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post 1582801531 06-26-2019, 12:51 PM
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If only there was some form of birth control....
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Originally Posted By sammywatkins⏩
But how come that reasoning only excuses women of responsibility not men
Doesn't excuse anyone. She's still pregnant. If she stays pregnant, both are responsible. If she aborts, neither is responsible.
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Originally Posted By meanstringbean⏩
Hence why I don’t care about the women screeching about losing abortion rights. Welcome to the club ladies
you're just fukking over the girls who actually do abort though
post 1582801621 06-26-2019, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
Thanks for admitting abortion is about killing a kid to avoid responsibility, I guess?

You and your friend are pieces of sh*t. Not solid ones either - more like the gooey mucus that runs out your a$$ after a wet fart.
damn bro atleast let me be a solid piece of ****. And yes it is to avoid responsibility. my friend knocked this chick up who works as a waitress and shes in her late 20s. She should think "you know what? I couldnt take care of this child alone if it was just me so what would be the best option here?"
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post 1582801651 06-26-2019, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Yeah but thats not the way the law works. In reality, if the woman wants an abortion she gets one whether the man objects or not. So, as it stands the man has NO reproductive rights whatsoever. You cant have it both ways. If we are talking about what is RIGHT then either both have reproductive rights or nobody does.
I mean, I agree, ultimately the man doesn't get much of a say. There's no disputing that.
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post 1582801681 06-26-2019, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Doesn't excuse anyone. She's still pregnant. If she stays pregnant, both are responsible. If she aborts, neither is responsible.
Why does she have the sole vote then? I get that it's inside of her body, but your argument is that they're equally responsible.
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post 1582801821 06-26-2019, 12:54 PM
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So basically, you're suggesting a society where a man can breed as much as he likes, tell the mother of his child "abortion or GTFO", and then be absolved of all parental rights?

Are you asking why I think thats a bad idea?
post 1582801841 06-26-2019, 12:55 PM
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I could understand her wanting an abortion after realising the baby would inherit your friends retarded genes.

You responsibility begins when you put your dink in raw and doesn't end till that kid is 18 years old.
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post 1582801881 06-26-2019, 12:55 PM
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Where you've gone off the rails, OP, is assuming that there's any conceptual link between child support and wanting a baby.

Someone gets hit with paternity simply because the kidexists, whether it was wanted or not. It's been a legal fiction since the early republic, when it was customary to assign it to the master of the house if the skullery maid got knocked up some unknown village poor simply because he had deep pockets.

It's always been about keeping the baby off the streets and off the public dole, not the wishes of the parents. That's why they'll get you if you "assume the role" of paternity, even if there is no actual biological paternity: it isn't because they're trying to stabilize the kid's family structure, but because they found a sucker to stick with the title. If they know whose dick it was, they start there, regardless of anyone's feelings. Even if, somehow, neither parent was aware of the pregnancy or birth (imagine a man and a woman are both in a coma, and a deranged doctor decides to use one to inseminate the other), they'd both still be stuck with the kid.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
Why does she have the sole vote then? I get that it's inside of her body, but your argument is that they're equally responsible.
I'm only stating how it is. In an ideal world, both would discuss it and reach the same decision. We all know it's not an ideal world, though.
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Originally Posted By Frank
So basically, you're suggesting a society where a man can breed as much as he likes, tell the mother of his child "abortion or GTFO", and then be absolved of all parental rights?

Are you asking why I think thats a bad idea?
It's also a bad idea to give women that right but here we are.
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post 1582801991 06-26-2019, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
I'm as pro choice as it gets but there isn't an adult on the planet that doesn't know the risks involved with having sex. You don't have to be her man. You don't have to "put a ring on it", but if you knock up some sl00t, you better sack up and take care of your child.
Only when women have the same responsibility. Its all well and good to say men should "sack-up...man-up" and all sorts of other man-shaming phrases but as long as women can choose abortion unilaterally, you have a two sided system that empowers women while denying men their reproductive rights.
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post 1582802051 06-26-2019, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
Why does she have the sole vote then? I get that it's inside of her body, but your argument is that they're equally responsible.
You can't tell a woman to get an abortion just like I can't tell you to get an appendectomy.

