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06-01-2019, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
That's like saying you can't be a Christian in support of gays. You can. It is always open to interpretation. My brother is pro LGBT and a fuking hardcore democrat. He loves Bernie even tho I told him his economic policies are bullchit.But honestly OP
You either you follow the teachings of Islam as outlined in the Koran, or you don't. You can't be a muslim without believing homosexuality is a mortal sin; you can, however, be forced to live with it because you are living in a civilized part of the world, in which it would instantly be outlawed if muslims were in a position to do so.
There is no such thing as a "moderate". You're desecrating Islam if you don't support and practice its universal teachings, unless it's under the guise of taqiya of course.
You either you follow the teachings of Islam as outlined in the Koran, or you don't. You can't be a muslim without believing homosexuality is a mortal sin; you can, however, be forced to live with it because you are living in a civilized part of the world, in which it would instantly be outlawed if muslims were in a position to do so.
There is no such thing as a "moderate". You're desecrating Islam if you don't support and practice its universal teachings, unless it's under the guise of taqiya of course.
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
This is a good point. "Good muslims" aren't actually even muslims by a strict sense, as they're not following the word of the book.But honestly OP
You either you follow the teachings of Islam as outlined in the Koran, or you don't. You can't be a muslim without believing homosexuality is a mortal sin; you can, however, be forced to live with it because you are living in a civilized part of the world, in which it would instantly be outlawed if muslims were in a position to do so.
There is no such thing as a "moderate". You're desecrating Islam if you don't support and practice its universal teachings, unless it's under the guise of taqiya of course.
You either you follow the teachings of Islam as outlined in the Koran, or you don't. You can't be a muslim without believing homosexuality is a mortal sin; you can, however, be forced to live with it because you are living in a civilized part of the world, in which it would instantly be outlawed if muslims were in a position to do so.
There is no such thing as a "moderate". You're desecrating Islam if you don't support and practice its universal teachings, unless it's under the guise of taqiya of course.
I mean, is someone who calls themself a serial killer, a serial killer if they've never once killed anyone?
The "good muslims" follow what we in civilized societies agree are good values to hold, and don't follow the "bad" things stated in the quran. At some point they're not who they say they are. They don't actually follow what they claim they are following, if you know what I mean.
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06-01-2019, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
You're definitely right. Otherwise, religion would have disappeared long ago. It remains for a reason. It serves to enhance social stability and give people a kind of moral rubric. I do view it as exactly that.Strong delusion can be better than knowledge of reality in terms of thriving.
Like there's nothing that says that someone who knows the truth will be the one who thrives, and that the misinformed will do bad... not at all
As that quote goes, not the strongest, or most intelligent. etc. etc... but the one most adaptable to change. You could view the delusion of a religion as an adaption that allows for a being to thrive in life.
Like there's nothing that says that someone who knows the truth will be the one who thrives, and that the misinformed will do bad... not at all
As that quote goes, not the strongest, or most intelligent. etc. etc... but the one most adaptable to change. You could view the delusion of a religion as an adaption that allows for a being to thrive in life.
06-01-2019, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Most Christians aren't good Christians either then. Most people aren't good at following rules carefully, taking definitions seriously, and looking at what they entail.This is a good point. "Good muslims" aren't actually even muslims by a strict sense, as they're not following the word of the book.
I mean, is someone who calls themself a serial killer, a serial killer if they've never once killed anyone?
The "good muslims" follow what we in civilized societies agree are good values to hold, and don't follow the "bad" things stated in the quran. At some point they're not who they say they are. They don't actually follow what they claim they are following, if you know what I mean.
I mean, is someone who calls themself a serial killer, a serial killer if they've never once killed anyone?
The "good muslims" follow what we in civilized societies agree are good values to hold, and don't follow the "bad" things stated in the quran. At some point they're not who they say they are. They don't actually follow what they claim they are following, if you know what I mean.
That kind of thinking is known as mathematics. Most people don't think mathematically and are okay carrying contradictions. Some (all) faiths are openly contradictory.
06-01-2019, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Yeah, that's true.Most Christians aren't good Christians either then.
Like if there was a list of rules in a book I'll call "The Misc Book"
And followers of "The Misc Book" were called "Misc followers"
And in that book were 2 commandments:
"Thy shall not sloot around"
"Thy shall not lift weights"
Now a "Misc follower" sloost around every single day, and lift weights every single day...
They tell you they are a "Misc Follower"... but are they?
You can label yourself however you want, it doesn't mean you are that thing... if you get what I'm saying?
"I'm president of the united states"
Oh yeah?
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06-01-2019, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Well to most muslims Islam identifies with a collection of practices, stories, and a loose set of rules. For some, born in the middle east, it is just absolutely tied to their culture. It's the practices, the act of going to mosque, being part of community, observing the fasts, not eating pork or drinking alcohol, etc. Islam has many different sects and philosophies, just like Christianity does. There are pro LGBTI muslims, for example -- something that contradicts the commands of the Quran. The same holds for Christianity. The bible explicitly forbids homosexuality.Yeah, that's true.
