept at it with perfect diet etc etc

something like 0.00000000001% chance you ever do :P
That's definitely more realistic than the lazy bull**** others are claiming to be the limit.
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Some posters mentioned individual hormonal and genetic-makeup, which no one can discount. And to me, age really is only a number, if you take care of yourself, are lucky and have a positive and undefeated attitude towards fitness goals and general well-being...

I only refer to limitations, in the sense that, as a natural 115 lb. woman, I know I will never be able to bench 300 lbs..lol...in any lifetime...That's what I mean by "everyone has their physical thresholds" they can't realistically cross...
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If there is, no one will ever attain it. so stop worrying about limitations.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
yes it does and it looks like dis

Yeah he is actually natty from what I've heard..
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Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
I dont have an explanation. But I love lifting and I love to progress (in every aspect of life), so lifting the same weight each session does get boring and pointless. Also, although Im well aware I got an above average physique, its really not how I want to look. Maybe its body dismorphia, I dont know
I'd bet it's body dysmorphia. I've seen guys here say negative things about their physiques, then see a pic and I'm all like U Wot M8? You look great! lol
Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
IMHO, if you TRULY had "clinical" body dysmorphic disorder, you would never believe you "have an above average physique." People who have this type of obsessive/compulsive disorder whole-heartedly believe they have some kind of "disfigurement," even when they appear completely normal (or above average) to others, in reality. It has to do with biochemistry and "wiring"....

I think you're probably not feeling fulfilled, at the moment, with what you're doing in the gym, both physically and mentally...You should check out the programs in the stickies, at the top sub-forums...They may give you some fresh insight and direction...Just a friendly suggestion!
I disagree that body dysmorphia is thinking you have a disfigurement. Typically it presents as thinking you look heavier than you are, or prob for a lot of guys, smaller than they are.
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I got to 202lbs at 7.7% bf and I was drinking alcohol every weekend and eating ****ty cafeteria food in college.

I used to laugh at the guys making natty claims of 220, but after actually getting kinda strong I feel like the natty limits these calculators estimate is pretty low
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My biggest gains were by far in the first two years give or take. I've been as heavy as 198 lbs and as low as 160 lbs super lean. Given my own personal experience, I'd say there's no way in hell I could be 180 lbs and shredded without something drastically happening. My body just wasn't built to be big and muscular.

I know a few guys IRL around my height who are definitely natty and are more muscular. But those guys also have much bigger joints/bigger bones so it makes sense why they are more muscular. Bigger bones require more muscle by default. At least that's my broscience theory
Just look at people with huge forearms who have never lifted or done manual labor in their life. It's genetics man.
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I heard this guy was natty he was only 22 years old as well. #gonetoosoon

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Originally Posted By MesoPeaks⏩
Yeah he is actually natty from what I've heard..
yeah hetrainedpretty hard
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