Not what happened. I tried going to college when I was younger- before I had kids. Back then(maybe even now) if you were 25 or younger they wanted your parents into as they considered you financially dependent on parents still- this was for financial aid. Anyways, they refused to give me info because they were up to shady **** and didn’t want their social security numbers out there.
I had my oldest at 24 and as soon as I turned 25 I applied to go to school.. started school and had a new born, I got overwhelmed and **** hit the fan.

I just paid back those loans- so this is why I’ve gone back to school, as well as other reasons.

I haven’t lost my value- there’s always some man out there that will take care of me. Hell, there’s one that does. If you want to see my cash app and Apple Pay- I could surely show it to you. All I have to do is tell him how much I miss him over the phone and ****.. then $500 in my account.

I’m trying to be a better person- so that doesn’t work for me. I don’t miss him so it takes something out of me when I lie to him.

I had my youngest close to 30.. that’s when I got married

Not going to weed through all the BS in this thread... lol.. but to answer the OP.. Lesbian Basket weaving had my heart but I ended up with a Mechanical Engineering degree that has provided well for me. However... @ 38yo if I could go back in time knowing what I know now I would likely go straight for Petroleum Engineering, especially given my location. I have more than a few friends that are and have been killing it for over a decade now in O&G. But this of course is just my opinion

The U.K. must be radically different, because everywhere I’ve worked, it’s get a foot in the door and work your way up. Qualifications outside of extremely specific vocational ones like medicine or law are just not that important. A good company will simply want to see you are reliable, trust worthy and hard working, all that jazz, and if you absolutely NEED a qualification such as accountancy, will very likely pay for it and let you study part time.

@op uhhh what kind of work do you want to do? That should sort of dictate what the "best degree" is lmao?

If you are chasing money/any paper behind your name then bachelors in business admin is the easiest and transferable.
Generally I would recommend doing a degree in something you are interested in since doing what your are interested in will always yield the highest ROI in the long term both financially and emotionally.

op can you plz give me your pics so i can catfish cucks online and gets free 500$?
ill give u 10% of any profits

Strongly recommend against Business Admin. Business Admin is basically a sampling of all the business degrees 300 level courses. You learn the basics about everything, but aren't capable of doing upper level accounting, finance, or economic operations.

Accounting -----> Finance -----------------------> Economics -----------------------------------> Business Admin/Marketing

The simple truth is that an Accounting Degree will allow you to get ANY entry level business job. Finance allows you to get most entry level business jobs. Everything else has very specific niches that limit your options. Once you have a job history the degree is just a checkbox qualifier.

Hey bby, I miss you and chit. Now send me $500.

I shouldn't be laughing, but I am. Sorry. Great post.

Michelle,
Are you looking at a community college, a state school, or a private college.
Are you looking at going full time, part time, or taking a course a semester for several years.
Do you have any college credit already?
Do you have any help caring for your kids, who I gather are under 10. 2 of them?
Is your current job secure. Does it have flexible hours?
Can you make ends meet with your current job while paying tuition, taking care of your kids, and will you have enough time to go to school full/part time and study?

I practiced medicine for 9 years after residency while supporting my wife and kids. She was in medical school for some of those years. After that, while she did her residency training, I worked part time and got an MBA. Doing what my wife did would not have been possible with our two kids, without some support system. In her case, that was me. I'm not trying to discourage you. I'm just trying to understand your situation and goals. The fact that this thread went to 5 pages piqued my curiosity, and having skimmed through it, it seems a lot of the posters here know a bit about you. I know nothing except what's in this thread.

I did see a post on project management I wanted to comment on. You won't make a living as a PM consultant. Most PM consultants are the project managers in their field who built up a huge resume over a few decades and then partially retired. Trying to become a consultant before you have many years of experience or an advanced degree and specialty is a pipe dream. I hope you don't choose your path based on that plan.

Also, when you say project manager, you sort of need a field. We have PM's in my company. They work on clinical trials. Project Management is field specific, and in my field, pharma, to get to the PM position, you start in "lower" positions and learn the jobs. But even those jobs require nursing or health care degrees, so getting in is tricky.