Like if there was a list of rules in a book I'll call "The Misc Book"
And followers of "The Misc Book" were called "Misc followers"
And in that book were 2 commandments:
"Thy shall not sloot around"
"Thy shall not lift weights"
Now a "Misc follower" sloost around every single day, and lift weights every single day...
They tell you they are a "Misc Follower"... but are they?
You can label yourself however you want, it doesn't mean you are that thing... if you get what I'm saying?
"I'm president of the united states"
Oh yeah?
Like if there was a list of rules in a book I'll call "The Misc Book"
And followers of "The Misc Book" were called "Misc followers"
And in that book were 2 commandments:
"Thy shall not sloot around"
"Thy shall not lift weights"
Now a "Misc follower" sloost around every single day, and lift weights every single day...
They tell you they are a "Misc Follower"... but are they?
You can label yourself however you want, it doesn't mean you are that thing... if you get what I'm saying?
"I'm president of the united states"
Oh yeah?
There are parts of the world where you will be decapitated if you draw a stick figure mohammed. But not every muslim is like that, contrary to what Ben Shapiro misquotes from Pew polls. (He dishonestly fails to apply Bayes' Theorem and misinterprets the data.) He has his own agenda, clearly.
06-02-2019, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
But bro are you really comparing a "loose" interpretation of the bible with that of the Koran?Well to most muslims Islam identifies with a collection of practices, stories, and a loose set of rules. For some, born in the middle east, it is just absolutely tied to their culture. It's the practices, the act of going to mosque, being part of community, observing the fasts, not eating pork or drinking alcohol, etc. Islam has many different sects and philosophies, just like Christianity does. There are pro LGBTI muslims, for example -- something that contradicts the commands of the Quran. The same holds for Christianity. The bible explicitly forbids homosexuality.
There are parts of the world where you will be decapitated if you draw a stick figure mohammed. But not every muslim is like that, contrary to what Ben Shapiro misquotes from Pew polls. (He dishonestly fails to apply Bayes' Theorem and misinterprets the data.) He has his own agenda, clearly.
There are parts of the world where you will be decapitated if you draw a stick figure mohammed. But not every muslim is like that, contrary to what Ben Shapiro misquotes from Pew polls. (He dishonestly fails to apply Bayes' Theorem and misinterprets the data.) He has his own agenda, clearly.
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06-02-2019, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
...yes...But bro are you really comparing a "loose" interpretation of the bible with that of the Koran?
Why is it any different? Srsly, set aside all the propaganda you've been exposed to. Do you really believe every muslim out there supports suicide bombing? If you look at the Pew polls, you will see the vast majority do not support these things. I encourage you to look at polls of the US regarding attacking civilians. You'll be amazed to find there is higher support of attacking civilians by christian americans than many of these muslim countries. This should come as no surprise, of course, since the US military has killed far more civilians in their wars than any terrorist groups have.
You guys make all these assumptions about what things mean. You seek to generalize billions of people so you can demonize them. The truth is most of them aren't all that different from you. Even the pew questions about sharia law are loaded since sharia means different things to different people.
How many muslims have you personally met? Have you talked to any lately? Most people who hate muslims know zero muslims and only know about them from the news or from encounters in war. Go try to invade your neighbor's house and see how he responds to you. You need to understand there is a lot of violence and killing on both sides, and propaganda is spread to radicalize people. We see the worst of ISIS on tv. ISIS tells their people stories about the US soldiers who gangrape and murder women. It's easy to cherrypick bad apples on every side and use them to launch a propaganda campaign.
Are there a bunch of nutcases out there who want to kill all nonmuslims? yes. Do they speak for all muslims? no.
The worst thing is the slow dehumanization of the "enemy". This is how you get otherwise good people to do horrible chit and go kill people they don't even know and have zero beef with over some bullchit.
06-02-2019, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Ben Shapiro contradicts himself simply from being a Jew, and at the same time claiming to be a man that believes only what the evidence supports. He'll say things to mock trans people like "I can say I'm an attack helicopter, doesn't mean I am". Just as he can say he's a man that believes only what evidence supports, while being a Jew who believes in a god... where no evidence proves such an existence. Both he, and the people he makes fun of claim to be things they are not. He however, smugly claims himself to be the rational oneWell to most muslims Islam identifies with a collection of practices, stories, and a loose set of rules. For some, born in the middle east, it is just absolutely tied to their culture. It's the practices, the act of going to mosque, being part of community, observing the fasts, not eating pork or drinking alcohol, etc. Islam has many different sects and philosophies, just like Christianity does. There are pro LGBTI muslims, for example -- something that contradicts the commands of the Quran. The same holds for Christianity. The bible explicitly forbids homosexuality.
There are parts of the world where you will be decapitated if you draw a stick figure mohammed. But not every muslim is like that, contrary to what Ben Shapiro misquotes from Pew polls. (He dishonestly fails to apply Bayes' Theorem and misinterprets the data.) He has his own agenda, clearly.
