It depends on the definition. Some people consider Klinefelter's to be intersex. In the medical community, the term used is generally DSD for including Klinefelter's etc, and intersex for just ambiguous genitals.

Regarding your second point, fist yourself until your ass falls out and then eat your own chit.

Just admit, Winnie...you made up Vinnyboy just so you could be your true self on here. Pretty coincidental that some tranny randomly joins bb.com today and immediately starts posting in your thread, LOL.

Maybe some transgender or intersex person actually read my thread and appreciated what I said? You know some people actually agree with me, but are scared to take a stand against all the nutjobs around here. I, on the other hand, am willing to simultaneously argue with hundreds of people if necessary to make my case. And I feel I made my case.

It may surprise you to know that about half the people repped me on my post and the other half negged, suggesting there are some who agree with my views on the issue.

First of all its my part time job online (no homo lol) to psychoanalyze gay ppl and all types of mind states that have to do with manipulations and explanations of why the way they are.

I literally make money off knowing how gay people think. Before you can sell them on stuff you have to figure out what their main "thesis" is so I have already figured this stuff out long ago.

When you deal with a lot of them like that you find out what they all have in common.

So its pretty obvious to me which category this one is in and what his motivations are based on my knowledge of their conditions and how much is genetic, and how much is mental development.

Perversion and the capacity for it exists in all people, gay or straight. This can be developed with pattern stimulus. its a slippery slope of stimulus essentially.

Even straight people can have similar slopes.

And even straight people crave attention and to play those roles.

Sometimes straight guys with wives pay me money for no reason. Why? because they want to play a role.

The reason for their stimulus is usually a need to fill some hole in their existence. A pain everyone has but its how they deal with their existentialism that makes them mentally ill.

Its like the brain is stuck in a emo loop

what they need is confidence and education in general. therapy and education.

Most of these people are usually somehow lower IQ and insecure so its a combination of existential pain and lack of intelligence.

This is an explanation for the ones that aren't genetically super gay on the biological spectrum.

Some of it is biological some of it is mental. this guy seems more mental.

I bet OP jerks off to the krassenstein brothers.

Did not read.

But if you look like this -



or this -



You're getting it.

If you look like this -



You can keep walkin

That doesn't matter. You don't know how the brain works dude. You aren't a neurobiologist and the leading neurobiology folks in the world still don't understand the molecular nature of gender identity yet. So, I don't think you do. If you do, go publish your research. It would change the lives of millions of people. As I said before, most people who identify as trans are, understandably, suffering from mental illnesses. It isn't clear that those illnesses are the cause of their condition. In fact, it is more likely developmental brain abnormalities during the 2nd trimester are responsible for these conditions.omg u cuck I am not interested in watching 2 *******s bang your mom. Stop pimping her out.

I'm not trans myself so I can't relate to that community's experience, but your argument basically boils down to "if they pass the threshold of what I consider sexually appealing, they have the right to identify as a woman".

Let me make it clear for you -- if you are born with a penis, then you're a man. If you are born with a vagina, then you're a woman. how can people be soo phucking stupid in today's day of age? My goodness liberalism really phucked the minds of people today.

Yep. I get to decide that. So they better start workin on lookin good if they want dem cheeks clapped

I don't think this is entirely a matter of science.

I don't think this is entirely a matter of philosophy.

I think its about normalizing a physiological rarity, and making it appear 'acceptable', thus justifiable if you choose to believe it.

What is an exception is not a generality. The assertion of what is normal/acceptable invokes by nature, what is really real. If what is really real is ultimately preferential, then what does that statement say about itself?

You can believe whatever you want, but it doesn't mean it's true.

Science is limited, my capacity for patterns and behavior studies and understanding of humanity are not.

and im not the type to fall into logical fallacies

its like a hybrid of right brain super critical thinking that is grounded in science.

It's not normal. And nobody is saying it is normal. I'm saying we can get to a point where we understand it. We need to acknowledge this happens, and we need to stop vilifying the people it happens to because they didn't choose to be that way. It's actually a matter of philosophy. Science is pretty clear that you think with your brain, and your brain is a physical object.

Your understanding is literally limited, and for you to say it isn't is total hubris.

i can support homos but trannies is taking it too far

this is a new low even for you wincel bro

What do you mean support? Because I acknowledge their right to exist? Because I don't think they should be thrown in camps and gassed? Really? I'm not saying to give money to trans people or help them or anything. I am just saying to be mindful of their situation. Why is this a controversial thing? Chit, I recommend being mindful of everyone's situation -- even your enemies in war. I see no reason why you shouldn't be. And that is the first way you find common ground.

so youre not trans you just want attention

its an upgrade to your life, you can either be lame ol boring vinny

or... you can TRANSFORM into Trans-Vinny and get all this attention and sympathy and "relevance"

its like how a woman gets pleasure from having a high status, or being associated with a high status guy she is dating.

its like a fun halo that improves their life

There are many levels of this, but when some are desperate enough, the go bottom barel desperation and try something like this. its an increasing phenomenon too which is evidence its a bottom of the barrel social stimulus that people pursue.

