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Thread: HBO's Game of Thrones - Open Discussion - Final Season VIII

post 1579679701 05-08-2019, 09:58 AM
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They should have just let Bryan Cogman run the show. That guy actually really gives a chit.
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20 plus pages about the last episode and no one is talking about Brian's line: "I mostly live in the past now"?

Anyone else think that this seemingly throw-away line will/should come back into play with his time travel abilities and hopefully return the True King: the Night King?
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Originally Posted By matpal⏩
20 plus pages about the last episode and no one is talking about Brian's line: "I mostly live in the past now"?

Anyone else think that this seemingly throw-away line will/should come back into play with his time travel abilities and hopefully return the True King: the Night King?
I’m still on the train that Bran is responsible for everything and that line could mean a lot. He could be responsible for the NK, for Aerys going mad, etc.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
They should have just let Bryan Cogman run the show. That guy actually really gives a chit.
Reading some other stuff online, it looks like Bryan Cogman also wanted to end the show at a certain point. They had an idea of the total hours they wanted the show to span, and they're right in that range


They could have continued to milk the new story for another decade if they wanted. Maybe it was a mistake to not stretch out these last two seasons, but who knows what other reasoning there may have been. Maybe the actors wanted to move on, maybe this, maybe that, who knows


Truth be told, waiting for GRRM to finish the damn books is probably the only way they could have put together something that would truly satisfy the die-hards. I doubt stretching out the material concocted by D&D and the other writers would ever have sufficed, and maybe it would have damaged the show even more than we've seen from these last few compressed seasons
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Originally Posted By knightofday⏩
Would have been 100000% better than this chit. My god they destroyed this show. Its beyond redemption in just a few short episodes, fukk bruhs
Agreed.

The shock value is what I enjoyed. Not this fairy tale bull****. The Night King now looks like a joke. I mean compare the battle of Winterfell to Hardhome? They got totally ****ed up at Hardhome and that’s when we realized that Westeros is ****ed. Then it turned into a fairy tale.

Dude should have just merked everyone
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Originally Posted By matpal⏩
20 plus pages about the last episode and no one is talking about Brian's line: "I mostly live in the past now"?

Anyone else think that this seemingly throw-away line will/should come back into play with his time travel abilities and hopefully return the True King: the Night King?
Nah, people need to understand they are wrapping it up, no point in crafting more surprises or opening new venues at this stage. It all culminates around Kings Landing and the Iron Throne.

1. Hound/Arya: want to kill the Mountain, Arya also wants Cersei (and the Hound for dessert to finish her list)
2. Tyrion/Varys: want to either steer Dany in the right direction (mostly Tyrion, and failing) or killing her before she goes Mad Queen on Drogon
3. Jon/Dany: want to defeat Cersei - probably with very different ideas on how at this point
4. Cersei/Euron: want to defeat Dany

In all honesty: even if Cersei and Euron would win, they couldn't conquer the seven kingdoms, no fukin way. Their ranks have been thinned, Euron is useless on land, Cersei doesn't have that large of a Lannister army (who were mostly annihilated by Dany on their way back from ending the Tyrells).

Let's say:
- 4,000 Unsullied
- 4,000 Northeners
- 5-10,000 Dothraki (out of originally 100k+)
- Drogon

vs

- 3-4,000 Lannister
- 20,000 Golden Company
- Iron Fleet (only a threat on the sea or along the shore, really)

Edit:

lol, I just realized Jon treated Ghost the same way as Captain America treated Buckey ...
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Originally Posted By matpal⏩
20 plus pages about the last episode and no one is talking about Brian's line: "I mostly live in the past now"?

Anyone else think that this seemingly throw-away line will/should come back into play with his time travel abilities and hopefully return the True King: the Night King?
Won't happen.