There are parts of the world where you will be decapitated if you draw a stick figure mohammed. But not every muslim is like that, contrary to what Ben Shapiro misquotes from Pew polls. (He dishonestly fails to apply Bayes' Theorem and misinterprets the data.) He has his own agenda, clearly.
Honestly man, nearly everyone contradicts themselves in some way. But that makes sense, I mean the world is vast, and to have perfect non contradicting opinions about everything is unlikely. Though in his case, the contradiction is right there in his face, he's entirely aware of it. Yet he chooses to overlook it. People claim to be seekers of truth, but when it really comes down to it, when it really hits something they hold dear, they will suspend their pursuit of truth for that thing, or they will come up with some elaborate story as to why the thing they hold dear is actually in fact a truth.
I do feel that Shapiro hates on Muslims that much extra, because he's a Jew. But wait... he'd never hate on them because he's a Jew, though, but only because of his rational not biased thoughts, right? Yeah... the guy only follows rational thought, and only rational thought forms his opinions on things... yep... yep...
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06-02-2019, 01:14 AM
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misc is one of the most homophobic, sexist and racist boards on the internet but take the moral high ground on their expert opinions of how practicing muslims think and operate
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Originally Posted By ****tastic⏩
how convenient for you that you decided that you donβt need any validation for your assumptionsMost Muslims will silently approve of all the recent Islamic terrorist attacks.
Of course, those in America won't publicly say it, for fear of consequences.
Face it, the Quran promotes killing of "infidels" who are not Muslims.
And if you refuse to accept those passages, then you're just a fake ass wannabe muslim.
Of course, those in America won't publicly say it, for fear of consequences.
Face it, the Quran promotes killing of "infidels" who are not Muslims.
And if you refuse to accept those passages, then you're just a fake ass wannabe muslim.
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06-02-2019, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Under scrutiny, you'll find that rational thought has little relevance to politics. Many ideas about morality and law are rooted entirely in feelings. Some of these feelings came from evolutionarily driven imperatives, but the result is still something far from rational unless you accept specific goals.Ben Shapiro contradicts himself simply from being a Jew, and at the same time claiming to be a man that believes only what the evidence supports. He'll say things to mock trans people like "I can say I'm an attack helicopter, doesn't mean I am". Just as he can say he's a man that believes only what evidence supports, while being a Jew who believes in a god... where no evidence proves such an existence. Both he, and the people he makes fun of claim to be things they are not. He however, smugly claims himself to be the rational one
Honestly man, nearly everyone contradicts themselves in some way. But that makes sense, I mean the world is vast, and to have perfect non contradicting opinions about everything is unlikely. Though in his case, the contradiction is right there in his face, he's entirely aware of it. Yet he chooses to overlook it. People claim to be seekers of truth, but when it really comes down to it, when it really hits something they hold dear, they will suspend their pursuit of truth for that thing, or they will come up with some elaborate story as to why the thing they hold dear is actually in fact a truth.
I do feel that Shapiro hates on Muslims that much extra, because he's a Jew. But wait... he'd never hate on them because he's a Jew, though, but only because of his rational not biased thoughts, right? Yeah... the guy only follows rational thought, and only rational thought forms his opinions on things... yep... yep...
Honestly man, nearly everyone contradicts themselves in some way. But that makes sense, I mean the world is vast, and to have perfect non contradicting opinions about everything is unlikely. Though in his case, the contradiction is right there in his face, he's entirely aware of it. Yet he chooses to overlook it. People claim to be seekers of truth, but when it really comes down to it, when it really hits something they hold dear, they will suspend their pursuit of truth for that thing, or they will come up with some elaborate story as to why the thing they hold dear is actually in fact a truth.
I do feel that Shapiro hates on Muslims that much extra, because he's a Jew. But wait... he'd never hate on them because he's a Jew, though, but only because of his rational not biased thoughts, right? Yeah... the guy only follows rational thought, and only rational thought forms his opinions on things... yep... yep...
06-02-2019, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Because the core beliefs of muslim majority country's are heavily influenced by Islam, as opposed to developed Christian (secular) countries that aren't....yes...
Why is it any different? Srsly, set aside all the propaganda you've been exposed to. Do you really believe every muslim out there supports suicide bombing? If you look at the Pew polls, you will see the vast majority do not support these things. I encourage you to look at polls of the US regarding attacking civilians. You'll be amazed to find there is higher support of attacking civilians by christian americans than many of these muslim countries. This should come as no surprise, of course, since the US military has killed far more civilians in their wars than any terrorist groups have.
You guys make all these assumptions about what things mean. You seek to generalize billions of people so you can demonize them. The truth is most of them aren't all that different from you. Even the pew questions about sharia law are loaded since sharia means different things to different people.
How many muslims have you personally met? Have you talked to any lately? Most people who hate muslims know zero muslims and only know about them from the news or from encounters in war. Go try to invade your neighbor's house and see how he responds to you. You need to understand there is a lot of violence and killing on both sides, and propaganda is spread to radicalize people. We see the worst of ISIS on tv. ISIS tells their people stories about the US soldiers who gangrape and murder women. It's easy to cherrypick bad apples on every side and use them to launch a propaganda campaign.
