I think the question now is, "Why is wincel no longer banned?"All FA problems boil down to one thing.

Negative attitude.

Oh good this long winded tryhard is back

You know, I think a big problem these guys face is having a lack of social skills as an adult. Bobby was already a guy with a good sense of humor going to parties, all he had to change was his looks, which honestly isn't that hard, and if you are complaining about chit but are still fat/skinny and look like chit, then you need to fix that first. I don't mean to make excuses for these guys because excuses don't help anyone, but trying to develop social skills when you neglected to do that and now you're 25 and not in school/not working a job that involves people you would want to date/be friends with can leave you in a pretty chitty situation.

Putting yourself into social situations as an awkward guy with no friends to start with is a lot harder than putting yourself in a gym as a fat guy. People who think wincel should just "man up and stop being a pussy" are totally right, but completely unhelpful. I don't really know what the solution is though so I guess I'm just as unhelpful, I just don't see a point in being mean, these guys are already having suicidal thoughts so why basically bully them on the only platform where they feel they can get social interaction?

Yeah personality is huge. On a positive note here, I used to be an FA with absolutely zero and I mean ZERO experience with girls. Had not talked to one in ~7 years for more than 30 seconds that wasn't a family member or a conversation about work/school. I was convinced that I was incapable of talking to them, my brain would go blank when I was around them and I felt like talking to girls was the equivalent of learning how to communicate with aliens. However when I found myself in a situation where I was forced to spend time with this girl, I started off nervous and then eventually started feeling more normal, and once I felt comfortable with her (something I never thought could happen), I was all the sudden able to be myself, but more confident and charming. I had no clue I had it in me, and the first girl I talked to in years became my girlfriend for a while. So it is possible to break out of the FA mindset forsure, but for me, life had to basically force me to do it.

I remember I made a thread once about "social skills" and realized that for most people, it boils down to being good looking. In fact, there are many examples of this with serial killers, p3dophiles, rapists, and people who literally force others to let them chit in their mouths that get women. I guess they have good "social skills" huh? Or maybe they just have a more attractive face, are usually white and tall, and look "good". Don't know if you have ever seen the p3dophile tinder experiments, but it is quite sickening and eye opening. People will fuk Chad no matter what he does. Chad could literally ask sloots to help him dismember and eat someone and some sloots would. Go look at the cult lords and serial killers of history. Go look at what our politicians get away with.

Tell me I'm wrong.

I know how to communicate. That is not my problem. My problem is I am not good looking, and I am psychologically damaged from my experiences with women and life in general. I'm going to focus on the things TypeNirvash said to try to live a better life, but I have no illusions of ever being happy or finding a mate. Not everyone gets to reproduce, and nature appears to be selecting for and rewarding psychopathic, narcissistic, selfish types of people.

Nobody ever fuked a man for being a good man, but there are plenty of women who will line up to fuk a mass murderer. Never heard any woman go "OMG I want to have Mr. Rogers' baby!" Yea he married, but most married back then. I'm sure he'd be an incel today. Women used to value chastity, but the whole rock star/fame lifestyle along with the internet has resulted in more women going for Chads in general, hopping on his dick, and then never being satisfied ever again with anything less.

Things are going to get worse. As sexual inequality grows, those angry young men will lash out. People will die. It's inevitable. I've come to realize nature is a very brutal and cruel thing. This is part of why I really don't want to be on this earth anymore. It isn't about being good, if there even is such a thing. We are not an entirely cooperative species. We just fuk everything up too. You know what species are good? Honeybees, plants, bacteria... We don't deserve this earth, and part of me hopes we all go extinct soon.

Bet these people have great social skills right?

Wish I could get away with a mullet.

28% of men haven't had sex in the last year. You've admitted you have a FWB. You've probably fuked over 20 guys in your life. Most of the guys I know are average looking men, and none of them have had over 3 partners. It's a few attractive men who are fuking all the women.

All I can tell you is eventually pee pees are gonna meet mr slicy. If you think young men are going to live as cucks and wife up single moms to raise Chad's kids and feed and care for his sloppy seconds, you are mistaken. More men are waking up to this monstrosity.

Female sexuality and promiscuity has to be stigmatized and controlled, and Chad promiscuity has to be equally controlled or else we go back to the 17:1 breeding ratios of female to male in the past. And then the other 16 guys who don't get laid are going to focus on murdering the 1 who does. We have law and society so we don't have that happening. That was the entire point of chastity and marriage.