We better forget every idea that includes overarching plot and lore elements and implies hidden meaning behind actions etc.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
I’m still on the train that Bran is responsible for everything and that line could mean a lot. He could be responsible for the NK, for Aerys going mad, etc.
I’ve said for weeks now that the only way this can be rescued is through Bran. He has to have some crazy upending twist up his sleeve about being the TER. If the show now is dealing with cersei and the iron throne then just fukin lol

Not holding my breath on it though, D&D are dumbasses

I’ll make a bet with anyone that over the long run Season 8 is the worst ranked out of all of them. Maybe 7, but those last two will be regarded as trainwreck seasons
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Originally Posted By Garnett⏩
Were they going to ve given larger budgets to meet all of these needs?I thought I read somewhere that either Jon or Dany wanted to move to other projects.
Not sure why either of them would be in a rush to get away from GoT. Both are mediocre actors at best.... and both did movies that failed terribly (Pompeii and Terminator). This show will probably be the highlight of their careers.
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Not sure why either of them would be in a rush to get away from GoT. Both are mediocre actors at best.... and both did movies that failed terribly (Pompeii and Terminator). This show will probably be the highlight of their careers.
I mean she did get a big role in "Solo"

I'd assume in Hollywood you gotta strike while the iron is hot on the big screen, and are able to demand some serious $$.. Same with D&D, probably saw a bunch of opportunities come up with serious $$ (Star Wars) that they wanted to jump on.
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I still believe there will be a major shock in the last two episodes. Something as big as the Red Wedding
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Originally Posted By EBarbz⏩
I still believe there will be a major shock in the last two episodes. Something as big as the Red Wedding
Nah I don't think anything will be as shocking as that.

They for sure will try and throw some twists tho. Whether they land or not..... I'm not sure.
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If im HBO president and i get word that D&D think they truly run this chit and want to end the show early, im firing them and giving the show to someone else.

GRRM has said the show should have been around 11-12 seasons. Not 6 + a pair of gimped seasons. Let D&D do their precious “70 hours” and then let them fuk off. It wouldnt have been hard to replace them. Now they are ruining it so bad that they risk losing viewership for the spinoffs. They are totally Rian Johnson’ing this
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Not sure why either of them would be in a rush to get away from GoT. Both are mediocre actors at best.... and both did movies that failed terribly (Pompeii and Terminator). This show will probably be the highlight of their careers.
On spread. Yeah they're acting skill is nowhere close to the Dinklage, Allen, Headey, Caster-Waldau, Dance level. Even Turner has grown more through the series. Human nature wants the ego boost.

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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
Nah, people need to understand they are wrapping it up, no point in crafting more surprises or opening new venues at this stage. It all culminates around Kings Landing and the Iron Throne.

1. Hound/Arya: want to kill the Mountain, Arya also wants Cersei (and the Hound for dessert to finish her list)
2. Tyrion/Varys: want to either steer Dany in the right direction (mostly Tyrion, and failing) or killing her before she goes Mad Queen on Drogon
3. Jon/Dany: want to defeat Cersei - probably with very different ideas on how at this point
4. Cersei/Euron: want to defeat Dany

In all honesty: even if Cersei and Euron would win, they couldn't conquer the seven kingdoms, no fukin way. Their ranks have been thinned, Euron is useless on land, Cersei doesn't have that large of a Lannister army (who were mostly annihilated by Dany on their way back from ending the Tyrells).

Let's say:
- 4,000 Unsullied
- 4,000 Northeners
- 5-10,000 Dothraki (out of originally 100k+)
- Drogon

vs

- 3-4,000 Lannister
- 20,000 Golden Company
- Iron Fleet (only a threat on the sea or along the shore, really)
Don't forget the big ol ballistas
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Originally Posted By Garnett⏩
I understand what you're saying but that's the reality we have and were always going to have. Actors have been wanting to move onto other projects and some had to get extensions just to do this season.

I can't blame them for this. To Destor's point prior, the time and effort to make this go forward is beyond what we as the audience understand. HBO's Rome and Deadwood suffered the same budget issues and were canceled early bc of it.
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D&D are the only reason Game of Thrones is on TV in the first place...
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah⏩
If im HBO president and i get word that D&D think they truly run this chit and want to end the show early, im firing them and giving the show to someone else.