Are there a bunch of nutcases out there who want to kill all nonmuslims? yes. Do they speak for all muslims? no.
The worst thing is the slow dehumanization of the "enemy". This is how you get otherwise good people to do horrible chit and go kill people they don't even know and have zero beef with over some bullchit.
Why is it any different? Srsly, set aside all the propaganda you've been exposed to. Do you really believe every muslim out there supports suicide bombing? If you look at the Pew polls, you will see the vast majority do not support these things. I encourage you to look at polls of the US regarding attacking civilians. You'll be amazed to find there is higher support of attacking civilians by christian americans than many of these muslim countries. This should come as no surprise, of course, since the US military has killed far more civilians in their wars than any terrorist groups have.
You guys make all these assumptions about what things mean. You seek to generalize billions of people so you can demonize them. The truth is most of them aren't all that different from you. Even the pew questions about sharia law are loaded since sharia means different things to different people.
How many muslims have you personally met? Have you talked to any lately? Most people who hate muslims know zero muslims and only know about them from the news or from encounters in war. Go try to invade your neighbor's house and see how he responds to you. You need to understand there is a lot of violence and killing on both sides, and propaganda is spread to radicalize people. We see the worst of ISIS on tv. ISIS tells their people stories about the US soldiers who gangrape and murder women. It's easy to cherrypick bad apples on every side and use them to launch a propaganda campaign.
Are there a bunch of nutcases out there who want to kill all nonmuslims? yes. Do they speak for all muslims? no.
The worst thing is the slow dehumanization of the "enemy". This is how you get otherwise good people to do horrible chit and go kill people they don't even know and have zero beef with over some bullchit.
When this is so, why should first generation muslims be any different? Because they have moved to another country? That changes their religious beliefs?
How many muslims have you personally met?
Why don't you qualify that with how manyyouhave personally met?Unless you live in some muslim majority country, a musim enclave, or are muslim yourself, then probably much more than you (seeing as we're going off assumptions).
In Denmark we have a lot of first generation muslims (asylum seekers), fresh outta Syria (majority), Iraq and ****lia - because of cancer EU programs forced upon member states, that we finally got rid of after a right-wing party gained a majority in 2015. Muslims establish "parallel societies" (communities) where the Danish rule of law is irrelevant to them. They oppress their women and deny them education and work, and the crime rate among the muslim population is far higher per capita than for ethnic danes.
What you will find is simple. Group a sole muslim with non-muslims, and you have no conflict. Now make a muslim majority group and whichever previous ideals you had are thrown out the window. It happens every time, no exception.
I also know a few christian syrians and Iraqs. They think Islam is just as cancer as many of us do, and have experienced living under muslim rule themselves.
Islam is a binding ideology, more than is a fairy tale like the bible is. You can hate an ideology as much as your heart desires, and I hate Islam. Not muslims. Islam.
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06-02-2019, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
Bosnia is a muslim majority country. Are they bad? They tend to get genocided and have not oppressed anybody historically. You're wondering why a bunch of refugees (due to a civil war instigated by the CIA) from a country full of oppression have backward beliefs? Do you think maybe it might have more to do with education levels than their religion? You're trying to paint muslims as the enemy. Maybe their issues have to do with other things.Because the core beliefs of muslim majority country's are heavily influenced by Islam, as opposed to developed Christian (secular) countries that aren't.
When this is so, why should first generation muslims be any different? Because they have moved to another country? That changes their religious beliefs?
Why don't you qualify that with how manyyouhave personally met?
Unless you live in some muslim majority country, a musim enclave, or are muslim yourself, then probably much more than you (seeing as we're going off assumptions).
In Denmark we have a lot of first generation muslims (asylum seekers), fresh outta Syria (majority), Iraq and ****lia - because of cancer EU programs forced upon member states, that we finally got rid of after a right-wing party gained a majority in 2015. Muslims establish "parallel societies" (communities) where the Danish rule of law is irrelevant to them. They oppress their women and deny them education and work, and the crime rate among the muslim population is far higher per capita than for ethnic danes.
What you will find is simple. Group a sole muslim with non-muslims, and you have no conflict. Now make a muslim majority group and whichever previous ideals you had are thrown out the window. It happens every time, no exception.
I also know a few christian syrians and Iraqs. They think Islam is just as cancer as many of us do, and have experienced living under muslim rule themselves.
Islam is a binding ideology, more than is a fairy tale like the bible is. You can hate an ideology as much as your heart desires, and I hate Islam. Not muslims. Islam.
When this is so, why should first generation muslims be any different? Because they have moved to another country? That changes their religious beliefs?
Why don't you qualify that with how manyyouhave personally met?
Unless you live in some muslim majority country, a musim enclave, or are muslim yourself, then probably much more than you (seeing as we're going off assumptions).