I agree that having a degree can help open doors. I've got a couple, partly because I got bored practicing medicine, and partly because I love being a student. That said, I wouldn't offer you advice on which degree might be useful without knowing answers to all of the above questions, and without knowing what field interests you enough that you'd like to work in them.

While this is not the website I'd go to for career advice, I think it's great that you want to work towards a career that you'll enjoy more and that will allow you to provide a better life for your kids. I chose my current because I got to work from home and raise the munchkins while making a pretty good living, but I was lucky. I've had family support from day one. I get the sense you didn't, so if my advice, which is worth very little more than you're paying for it, helps you make better choices, I'm happy to chime in. But like I said, none of us here really know enough to offer you much.

Good luck!

That's how easy it gets when you have a pussy.



Disgusting

1. Didn't realize that residency thing. That's pretty cool.

2. Really? From browsing the SDN forums it seems like most were hitting around 80 a week.

3. I read 60 hours a week on average, can't remember the source.

4. $130k is starting salary average for an associate to a practice. Of course you can make way more if you own your own practice. I know one with a single dentist in a rural area that has revenue of over $1000000 a year. I mean he has to pay for tools/staff/upkeep of course but he makes bank.

5. Debatable. Mouths don't gross me out easily, but lots of people find the concept gross, I get it.

I'm convinced some of you dudes are literally Retarded.

Michelle if you want REAL advice go to the sub forums, there's an Educations/Career/Finance section where posters can give tons of information. 34 is young and still plenty of time to make a change, I've had 40 year olds in my classes.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/forumdisplay.php?f=681

There are about 6 active poster in that section ignoring the crypto crew.

Many universities offer Technology Management degrees that would be less Comp Sci heavy than say a degree in Information Technology. I think those might be a better idea than Business Admin. A lot of the coursework from the degrees I looked at have courses specifically on Project Management, Quality/ Lean Management systems, Logistics, and Reliability/Safety engineering. Still broad enough to fit into junior project management positions, entry level management, Jr level analyst positions etc. and allow you a foot in the door to work your way up.

Honestly get a degree in what you would enjoy doing. I have a lot of responsibility and with that comes a lot of stress. I have to do a lot of thinking and analyze a lot which is something I enjoy doing. I also get paid very well for what I do so its your choice. I'm a 24 year old Mechanical Engineer and I make just over $100k. It is a lot of work and school would be hard, especially if you aren't good at math and science. You'd need to pick what subjects you're strong at and then narrow it down from there.

A good helping degree would be a nursing program which may pay a little better, but will have some stress involved. If you wanted to be a counselor or something, you'll need your masters and all that just to get a decent job. A friend of mine got her undergrad to be a school counselor. She then got an internship at a very private and prestigious school as like an intern/assistant. She then had to go back for her masters in education. She then had to reapply to the position and it was extremely competitive. She ended up beating everyone out and now has the job. Once she gets tenure she'll be set for life. My sister did something similar and she needed her undergrad, 2 masters, and like 5 certifications just to get the job she wanted. Once she gets tenure she'll be set for life too.

You're never too old to go back to college, but don't waste your time doing something you aren't going to stick out. As other posters said above, look at a school, see what courses you need, and knock out as many as you can at a local community college. After that transfer somewhere that will take your credits and finish the degree. Being an older candidate going back to school might make you look more determined and get you a job that you'd want.

Never stop learning because the world never stops teaching.

I would love to be a forest ranger... Also requires a masters degree and will pay about 18 dollars an hour...

It is great to love what you do. However, reality is that you are only worth as much as it takes to replace you. When things are enjoyable there is usually a line of people out the door willing to do it.

Find a job you don't HATE, but is hard enough that there are more jobs than workers looking to fill it. You will never find that with "fun jobs", but you can find jobs that feed into aspects of your personality.

