So now we're using hypotheticals as arguments?

you need to recalibrate my dude. I agree with you that it's the officer's responsibility to keep the peace, but having someone record them and not follow their orders to do such would be considered escalation on the aggressor's part, not the cops. He is responding in kind.

Do you expect a cop to lower his weapon when someone refuses to lower theirs in an effort to "keep the peace"?

Nah, if white people make up the majority of the US population, but commit a minority of the crime and we assume a situation that results in a police shooting is because of a crime - then white folk are way, way over represented in police shooting stats.

The explanation as to why white people are shot 2x as often even though they commit less crime would be innocent white people being shot which would in fact be actual police brutality.

or, far more likely, black folk get away with a lot more than white folk do when it comes to police shootings, and thus get shot less despite committing more crime.

Yet you completely failed to address my point. When white nationalists proudly argue the 14% 50% figures, they suspiciously ignore the key fact I just mentioned. To stereotype black people as likely to be criminal is completely unwarranted by the very same figures you quote. The white nationalists are just too fuking stupid to understand the statistics necessary to even draw conclusions from the data they present. It would be pathetic if it weren't so dangerous. These are the same idiots who support a president who cannot multiply 17 and 6. I hope you read what I said and it got through to you. Maybe you will change your mind and stop defending profiling since I just showed you how it is extremely unfair.

Or maybe, just maybe, your own deep rooted hatred makes those 19 people not matter. You'd rather just kill them all wouldn't you?

The black dude's non compliance might have been due to the fact that black people get harassed by police often. I know a few black people, and they have been harassed by police. It happens more often than you think, again due to the failure of white nationalists to understand Bayes' Theorem. I swear to god if we taught kids two things, it should be Bayes' Theorem and the exponential function. If people understood these two concepts well, SOOOO many issues from economic and financial issues to population growth to pollution to racism and profiling would all be resolved.

What makes more sense:

" I hate so and so race/ethnicity because most of the ones I encounter are a-holes."

or

"I hate so and so race/ethnicity because of the color of their skin." ?

Naw, you know what? Even the word "hate" isn't always accurate. A good deal of miscers tend to dislike Muslims for various reasons. But do they dislike them just because of their religious beliefs or is it something more? Of course there are people out there who hate someone just because of their skin color, but that seems like such a vague view to have and I can't help but think there's got to be a different reason for the hatred between races other than just skin color and general appearance. I don't believe that most "racists" are so one dimensional. I think they had bad experiences with people of a different race so they have a difficult time not lumping them all into the same group. That is something that would make a lot more sense than just "skin color". But pretty much every movie where there's a white skinhead type, he always sees black people as lower beings because of their skin color and that seems like a dishonest approach to racism, imo.

Is it okay for me to hate white people if most of the ones I have encountered have been racist?

You're being ridiculous. Most people don't know enough people of a given minority to draw conclusions either way. I'm sure you all know a lot of black people who aren't criminals. In fact, how many criminal blacks do any of you even personally know? it's ridiculous. You simply do not have enough of a sample with your own biased experiences with people to conclude much of anything.

A lot of people hate x race, religion, etc without even knowing anyone. Know thy enemy. You may be surprised to find it difficult to keep the enemy after you get to know them better. The shocker is that most people are quite similar, and aside from the 1-4% bad apples in every race, religion, etc, you generally have people who all have similar goals and can get along provided there is limited scarcity.

You're point is that racial stereotyping is wrong because 98.6% of black folks are not criminals?

lol now I want to kill black people? wtf.

There was this thing in London call "stop and search" where the police would stop youths and search them for weapons. This proved very successful. However, people didn't like it as a "disproportional" amount black youths were being stopped and searched(despite them committing a disproportional amount of the stabbings ) and the whole thing was scrapped.

Well, thanks to the PC useful idiots knife crime has gone through the roof again

My point is that 98.6% of black folks are not violent criminals, so stereotyping them as if they were is wrong. And this was assuming being convicted of a crime is the same as commiting the crime, which it definitely isn't. You can see the argument directly. If you think 19 innocents should suffer to get 1 guilty person, it would still not meet the threshold. That's fuked man.

Not you in particular. (Altho tbh some of your posts do make it sound that way.)

Right because again, stop and search causes tons of innocent people to suffer to get a few baddies. It's the balance of freedom and security again. American legal philosophy is founded on the idea that it is better for guilty men to go free than have innocent men suffer. Think about it. That means the threshold ought to be 50%. We aren't even close to that, so why profile?

Profiling is just a tool for the police state to further consolidate its power.

And the only PC useful idiots are the ones who vote away their freedom. Communists, Nationalists, etc. It's all the same. They want more power given to law enforcement and military to crush any opposition and stifle freedom.

Similar chit has happened to me as a white male, in a nice car, in a decent neighborhood, it all depends on the cop and doesn't always have to do with racism.

I do agree cops get away with too much, and get to use that crap that they might not be sure they're going home each night as a reason to pull a gun ASAP. Local area had a memorial for all the LEO's killed in the line of duty in the history of the county in the last 100+ years, the number was under 10 and I think 1 was killed in a car crash. WTF probably 50% or more careers that involve physical activity have had more than 10 people killed in the last 100 yrs in the county, being a cop might statistically be safer than a lot of careers.

Yea. It isn't necessarily about race. I just want to see checks on police power. As you said, could happen to anyone. White people are the most frequent victims of police brutality and abuse srs.

My point is that black folk commit far more crime and thus get far more attention from the police.
This sums up my view on the matter. THe MSM is spinning you a web of lies. It's subversion directed at black folk to cause division in the US.