As long as we have so much welfare and security for illegitimate children, a society that encourages promiscuity and sexual liberation, so many policies that encourage and protect cucking unaware men into raising other men's kids, and so many policies that allow women to exploit and use men, the situation will become more dire and will eventually turn violent. We are not headed down a good path.

This is also strongly tied to economic inequality as well.

[QUOTE=bobbydigitaloa post_id=1582477111]Things still happen but you can give me a list of "what happened" to a person, me, whoever and I changed my mindset to "how could I have prevented this?" "What did I do to cause this?" "How could I have acted to change the outcome?"

Girls didn't want to fuk me...I wanted them to fuk me. Soooooooooo...I lost weight, put on muscle, I had the funny guy personality and your energy changes when you're better. They like that energy...problem was solved.

This THIS is why I refuse to listen to any of these bitch-made dudes that complain.
[/QUOTE]Bobby, thanks for playing ball here.

In all honesty, you're right; switching from thinking about why something happened to you and what you could do to prevent things like that is a huge dichotomy change. It affects a lot, and it generally makes you much better in the long run.

Having a problem solving mentality is HUGE when it comes to leading a better life. I wholeheartedly agree.


[QUOTE=wincel post_id=1582484301]I remember I made a thread once about "social skills" and realized that for most people, it boils down to being good looking. In fact, there are many examples of this with serial killers, p3dophiles, rapists, and people who literally force others to let them chit in their mouths that get women. I guess they have good "social skills" huh? Or maybe they just have a more attractive face, are usually white and tall, and look "good". Don't know if you have ever seen the p3dophile tinder experiments, but it is quite sickening and eye opening. People will fuk Chad no matter what he does. Chad could literally ask sloots to help him dismember and eat someone and some sloots would. Go look at the cult lords and serial killers of history. Go look at what our politicians get away with.

Tell me I'm wrong.

I know how to communicate. That is not my problem. My problem is I am not good looking, and I am psychologically damaged from my experiences with women and life in general. I'm going to focus on the things TypeNirvash said to try to live a better life, but I have no illusions of ever being happy or finding a mate. Not everyone gets to reproduce, and nature appears to be selecting for and rewarding psychopathic, narcissistic, selfish types of people.

Nobody ever fuked a man for being a good man, but there are plenty of women who will line up to fuk a mass murderer. Never heard any woman go "OMG I want to have Mr. Rogers' baby!" Yea he married, but most married back then. I'm sure he'd be an incel today. Women used to value chastity, but the whole rock star/fame lifestyle along with the internet has resulted in more women going for Chads in general, hopping on his dick, and then never being satisfied ever again with anything less.

Things are going to get worse. As sexual inequality grows, those angry young men will lash out. People will die. It's inevitable. I've come to realize nature is a very brutal and cruel thing. This is part of why I really don't want to be on this earth anymore. It isn't about being good, if there even is such a thing. We are not an entirely cooperative species. We just fuk everything up too. You know what species are good? Honeybees, plants, bacteria... We don't deserve this earth, and part of me hopes we all go extinct soon.[/QUOTE]Wincel,

It's this kind of thinking that is going to do you in, and I promise you that.

I hope you don't mind if I outline your current situation a little bit so that you can understand where you are going wrong;

-You have a lot of free time on your hands due to a lack of current obligations
-Of that free time, you spend a lot of it on the misc
-The misc is full of brahs who are dealing with issues in their own way, a lot of it in a toxic manner
-Incel culture permeates throughout the misc
-Your largest connection to reality is through this forums

If you see something enough somewhere, it becomes your reality. Your reality is the misc currently.

[B][i]I promise you that the misc does not have a proper grasp on reality[/i][/I]

The prolonged time you spend on the misc is guaranteed to create thoughts like this in your head. The misc wants you to believe that this is the truth; that you will never find a mate because you are not attractive. Truth is, nobody knows whether or not you're ugly.

[i]You mentioned that you're a 6/10 in a thread once [/i]

To me, that's really not ugly. That's a guy who could definitely find a significant other.

But let's get to the meat and potatoes;

[b]Your happiness will come REGARDLESS of whether or not you have a mate.[/b]

I feel the need to state this for several reasons;

-If you don't like yourself, how do you expect anybody else to like you?
-If you don't find value in your life, how are you going to show anybody else that there is a value in sticking around?
-If you aren't having a good time, how do you expect to show somebody else what a good time is?
-If you aren't happy alone, how can you expect that adding another human to the equation will make you happy?