I’m enrolled in a university. Its not super crazy expensive like a lot of colleges. I do have some credits but I’m not transferring them(I actually can’t because I owe that other school a tiny bit of money.- which I plan on paying back). I am going full time- I have this program that will assist me in a lot of things in order to go to school. Its mandatory that I go full time and that I maintain a certain grade point average. I had initially gone there for help finding a job right now but I scored very high on a lot of the tests that they gave me and it was strongly suggested that I earn a degree. I’m not bragging- just somehow I quit school very young but still have a 12th grade education, they said I had the highest scores they’ve ever seen. Despite what the misc thinks, I am very intelligent and I feel stupid working **** jobs when I’m capable of much more than that.

The company I used to work for was one that built certain landscape items- huge jobs that seriously called for project management. Unfortunately I had to do everything in the office- so I was never able to focus on just that. When I say everything in the office, I mean everything. I did payroll, scheduling, dispatching, ordered equipment, emails with customers, emails with accountants—-pretty much every last thing you need to do in order to keep a company moving.. I kept it above water but I wanted to make it grow- sadly it had the potential but the owner wouldn’t listen to me. When I worked there, he had 10 employees and tons of jobs and bringing in way more money than before I worked there. Now that I’ve left he had to fire everyone and is down to himself and 2 other employees. I’m obviously pretty upset that he wouldn’t give me the freedom to do what I could to make his company succeed- he just didn’t.
So with the project management on that- I’d of course have to make a budget, make a contact list of everyone involved(contacts, venders, and whatever else), a schedule with what employees would do what everyday and their payroll, equipment needed, daily contact with everyone involved, keeping an audit of everything that happened each day, and so much more- while of course expecting everything to not go to plan. Anyways, his company can’t be the only company lacking a person to do that. That little idea literally popped in to my head moments before posting it on the misc haha.

I think the business admin degree would be fine for me...I need a degree, so many people in this thread don’t seem to understand how vital one is to get ahead in life. There’s of course other ways to be successful but Those ways currently aren’t an option for me. I’ve had great paying jobs throughout my life but the hours normally suck and stuff. I want a career where I can have regular work time hours, weekends off, vacations(where I can afford to go somewhere). My kids suffer because I can’t offer this to them, my last job I was working third shift, bringing my kid to my moms every night and then sleeping during the day, that’s not fair.

I’ve also said this quite a bit but I’m not trying to be rich... I don’t need to make 6 figures but I need to be worth something and right now I’m not worth **** to any companies..

I like 23 degrees Celsius personally

I knowthat’s why I’m not going to go in that direction. I’ve seen my friends that got degrees in counseling and stuff and they’re not much better off than I am. I don’t want to be rich haha but I absolutely can not make ends meet even with working a 40 hour job. I seriously considered just working part time so that I could collect welfare and be better off. I am so against that but I got to that point because I was so tired. It’s not right lol. You know I applied for food stamps and didn’t qualify because I was working, that’s crazy. You can’t get help if you’re helping yourself.
Edit- it wasn’t like this in Texas btw- I could work full time and support my family...plus have extra. Here in Maine it’s not like that. The bar on poverty is set sooo low.


It’s hard to explain how they’re getting to me haha, it’s not because I believe there’s any truth to what they’re saying.. its like if someone kept trying to convince me that 2+2= 38 and were really rude to me about it acting like I was an idiot for thinking the answer is 4. Lmao if that scenario happened in real life I’d probably spend way too much time trying to convince them that the answer was 4..

Omg lol— and in this actual case there’s multiple people agreeing that the answer is 38. It drives me nuts. This is also another good reason why I shouldn’t do any social service work

Have you looked into moving to another company that does something similar? I'm assuming you worked in the office for a subcontractor as an administrative assistant. You could always move to another company or even start your own if you know how to do everything. Some projects require a company to have an MWBDE requirement which means a woman needs to have some ownership in the company. I know some people that get paid just to have their name on the top. You do have a lot of skills in what you do now and you could parlay those into another job, maybe even one better. If you didn't want to sit in the office, maybe you could make a switch out to the field and get hired as a field project manager, which make a good deal of money. If you know you can make a company grow then reach out to other companies that do the same work. It may not be the same subject matter but it could be something like a plumbing company or electric company.