To really young people its a valid avenue.

Even something as simple as young teen boys wanting to identify as "she"

Thats enough to get a huge boost of attention in an increasingly competitive "attention market" in the sjw era

I think he said he was intersex.

If you can’t explain something complicated in simple terms then you really don’t know what you are talking about.

Aka

Where are the cliffs *******?

Vilifying is a moral dilemma, and morality based on a subjective view is arguing nothing, other than popularity - as to what is perceived to be a more expedient mode for society. An objective statement as to why we shouldn't vilify anyone is actually the root of the issue. I believe that people have intrinsic worth, because I believe in Jesus Christ.

As to what you mean as to it happening, I believe we may disagree as to its nature as to the cause. You may espouse the idea perhaps that there is something biological that occurs as to why a male may exhibit non male behaviors or features (genetically). Though this may occur (hermaphrodites) this is probably so extremely rare that its beside the point as to the overall implication you are leading to (I'd suspect). Yes pity and care should be made for such specific people. But as to disregard self-imposed factors, or environmental factors that may also influence the rest of the phenomenon, that would be a bad idea. Legitimizing bad choices is never good for a person. A person making a series of bad choices, that compound their mental well being, shouldn't be entertained as a genuine dilemma - of what is really real - but rather for what it is: a type of insanity, that is also progressive. So, their condition/belief should rightly be condemned, while accepting/ministering to the person, with love, wisdom and understanding.

As far as the mind goes, that may be a separate realm than the brain. The brain may operate as a medium for our mind, but the idea of our consciousness (mind) may well operate in a state that is beyond the physical processess (walking into quantum mechanics). I can, if you wish, link a video explaining this. Also, Emergent Universe idea may be something related here.

indoctrination not even once

kids shouldn't consider this normal

also don't put words in my mouth bro

oooooooooohhhh

I bet wincel is the ANTIFA cuck with the flag on the left at 0:48

Wincel getting mad AF in here.

One question, what percentage of trans people have a physiological cause compared with "I just want not change my gender"?

I'm going to have a guess its a very small percentage. Also you looking into the mental illness physiological causes too much. at what point do you draw a line? Everything can be traced back to a physiological reason be it hornones or having extra genitals.

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Imagine if there was a person who had a legit sexual deformity (like hermaphrodite). I'd wonder if they'd want their condition even politicized, or.... remain low-key.

I have some major disagreements with the OP on this topic, which I will outline shortly, but you honestly have no place in this discussion for the following reasons:

1). You look like a pencil-necked, limp wristed ******* with low-T, so even if you have a dick it's up for debate whether you should be called a man

2). You're red

3). You were exposed as a fraud in a previous thread, calling everything you say now into question (credibility issue)

4). You're likely an alt-account

5). You're probably (look like) an incel

1) So I need to be shirtless and half-naked like the other dudes here to be "high-T" to your standards? It almost sounds as if you're a closet case, but that's none of my business.

2) Happened overnight due to sheep-mentality and lack of critical thinking of this community.

3) Nope. The ******* ended up avoiding me and not responding to me the moment I debugged all of his claims. The OP lied about being in IT (he doesn't work in IT since I never met him before), he claims to have been paid to "expose of me" (he didn't), didn't even understand the software tool he used, and has a terrible reputation himself. Yet, instead of questioning the OP and his credentials, they all like a bunch of sheep negged me. Yeah, this is really the community I want to associate myself with...

4) Nope.

5) An incel is (by its original definition not the one the cuckold *******s used to move the goalposts) someone who never had sex. You're talking to someone who had sex many times in his life. So yeah, by definition, I am the furthest thing from an incel. In fact, I consider myself a chad.

At least we can both agree that the OP is a liberal soy boy ******* who needs to be put into his place.

1). I'm saying you're not in a position to be making superficial claims about masculinity and femininity with an avi like that.

2). It happened because you are a fraud

3). Forget about the OP, I read that thread. You couldn't answer a single question put to you and kept dodging every challenge to verify your claims. You couldn't answer simple questions about HK, even though you claim to live there

4). Either an alt-account, or you're frauding about being a 'chad.'

5). Nah, you can be a virgin and still not an incel--the latter is associated with toxic beliefs about women and the world

That's a common argument used by people to dismiss them of their rates and marginalize them. It's rare, but not so rare as to not be worth mentioning. These conditions are all well documented. The mind is empirically not separate from the brain. You can damage your brain, and your mind will be damaged as well. Quantum mechanics does not actually justify will as it is fundamentally random in nature. You do not control the spin of any electron, for example. Emergent spacetime has nothing to do with consciousness either. Your entire hypothesis that the mind is separate from the brain is trivially disproven by folks who have suffered brain damage, Alzheimer's, etc. I'm not going to tell you your religion is wrong. I'm going to tell you you shouldn't try to infer scientific facts from your religion or use your religion to oppress other people. Your very assumption that being trans is fundamentally a choice is the key issue here. What I believe I showed in my post is at least in some cases, it isn't a choice. (I actually take the position that there is no choice ever anyway, but that's a separate debate.)