GRRM has said the show should have been around 11-12 seasons. Not 6 + a pair of gimped seasons. Let D&D do their precious “70 hours” and then let them fuk off. It wouldnt have been hard to replace them. Now they are ruining it so bad that they risk losing viewership for the spinoffs. They are totally Rian Johnson’ing this
Good luck finding actors who want to dedicate their careers for one role. Even with 8 season their careers are spoiled. Kit Harington will always be Jon Snow no matter role he plays in the future. Same for the actors who play Dany, Sansa, Arya, etc. That's the flip side of being the stars of the most popular show for the last decade.
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
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No, I never defended D&D, I defended the show and understood that with budget and time constraints, most of the chit was inevitable. However, the fact that this crap is self-inflicted ... yeah, I already thought they both are mediocre, but that was really retarded.

Shows the ego's, if they wanted out, why not hand it over to another show runner, lets say after wrapping up The Battle of the Bastards.
Do this. D&D weren't adding to the story anyway. They could have just grabbed a couple fan theory nerds off reddit for the story and then ran with the directors they have been using.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Don't forget the big ol ballistas
The big ol ballistas and scorpions are in there solely to balance the numbers I showed, because otherwise Cersei would have no fukin chance

They should have done a much better job in explaining that Danys dragons are still like teenagers at best, and thus so vulnerable/weak.
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Originally Posted By econbrah11⏩
Good luck finding actors who want to dedicate their careers for one role. Even with 8 season their careers are spoiled. Kit Harington will always be Jon Snow no matter role he plays in the future. Same for the actors who play Dany, Sansa, Arya, etc. That's the flip side of being the stars of the most popular show for the last decade.
IDK Sansa also has her role in X-Men which is popular
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Let’s be honest, in episode 5, the Scorpions are probably going to magically become useless so Drogon can fuk chit up.
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Originally Posted By EBarbz⏩
IDK Sansa also has her role in X-Men which is popular
Which is ending after this last movie comes out.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Let’s be honest, in episode 5, the Scorpions are probably going to magically become useless so Drogon can fuk chit up.
Or she'll finally employ some basic tactics in her dragon-usage which we've been yelling about this whole time, like dive bombing from directly above or using the cover of darkness etc etc
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Let’s be honest, in episode 5, the Scorpions are probably going to magically become useless so Drogon can fuk chit up.
We won’t even see a scorpion now for the rest of the season.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Let’s be honest, in episode 5, the Scorpions are probably going to magically become useless so Drogon can fuk chit up.
There are tunnels in and out of King's Landing. The smartest way to influence the outcome would be Hound/Arya sneak in, Hound gets his Clegane Bowl, Arya sabotages at least some ballistas with the face of a Lannister guard - maybe Jaime sneaks in and chokes the chit out of Cersei.

Lets be real, all characters will die upclose and personal - only except may be Euron who would find a good end if he becomes a crispy bacon thanks to Drogon for killin Rhegar.
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Originally Posted By econbrah11⏩
Good luck finding actors who want to dedicate their careers for one role. Even with 8 season their careers are spoiled. Kit Harington will always be Jon Snow no matter role he plays in the future. Same for the actors who play Dany, Sansa, Arya, etc. That's the flip side of being the stars of the most popular show for the last decade.
Think the cast of Friends is sad that that was the high point of their careers? I doubt it. What about Seinfeld? Think they’re pretty happy too. When you’re on a hit show you’re usually making BANK and have some solid job security. Stupid to just throw that away. Besides... look at Harrison Ford.... played 2 iconic characters in Han Solo and Indiana Jones and still did other roles without any trouble. Ditto for Sean Connery post James Bond. Ditto for everyone who was in LOTR.
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Think the cast of Friends is sad that that was the high point of their careers? I doubt it. What about Seinfeld? Think they’re pretty happy too. When you’re on a hit show you’re usually making BANK and have some solid job security. Stupid to just throw that away. Besides... look at Harrison Ford.... played 2 iconic characters in Han Solo and Indiana Jones and still did other roles without any trouble. Ditto for Sean Connery post James Bond. Ditto for everyone who was in LOTR.
But what about Elijah Wood (Frodo) or Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter)? Anyway, my point was that it's hard to find actors who commit for 10+ years on a single TV show.
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