In some careers you will need a piece of paper just to get to the next level, which in my opinion is pointless, but it's reality. It will also depend on where you live and the amount of money that you can make. Big cities offer more money than smaller ones. Not sure if you'd be willing to relocate but that could be a possibility.

My company won't even hire clerical staff without a 4 year degree so trust me I know how important that is. If you get a general business administration degree you will regret it. I'm not trying to discourage you or put you down. There is no job you can get with that degree that will not be available to you if you had a finance or accounting degree and those 2 will open up sooooo many more opportunities for you. You want as many options as possible after you graduate and hit the job market. You want to make a better life for your kids this is how you do it.

The problem with looking for similar jobs is that small companies want to pay that person close to minimum wage- they go out looking for people that don’t have a degree and feel ok doing that. Most of the time they get **** people that lie about everything and don’t even know how to use Excel. Right now I’m on the same level as the minimum wage person and a company would have it great if they got me and paid me minimum wage but I’d struggle. I’m not going to stay at that level.

I am absolutely willing to relocate, that’s actually part of the plan. Maine will not be a good place for me to utilize any degree. My plan right now- is that I have friends in DFW that are great connections for employment, however it doesn’t matter how much of a fit they think I’d be for their company without the actual prerequisites, it’s out of their hands.

Really? I liked the idea of a business admin degree because it’s so broad haha. Finance or accounting sound limited but you’re saying the opposite is true?

Edit- how much more math heavy are those degrees? I’m not learning disabled when it comes to math but I can say that I strongly dislike it lol. I can also build a minor and have a concentration.. so maybe business admin with a concentration on accounting with a finance minor? I’m just spewing **** out at this point- I don’t know if that’s something that exists right now.

Not him, but that is 100% the case.

Getting my degree in Finance vs Accounting was a mistake. Any job I could have got with my finance degree I could have also got with an accounting degree. The reverse is not true. It gets even worse with "business admin".

I picked finance because I love model building and projecting the future. The idea of doing "accounting" all day was horrible, but the truth is your degree is to get you in the door. You can specialize after. Accounting opens the most doors.

This is surprising!!! Thank you lol- I didn’t have a set question but I think whatever I needed to know is finally getting answered. I’ll probably switch to accounting degree then. That’s very strange to me that it works that way.. I really don’t want to be an accountant btw

Yes. Like the guy above I have a finance degree and accounting would have been even better. The math in the accounting and finance core classes is easy. I think they have the same base math requirements as any other business degree but I'm not sure since I did all my prerequisites while I was still in engineering. Also like Austanian said the degree gets you in the door. I work in the insurance industry and the CEO of my company took the same career path as me and has the same degree i do. I wouldn't bother with a minor unless you can get it just using up electives.You won't have to be but you'll be glad you have that accounting degree when you start looking for jobs and see how many more doors are open to you

Thank you, this is great advice. Took 20 pages to get it but here it is- and to think I almost deleted the thread lol. Yeah, I actually don’t quite understand what the purpose of a minor is or what it really is. This was something I was wondering- can you get 2 degrees in 4 years? They’d obviously be very similar but I wasn’t sure if you could share credits between degrees. This is mainly a hypothetical question out of curiosity, not actually something I’m seriously considering.

You wouldn't actually get 2 degrees it would be a double major. If you can it done in 4 years is entirely up to the way your school offers all the courses required for both of them and if you'd be willing to take 18 to 24 hours every semester.

Ahh ok. I was just wondering. I am going to find out about switching degrees to accounting soon.

Think about it this way. What is better taking 5 different language classes or taking the same language class only harder several times?

If you take Spanish 101, Italian 101, German 101, Japanese 101 you are left with 10 different phrases in 5 different ways, but zero ability to apply it in practice because you can't actually speak any of them.

All business degrees are about 80% the same. With those remaining 18 credits you have a choice of learning a little bit about everything or getting good at something. I would rather have someone that can speak a language than ask "Where is the bathroom" in 5 different ways.

Accounting is teaching you a language, Finance is teaching you how to evaluate, Economics is teaching optimization.

If you become fluent in the language of business (accounting) all it takes is google and some algebra and you can do Finance.