In Denmark we have a lot of first generation muslims (asylum seekers), fresh outta Syria (majority), Iraq and ****lia - because of cancer EU programs forced upon member states, that we finally got rid of after a right-wing party gained a majority in 2015. Muslims establish "parallel societies" (communities) where the Danish rule of law is irrelevant to them. They oppress their women and deny them education and work, and the crime rate among the muslim population is far higher per capita than for ethnic danes.
What you will find is simple. Group a sole muslim with non-muslims, and you have no conflict. Now make a muslim majority group and whichever previous ideals you had are thrown out the window. It happens every time, no exception.
I also know a few christian syrians and Iraqs. They think Islam is just as cancer as many of us do, and have experienced living under muslim rule themselves.
Islam is a binding ideology, more than is a fairy tale like the bible is. You can hate an ideology as much as your heart desires, and I hate Islam. Not muslims. Islam.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Take it down a notch. Usually people who react with violence (as youβre projecting) know theyβre wrong.Bosnia is a muslim majority country. Are they bad? They tend to get genocided and have not oppressed anybody historically. You're wondering why a bunch of refugees (due to a civil war instigated by the CIA) from a country full of oppression have backward beliefs? Do you think maybe it might have more to do with education levels than their religion? You're trying to paint muslims as the enemy. Maybe their issues have to do with other things.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
Iβm curious if your brother has ever been to the Middle East/deployed there. And Iβm not talking about Qatar or Kuwait. Iβm talking about Iraq or Afghanistan and requires him to interact with locals outside of the base.
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06-02-2019, 03:36 AM
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Haven't read a post ITT other than the OP.
But why wouldn't he have a problem with a religion that wants to throw him off a roof?
But why wouldn't he have a problem with a religion that wants to throw him off a roof?
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06-02-2019, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted By billclintonnn⏩
He has not, but I have a Mormon friend who was deployed there and had zero issues with the Afghan locals.Take it down a notch. Usually people who react with violence (as youβre projecting) know theyβre wrong.
Iβm curious if your brother has ever been to the Middle East/deployed there. And Iβm not talking about Qatar or Kuwait. Iβm talking about Iraq or Afghanistan and requires him to interact with locals outside of the base.
Iβm curious if your brother has ever been to the Middle East/deployed there. And Iβm not talking about Qatar or Kuwait. Iβm talking about Iraq or Afghanistan and requires him to interact with locals outside of the base.
If you are upset about my projected violence, I invite you to look at the historic ethnic cleansing campaigns of the past. I won't sit idly by and watch it happen. If you want people like me to be quiet, don't threaten purges. And a purge is the logical consequence of the things you guys propose. You know that. How do you "ban islam" from a country? How are you going to stop citizens from practicing their religion without tyranny and violence? I am not the one who is wrong here.
I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan are not great places to live. And yet again, these countries had awful education systems. Maybe the issue is education and not Islam. It is not a coincidence that uneducated societies tend to have higher fundamentalism rates, be it Christian or Muslim.
A few years ago, a guy near where I live harassed muslim girls on a train and then stabbed 3 people, murdering 2 of them when they told him to stop. He was a stereotypical white nationalist. People like him are becoming more brazen each day. Their voices are growing. I hear them on these forums, on reddit, 4chan, etc. You see them on the President's twitter. You hear cries of "Deus Vult!"
These people want a muslim genocide. I'm frankly sick of seeing this chit. I don't want another ethnic cleansing especially if it jeapordizes my brother's life. I'm not being melodramatic. This chit is how it starts. The NZ shooter had a lot of support from people.
I know where I stand on this, and you won't talk me out of this. If I had been a jew in the 1930's, I would not have sat idly and watched the racist sharks surround me. And I won't do that today either. You won't talk or cuck me into complacency. Nor will you trick the rest of us who believe in American freedoms, such as the right to bear arms (a right I employ judiciously), and freedom of religion.
Ofc you may be in a different country, but this wave of hate is a global phenomenon.
06-02-2019, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
He has not, but I have a Mormon friend who was deployed there and had zero issues with the Afghan locals.
If you are upset about my projected violence, I invite you to look at the historic ethnic cleansing campaigns of the past. I won't sit idly by and watch it happen. If you want people like me to be quiet, don't threaten purges. And a purge is the logical consequence of the things you guys propose. You know that. How do you "ban islam" from a country? How are you going to stop citizens from practicing their religion without tyranny and violence? I am not the one who is wrong here.
I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan are not great places to live. And yet again, these countries had awful education systems. Maybe the issue is education and not Islam. It is not a coincidence that uneducated societies tend to have higher fundamentalism rates, be it Christian or Muslim.
A few years ago, a guy near where I live harassed muslim girls on a train and then stabbed 3 people, murdering 2 of them when they told him to stop. He was a stereotypical white nationalist. People like him are becoming more brazen each day. Their voices are growing. I hear them on these forums, on reddit, 4chan, etc. You see them on the President's twitter. You hear cries of "Deus Vult!"
These people want a muslim genocide. I'm frankly sick of seeing this chit. I don't want another ethnic cleansing especially if it jeapordizes my brother's life. I'm not being melodramatic. This chit is how it starts. The NZ shooter had a lot of support from people.