Wincel, the way that you view this world is causing your distress. I can promise you that unless you look like Quasimodo, you will be fine. Everybody can stand to improve, however. But I know plenty of brahs who are pretty unattractive but all have girlfriends and/or get laid.

It's a matter of a few things;

-Learning to enjoy your life
-understanding your shortcomings
-making the most of what you have
-taking risks/putting your self out there
-enriching your life by adding hobbies, activities etc
-[b]building a social circle and having a solid group of friends that you spend face to face time with regularly[/b]
-going out to places and generally playing the field regardless of the way you look.





I said it in another thread but this is the equation to grow into the top 20%:

-Be a brah
-Exercise/get in shape
-Find new hobbies and new activities
-Have a good social group
-Find a decent job
-Be willing to challenge your views and beliefs


If you do all these things you're going to outrank about 80% of men.

[QUOTE=TypeNirvash post_id=1582489451]Bobby, thanks for playing ball here.

In all honesty, you're right; switching from thinking about why something happened to you and what you could do to prevent things like that is a huge dichotomy change. It affects a lot, and it generally makes you much better in the long run.

Having a problem solving mentality is HUGE when it comes to leading a better life. I wholeheartedly agree.




Wincel,

It's this kind of thinking that is going to do you in, and I promise you that.

I hope you don't mind if I outline your current situation a little bit so that you can understand where you are going wrong;

-You have a lot of free time on your hands due to a lack of current obligations
-Of that free time, you spend a lot of it on the misc
-The misc is full of brahs who are dealing with issues in their own way, a lot of it in a toxic manner
-Incel culture permeates throughout the misc
-Your largest connection to reality is through this forums

If you see something enough somewhere, it becomes your reality. Your reality is the misc currently.

[B][i]I promise you that the misc does not have a proper grasp on reality[/i][/I]

The prolonged time you spend on the misc is guaranteed to create thoughts like this in your head. The misc wants you to believe that this is the truth; that you will never find a mate because you are not attractive. Truth is, nobody knows whether or not you're ugly.

[i]You mentioned that you're a 6/10 in a thread once [/i]

To me, that's really not ugly. That's a guy who could definitely find a significant other.

But let's get to the meat and potatoes;

[b]Your happiness will come REGARDLESS of whether or not you have a mate.[/b]

I feel the need to state this for several reasons;

-If you don't like yourself, how do you expect anybody else to like you?
-If you don't find value in your life, how are you going to show anybody else that there is a value in sticking around?
-If you aren't having a good time, how do you expect to show somebody else what a good time is?
-If you aren't happy alone, how can you expect that adding another human to the equation will make you happy?

Wincel, the way that you view this world is causing your distress. I can promise you that unless you look like Quasimodo, you will be fine. Everybody can stand to improve, however. But I know plenty of brahs who are pretty unattractive but all have girlfriends and/or get laid.

It's a matter of a few things;

-Learning to enjoy your life
-understanding your shortcomings
-making the most of what you have
-taking risks/putting your self out there
-enriching your life by adding hobbies, activities etc
-[b]building a social circle and having a solid group of friends that you spend face to face time with regularly[/b]
-going out to places and generally playing the field regardless of the way you look.[/QUOTE]I know my happiness won't come from a mate. Though not having a mate is definitely one source of unhappiness for me (as it should be due to evolutionary imperatives). I have my own problems. I was reflecting more on inceldom in general. My problems aren't just that I'm incel. I have a lot of other issues. I just meant in general.
[URL=https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success]https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-...uctive-success[/URL]
There are serious issues with society right now.

I don't think that the issues you think "plague" society are truly issues plaguing society.

The article you linked doesn't prove anything or support much of your belief. Regardless; it is easier for a man to get laid in the 21st century than ever before. We are no long restricted by harsh and archaic religious practices. We are no long required to "court" extensively and marry before having our first go.

We are now in a period where women are more willing than ever to experiment with males, and where it is even encouraged to do so. All of the changes that have occurred have occurred in the benefit of incels, whether or not you like it. Having sex and finding a mate is more accessable than ever.

The problem is that it is up to you to realize that you are the thing holding yourself back.