Again, do you see the logical issue with what you said about them getting more attention from police. I showed you with the numbers why it doesn't make sense. P of black given that convicted of violent crime is not P of violent crime given that you are black. The stereotyping is based on a confused policy that harms more than it helps across the board.

I showed you the numbers. It follows directly.

Can you explain the 2x white shootings despite the significantly less crime committed? Why would police shoot you if a crime hasn't been committed?

Seems odd to me.

I'd be more surprised if you didn't. And racist towards you or people around you?

My best friend is white so I can apply the "I have a black friend defense" too. Some were racist to me. Others were generally racist. Noticed it is very acceptable socially to be racist to asians and indians. Also quite a few of them openly mock jews. It's overwhelmingly common in my experience for them to be racist to muslims. Blacks are socially taboo to be racist to, but many white people I know loved using the n word and making racist jokes. Joking itself doesn't necessarily make them racist,but they also had prejudiced attitudes toward black people.

video or not people will still suckle the teet of the authority figure and not ever dare to question what is infront of them

this will keep happening until the day all of us pass away

can't properly assess this video without knowing what happened prior to the cop getting out of his car

was that the driver's AR that the cop handed to the other one?

Again not less crime committed. Less crime for which they are convicted. Make sure you interpret the data correctly. Well l can take a look.

Can you link the data you are talking about?

Lol at OPs posts in here. God, no wonder you're a loser ass virgin.

lol umad brah?

The MAJOR flaw in your argument here is that you used the entire population of black people for it. It isn't the entire population of black people being "profiled" by police. The women are not committing violent crime. The old folks are not committing violent crime. The toddlers are not committing violent crime. The young black males age 17-30 are committing violent crime. That is probably 3% of the population, or 13.33%, more than double your threshold of 5%. Also, you clearly have never been to the hood, talk all the numbers you want, if youve never been in the hood around black people then you have no idea just now normalized crime is in those areas. By the way, the statistics are worse, because they don't involve unsolved murders, which range as high as 70%, they dont include obviously the massive about of crime people in those areas get away with because police are afraid of policing those areas. I went to jail when I was 17, I was the only white kid in the jail, it was some minor drug charges, I spent 18 days among other 17 year olds, 95% black kids, I talked to multiple black 17 year old murderers, many many armed robbers, many car jackers ect. That **** does NOT happen around where I am from, it happens in black communities.

EDIT: Btw, I am not a white nationalist or anything like that. Infact the time I spent among violent black criminals was very eye opening to me, suprisingly, they all treated me with respect and there were some truly good people with some pretty horrible charges that clearly had good inside of them and were trying to change for the better. I realized that these people were just like me, we would be friends if they came from my neighborhood, but they were born into a terrible culture. A culture that exists due to the welfare state./thread

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Fair enough, but it still wouldn't justify the profiling. It's hard to find statistics on just black males age 17-34. I can tell you that black women get profiled as well. Black women are often supected for shopliting for example. However, we are dealing with violent crime here so fair enough. I would think it shouldn't be that different tbh. Male female ratios aren't that different. We'd probably need to compare the specific demographics, but it would take a little digging to find this data if they even collected it.

What I'd need specifically is the percent of convicted violent criminals who were black men aged 17-34, the percent of the population that is black men age 17-34, and the percentage of the population that are violent criminals (we have a reasonable estimate of this already).

Would rep for sensible point, but on spread. Will take a look, but I don't think it will change it much enough to justify profiling. Keep in mind that for it to be justified from an American lrgal perspective, we would want over 50% threshold. It ought to be more likely than not that the dude you are profiling is a criminal. Otherwise, innocents are suffering more than the guilty are being caught.

Oh also, I saw that these stats were based on arrests and not convictions. So, ofc we are ignoring all false arrests, etc. But I'll take them to be convictions for the sake of argument.

Wait, so you're not white? So whose hand is in your avi? Also, jakes on you, brah, I don't even have friends. Semi srs. This makes more sense why you're so upset over the video and assumed that the cop was likely racial profiling. Not sure what you mean by "racist to muslims" as that is not a race. Yes, I'm being a bit obtuse. I know exactly what you're talking about, though. I guess I thought that you were white so I was thinking to myself "Is this guy an SJW or was he a friend of the guy in the car??".

Depends on how u define race tbh. Muslim can be a race. That's my hand in the avi.

So if we assume it's around 3% of the population that is black men age 17-34, which seems reasonable to me, and we assume virtually all the violent crime done by blacks is done by men from this group, which seems a close estimate evem if slightly wrong, then we still end up with .5*.004/0.03,which leaves us at 6-7%. That still means if you profile black men, you are legit fuking over 93-94% of the innocent men to get the remaining 6-7%. Maybe this can be viewed as reasonable deoending on circumstance. OFC, one ought to update the calculations as new info comes in. A black guy walking down the street in daylight is certainly less likely to be a criminal than a black dude with a hood and a mask on running around at 2 AM in a neifhborhood. But the essence of profiling is to blindly apply the practice to all who fit the profile, which may be based on simple information like gender, age, and race. This can be problematic, as we just saw.

Is Wincel really a tranny?

It’s common sense to turn your engine off . It’s the first thing we’re told , so it’s pretty much standard .
I feel sorry for this guy though ,as I honestly believe he could very well have been shot as soon as he complied and reached for the ignition. Although maybe these body cameras may make them cops less trigger happy ,as they may suffer consequences.

Because leftists love to frame this as a black man's issue instead of a police brutality issue for some reason.

Wow is that balxk privilege or what. Commit more crimes but get convicted of less. Just let them back on the streets.