I know where I stand on this, and you won't talk me out of this. If I had been a jew in the 1930's, I would not have sat idly and watched the racist sharks surround me. And I won't do that today either. You won't talk or cuck me into complacency. Nor will you trick the rest of us who believe in American freedoms, such as the right to bear arms (a right I employ judiciously), and freedom of religion.
Ofc you may be in a different country, but this wave of hate is a global phenomenon.
If you are upset about my projected violence, I invite you to look at the historic ethnic cleansing campaigns of the past. I won't sit idly by and watch it happen. If you want people like me to be quiet, don't threaten purges. And a purge is the logical consequence of the things you guys propose. You know that. How do you "ban islam" from a country? How are you going to stop citizens from practicing their religion without tyranny and violence? I am not the one who is wrong here.
I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan are not great places to live. And yet again, these countries had awful education systems. Maybe the issue is education and not Islam. It is not a coincidence that uneducated societies tend to have higher fundamentalism rates, be it Christian or Muslim.
A few years ago, a guy near where I live harassed muslim girls on a train and then stabbed 3 people, murdering 2 of them when they told him to stop. He was a stereotypical white nationalist. People like him are becoming more brazen each day. Their voices are growing. I hear them on these forums, on reddit, 4chan, etc. You see them on the President's twitter. You hear cries of "Deus Vult!"
These people want a muslim genocide. I'm frankly sick of seeing this chit. I don't want another ethnic cleansing especially if it jeapordizes my brother's life. I'm not being melodramatic. This chit is how it starts. The NZ shooter had a lot of support from people.
I know where I stand on this, and you won't talk me out of this. If I had been a jew in the 1930's, I would not have sat idly and watched the racist sharks surround me. And I won't do that today either. You won't talk or cuck me into complacency. Nor will you trick the rest of us who believe in American freedoms, such as the right to bear arms (a right I employ judiciously), and freedom of religion.
Ofc you may be in a different country, but this wave of hate is a global phenomenon.
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06-02-2019, 03:55 AM
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#139
Originally Posted By Jimmehhh⏩
Why? Why is it pure cope? Because it doesn't fit your narrative? You love ignoring all confounding factors and looking at only what suits your narrative. I've seen your posts on here. You despise black people. You hate muslims. What else? Hate jews too? Wow. Original. I know exactly your type dude. I had a whole explanation for you about stereotyping and you ignored it. You asked me something else in the other thread, and then never came back with sources. I know what you are. All I can say to people like you is I hope you change. And if you don't, you stay the fuk away from me and everyone I care about. That's all. Fuk you.And you aren't taking my citizenship or my property. I will defend it. That's all I can say to you. IDC what idiot you vote into power. IDC what laws are passed. IDC if you make it legal. I WILL defend my family and property with whatever means I can and fight until those laws are changed or I die. I have nothing else to live for, and if I have to die fighting a bunch of god damn white supremacist pieces of chit, then so be it.
I hope that day doesn't come, but I'm not thrilled about the way things are going in our society.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
So what is your experience with Islam? What are you basing this off of?Bosnia is a muslim majority country. Are they bad? They tend to get genocided and have not oppressed anybody historically. You're wondering why a bunch of refugees (due to a civil war instigated by the CIA) from a country full of oppression have backward beliefs? Do you think maybe it might have more to do with education levels than their religion? You're trying to paint muslims as the enemy. Maybe their issues have to do with other things.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. blah blah All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same.
Oh stfu kid. You're the only person talking about killing people.Your problem isn't Islam.
Background? The politician (far right from a new party) was throwing a Koran around (7min in). First video is the aftermath of him and his demonstrations. Basically he talks **** about Islam and the Koran.
Now throw a bible around and tell me how many riots that start.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Kind of ironic though, because every answer you write is lefty talking points 101.Why? Why is it pure cope? Because it doesn't fit your narrative? You love ignoring all confounding factors and looking at only what suits your narrative. I've seen your posts on here. You despise black people. You hate muslims. What else? Hate jews too? Wow. Original. I know exactly your type dude. I had a whole explanation for you about stereotyping and you ignored it. You asked me something else in the other thread, and then never came back with sources. I know what you are. All I can say to people like you is I hope you change. And if you don't, you stay the fuk away from me and everyone I care about. That's all. Fuk you.
And you aren't taking my citizenship or my property. I will defend it. That's all I can say to you. IDC what idiot you vote into power. IDC what laws are passed. IDC if you make it legal. I WILL defend my family and property with whatever means I can and fight until those laws are changed or I die. I have nothing else to live for, and if I have to die fighting a bunch of god damn white supremacist pieces of chit, then so be it.
I hope that day doesn't come, but I'm not thrilled about the way things are going in our society.
And you aren't taking my citizenship or my property. I will defend it. That's all I can say to you. IDC what idiot you vote into power. IDC what laws are passed. IDC if you make it legal. I WILL defend my family and property with whatever means I can and fight until those laws are changed or I die. I have nothing else to live for, and if I have to die fighting a bunch of god damn white supremacist pieces of chit, then so be it.