I agree with a lot of what your post says but is this really your experience? It doesn't match mine at all. I don't know if you've seen a pic of me or not but I've posted it here before. I'm not anything to write home about. Not Chad but not ugly either and I'm honestly embarrassed of the number of girls I had sex with back in my degenerate days. I'm also naturally an introvert and got hit by the reaper before I even hit my full stride with women. I'm not saying looks mean nothing but they aren't the be all end all either unless I'm a lot better looking than I think which I'm pretty sure isn't the case. If you don't believe me I'll PM you a pic and the actual number

Wintel sure types a lot of garbage.

I am not good socially and have depression and anxiety. I don't talk when i'm in groups for some reason. I cannot find anyone to connect with. Like today i was talking to my coworkers and i did fine until they started talking about some netflix show for an hour and i couldn't relate. I'm just too quiet and not nuerotypical with people. I do connect with my girlfriend a lot but i even had trouble talking to her friends. Anytime i had to hang out with them i would just not say anything and wanted to go home.

I am just too introverted, weird and quiet for this life. I feel like an alien.

But they couldn't get away with murder.

I'm naturally introverted but you have to put yourself out there into uncomfortable situations. Work on your conversation skills. Learn to speak on a wide range of different subjects and also how to steer a conversation towards subjects you are more comfortable with.

You have depression and anxiety likely because your T levels suck. Get that chit sorted and a lot of that will go away. If that doesn't fix the anxiety get meds. You have a gf but you go on and on about incel stuff???? That makes no sense.

He’s a bitter man but I hope the best for him. Enjoy your time off bud.

Oh you’re back...

the handicapped giving the retarded advice in this thread.

Nothing says "I am contributing to the quality of advice being given" quite like observing from the sidelines and making snide comments

It may be easier to get sex for some men (though clearly, a lot of men are having much less sex too), but there is a lot more unhappiness across the board. Marriages are unstable, and families are falling apart. This definitely is an issue.

Wincel, try to answer the following questions without googling. Just go off the cuff here;

Without googling, how many men do you think are incels?
Why do you think marriages are failing?

I completely agree that the biggest problem most of these guys have is lack of social skills, and you can chalk that up to any number of causes: depression and anxiety (real or imagined), autism, narcissism, plain old lack of experience, etc. However a large portion of these guys (who look perfectly fine or even above average) will then completely derail the narrative by focusing entirely on looks. This is how we end up with guys thinking you need to be a male model to have any chance with women. Now I don't know what wincel looks like besides his thumb but he insists on his looks being the only thing holding him back but you read his posts and the story just doesn't check out.

As to advice like "man up pussy" not being helpful, it's not necessarily supposed to be "helpful". But it is what they need to hear. I was on the other side of the fence once, in my past life. So I do know what it's like. I try to give the same advice I wish someone had given me back in those days. But it's not my place to make them follow it. I just lay down the breadcrumbs and leave deciding to escape their situations and turning their lives around up to them.

That's been my experience, but keep in mind I was always a nerd and all my friends are nerds/stoners/gamers too.I don't insist that at all. I have said that there are many things, including childhood trauma, that make it difficult for me to connect with others.

You guys also assume incel is everything that defines who I am. I am a person with thoughts, and I think for myself. Inceldom is just one aspect of my life. It isn't the sole thing to define me.

I can empathize with a lot of what your saying dude. I'm not as severe an introvert as you but I used to do the same thing about asking how many people were going to be somewhere and then not going if it was too many. You need to get out of your comfort zone. It sucks at first but you can change it if you really want to.

I think about 1/3 men are incel on some level. I think marriages are failing due to a number of things. The first and biggest issue is economic inequality and purchasing power decline. Most people can't even afford families and chit now. Marriage is a commitment and usually involves housing, etc. It's hard to get there these days. Next, you have apps, such as tinder and other online dating that means the dating pool is much larger, it is much easier to quickly meet people, and this makes fidelity more difficult. You also have a culture that encourages promiscuity. This further erodes fidelity, and it also causes more women to have more prior sexual partners before marriage. This can lead to a lack of marital satisfaction. We have more welfare programs, meaning people who would have otherwise stayed together for their kids won't anymore. We have removed lots of the social stigma of divorce so more people get divorced now. We have really awful penalties for divorce on men, incentivizing men to not marry in order to avoid financial ruin. Weddings are ridiculously expensive. All this stuff works in tandem to erode away nuclear family structures.

Oh also there is a huge culture of fame these days. The number one thing kids want to be is famous now. This whole social media status culture is extremely fuked. And the culture of idealizing fame and chasing it has led to a very narcissistic, selfish culture. This indirectly leads to more men and women to act selfishly and cheat.