I hope that day doesn't come, but I'm not thrilled about the way things are going in our society.
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06-02-2019, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
My connection to Islam is that my brother is muslim, and I had a friend who is muslim as well. Both are of different sects, but generally good people.blah blah
It wasn't too long ago that mobs of people would kill nonchristians, people of color, etc. Anyway, you're again generalizing over a billion people. You've shown me two cases of backwards behavior due to a lack of education. What do you want? A purge? I'm serious. Tell me what you want done.
Your country screwed up its immigration and made a stupid decision and now you want to start a new crusade? Is that it? Tell me what it is you want.
And I'm not a kid. You're fuking 25.
06-02-2019, 04:14 AM
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Kind of ironic though, because every answer you write is lefty talking points 101.
brb not all are the same
brb moderates
brb stereotyping
u didn't read the fuking thread...he kept bringing up the 14% 50% statistic without any understanding of Bayes' Theorem. Maybe some of those talking points are brought up because they are valid? Simply calling it "lefty" doesn't invalidate it.brb not all are the same
brb moderates
brb stereotyping
I'm a fuking libertarian, you chauvinistic prick.
06-02-2019, 04:18 AM
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#143
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
****up you moron, don't act like some kind of warrior on the internet, you're a scrawny incel.Bosnia is a muslim majority country. Are they bad? They tend to get genocided and have not oppressed anybody historically. You're wondering why a bunch of refugees (due to a civil war instigated by the CIA) from a country full of oppression have backward beliefs? Do you think maybe it might have more to do with education levels than their religion? You're trying to paint muslims as the enemy. Maybe their issues have to do with other things.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
You can hate Islam all you want. Just stay the fuk away from my brother, and if ur kind kills him, then I will make it my life's work to retaliate. It's that simple really. And guess what? All the muslims you want killed probably have family just the same. Tons of people are friends and family to muslims, and if there ever is a purge, you'll have to kill us all too. So, if that's the route you want to go down, be my guest, but you're the one being the savage.
Otherwise, you can learn to coexist. Your problem isn't Islam. It's mass immigration without any kind of vetting. IDK what your country is thinking, but that is never a good idea unless you are ready for some growing pains. You're generalizing all 1+ billion muslims based on the actions of some bad Syrian refugees in your neighborhood. Cool dude.
For the record, I dislike all religion, but I am not gonna seek to oppress or remove the religious.
you have 0 actual interaction with islam as an ideology which imposes law upon a country.
'hurr my brother is muslim, hes a good person.' yeah nice 1 mate, go live in a majority muslim country and see how great their world is.
****ing moron.
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06-02-2019, 04:19 AM
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#144
Originally Posted By Muztek⏩
Counterexample: Bosnia****up you moron, don't act like some kind of warrior on the internet, you're a scrawny incel.
you have 0 actual interaction with islam as an ideology which imposes law upon a country.
'hurr my brother is muslim, hes a good person.' yeah nice 1 mate, go live in a majority muslim country and see how great their world is.
****ing moron.
you have 0 actual interaction with islam as an ideology which imposes law upon a country.
'hurr my brother is muslim, hes a good person.' yeah nice 1 mate, go live in a majority muslim country and see how great their world is.
****ing moron.
Explain that if your hypothesis holds. And again, what is your solution? Kill all muslims? Of course. Try it *******. Try it over my fuking dead body do it u fuking piece of chit. All u *******s want a purge. You don't have the balls to say it. You won't come out and say it. You want to fuking kill them all don't you?
i don't have to be bigger or stronger than you to defend myself from you. That's the great thing about mankind. We use tools.
06-02-2019, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I live 1000's of miles away, I was probably asleep, I can't misc all the time.Why? Why is it pure cope? Because it doesn't fit your narrative? You love ignoring all confounding factors and looking at only what suits your narrative. I've seen your posts on here. You despise black people. You hate muslims. What else? Hate jews too? Wow. Original. I know exactly your type dude. I had a whole explanation for you about stereotypingand you ignored it. You asked me something else in the other thread,and then never came back with sources.I know what you are. All I can say to people like you is I hope you change. And if you don't, you stay the fuk away from me and everyone I care about. That's all. Fuk you.
And you aren't taking my citizenship or my property. I will defend it. That's all I can say to you. IDC what idiot you vote into power. IDC what laws are passed. IDC if you make it legal. I WILL defend my family and property with whatever means I can and fight until those laws are changed or I die. I have nothing else to live for, and if I have to die fighting a bunch of god damn white supremacist pieces of chit, then so be it.
I hope that day doesn't come, but I'm not thrilled about the way things are going in our society.
And you aren't taking my citizenship or my property. I will defend it. That's all I can say to you. IDC what idiot you vote into power. IDC what laws are passed. IDC if you make it legal. I WILL defend my family and property with whatever means I can and fight until those laws are changed or I die. I have nothing else to live for, and if I have to die fighting a bunch of god damn white supremacist pieces of chit, then so be it.
I hope that day doesn't come, but I'm not thrilled about the way things are going in our society.
You're getting really triggered recently. Maybe you should take a misc break or something.
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06-02-2019, 04:22 AM
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whatever happened to OP? last posted 2 years ago
did he died? did he isis?
did he died? did he isis?
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06-02-2019, 04:27 AM
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06-02-2019, 04:28 AM
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#148
Originally Posted By Jimmehhh⏩
Because I feel like I am watching a trainwreck happen in slow motion. I really see mass murders coming with all the propaganda and hate spread. I see a genocide of muslims in the works. I also see mass killing of the wealthy, which will likely include a lot of jews yet again. Finally, I see mass murder of hispanics in the works as well. There's this disgusting frustration growing in America. It's becoming more and more acceptable each day to call yourself a white nationalist or white supremacist even as the media tries to suppress it. The hate is growing like a malignant tumor. It's spreading everywhere. And ofc war with yet another muslim country looms.I live 1000's of miles away, I was probably asleep, I can't misc all the time.
You're getting really triggered recently. Maybe you should take a misc break or something.
You're getting really triggered recently. Maybe you should take a misc break or something.
Why can't people learn to fuking coexist and treat each other as individuals? Everytime I see any of this racial, cultural, whateveral chauvinism, a part of me fuking dies. I just want to be past all this. I want to live in a world which values science and math, and not blind hate. I am fuking tired of this world.
Every fuking day, everywhere I look, whether it is forums or games or anything, there is always racial, cultural, or religious strife. I am just sick of it. I am honestly fuking sick of it. It makes me want to fuking scream.
I've had people I know IRL become hardcore neonazis who applauded the NZ killer. It just fuking sickens me.
06-02-2019, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Bro you need a break.Because I feel like I am watching a trainwreck happen in slow motion. I really see mass murders coming with all the propaganda and hate spread. I see a genocide of muslims in the works. I also see mass killing of the wealthy, which will likely include a lot of jews yet again. Finally, I see mass murder of hispanics in the works as well. There's this disgusting frustration growing in America. It's becoming more and more acceptable each day to call yourself a white nationalist or white supremacist even as the media tries to suppress it. The hate is growing like a malignant tumor. It's spreading everywhere. And ofc war with yet another muslim country looms.
Why can't people learn to fuking coexist and treat each other as individuals? Everytime I see any of this racial, cultural, whateveral chauvinism, a part of me fuking dies. I just want to be past all this. I want to live in a world which values science and math, and not blind hate. I am fuking tired of this world.
Every fuking day, everywhere I look, whether it is forums or games or anything, there is always racial, cultural, or religious strife. I am just sick of it. I am honestly fuking sick of it. It makes me want to fuking scream.
I've had people I know IRL become hardcore neonazis who applauded the NZ killer. It just fuking sickens me.
Why can't people learn to fuking coexist and treat each other as individuals? Everytime I see any of this racial, cultural, whateveral chauvinism, a part of me fuking dies. I just want to be past all this. I want to live in a world which values science and math, and not blind hate. I am fuking tired of this world.
Every fuking day, everywhere I look, whether it is forums or games or anything, there is always racial, cultural, or religious strife. I am just sick of it. I am honestly fuking sick of it. It makes me want to fuking scream.
I've had people I know IRL become hardcore neonazis who applauded the NZ killer. It just fuking sickens me.
tho, can you point me in the direction of "mass killing of the wealthy". What's going on there?
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
My connection to Islam is that my brother is muslim, and I had a friend who is muslim as well. Both are of different sects, but generally good people.
It wasn't too long ago that mobs of people would kill nonchristians, people of color, etc. Anyway, you're again generalizing over a billion people. You've shown me two cases of backwards behavior due to a lack of education. What do you want? A purge? I'm serious. Tell me what you want done.
Your country screwed up its immigration and made a stupid decision and now you want to start a new crusade? Is that it? Tell me what it is you want.
And I'm not a kid. You're fuking 25.
It wasn't too long ago that mobs of people would kill nonchristians, people of color, etc. Anyway, you're again generalizing over a billion people. You've shown me two cases of backwards behavior due to a lack of education. What do you want? A purge? I'm serious. Tell me what you want done.
Your country screwed up its immigration and made a stupid decision and now you want to start a new crusade? Is that it? Tell me what it is you want.
And I'm not a kid. You're fuking 25.
Islam is that my brother is muslim, and I had a friend who is muslim as well
Wow your BROTHER IS A MUSLIM? And YOU KNOW A MUSLIM?chit brah I take everything back. Obviously you are a scholar on the topic then.
you're again generalizing over a billion people
So are you lol, based on two acquaintances.two cases of backwards behavior due to a lack of education
So hundreds of muslims rioting 15mins from the centre of Copenhagen - overthrowing around a Koranis because of a "lack of education"? Give me a break.What do you want? A purge?
Where is that coming from. I think the religion is ridiculous, that's not the same as purging the country of it.I do think Muslims should go back and rebuild their countries, and practice their ideology with those like-minded. It seems to have worked so well for them over the years.
What crusade? lol dude wtf
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