Biology favors the woman in this scenario, but the good news is that there are many methods of birth control for men to 100% avoid a situation like this.
post 1582802131 06-26-2019, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
I'm only stating how it is. In an ideal world, both would discuss it and reach the same decision. We all know it's not an ideal world, though.
Well until we have an ideal world we need to speak out against the wrongs. Women in 1850 who couldnt vote werent happy to shrug their shoulders and say "oh well its not an "ideal world"".
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post 1582802171 06-26-2019, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Only when women have the same responsibility. Its all well and good to say men should "sack-up...man-up" and all sorts of other man-shaming phrases but as long as women can choose abortion unilaterally, you have a two sided system that empowers women while denying men their reproductive rights.
So would you be happy if the woman lost her right to choose to have an abortion?
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Originally Posted By Bingu⏩
then the girl should accept 100% of the responsibility.

One of my best friends just told me he got this girl pregnant and she is 100% against aborting it when he wants to abort it.

If the girl is 100% against abortion and the guy is 100% wanting to abort the baby, then the guy should have absolutely no responsibility towards taking care of the child.
your friend is a scumbag. gives other men a bad name.
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Well until we have an ideal world we need to speak out against the wrongs. Women in 1850 who couldnt vote werent happy to shrug their shoulders and say "oh well its not an "ideal world"".
OK, but I fail to see anything wrong with the described situation. That's where we disagree.

And we will not agree on this, which is fine.
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Originally Posted By Frank
You can't tell a woman to get an abortion just like I can't tell you to get an appendectomy.

Biology favors the woman in this scenario, but the good news is that there are many methods of birth control for men to 100% avoid a situation like this.
A condom or a vasectomy cause that's about all men have.. Women have all of patches, IUDs, pills, day-after pill etc...
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Originally Posted By Frank
You can't tell a woman to get an abortion just like I can't tell you to get an appendectomy.

Biology favors the woman in this scenario, but the good news is that there are many methods of birth control for men to 100% avoid a situation like this.
Illogical example. In the appendectomy example it's just the man's body that is involved. In a pregnancy the man is legally tied to the choice of whether or not to abort AND there is a third life involved as well. Its not just about the women's life and should not just be her choice.
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Originally Posted By _chef_⏩
lol that's not how it works.


When you put it in, using no protection, you indirectly accept the consequences regardless of your "opinion" lol.


get real bruh bruh
so what happens to a woman who lets someone put it in, with no protection, then drops off the kid at a firestation? Should she be financially responsible?
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
OK, but I fail to see anything wrong with the described situation. That's where we disagree.

And we will not agree on this, which is fine.
Well when people cant see why something like this is wrong it usually helps to reverse the situation and put them in the other persons shoes; Suppose the man had total, unilateral control on whether or not you had an abortion. If he chose to have the baby, you would be forced, for the rest of your life, to take responsibility for it. If you wanted the baby and he chose to abort, you would have no power to stop him from taking that away from you. How does that make you feel, still not seeing the "wrong"?
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Originally Posted By Bingu⏩
then the girl should accept 100% of the responsibility.

One of my best friends just told me he got this girl pregnant and she is 100% against aborting it when he wants to abort it.

If the girl is 100% against abortion and the guy is 100% wanting to abort the baby, then the guy should have absolutely no responsibility towards taking care of the child.
Men aren’t women. Men have to take responsibility for their actions.

Life isn’t fair.

Also, your friend is a pos.
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Almost no perfect answer here unless people start signing contracts prior to having sex agreeing to abortion in the case of pregnancy.

Maybe "tiered" child support?

Dude pays less if gives up the right to be in the child's life?
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If idiots are dumb enough to knock sloots up, then I am not going to foot the bill for helping raise some single mom's kid because the dad skipped out. Obviously it's unfair to the man, but the whole reason these sort of laws are in place is because everyone knows someone has to support these women since so many of them are incapable of taking care of their own business. It's like in the old days how dads used to pay a dowry to get a daughter out of their fckin hands. The government sure as fck doesn't want to do it, I don't want to do it. At least the dude doing it got to blow his load before wasting all his money.
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Originally Posted By mstatefan91⏩
A condom or a vasectomy cause that's about all men have.. Women have all of patches, IUDs, pills, day-after pill etc...
Pull out and bust on her face, jizz in her butthole, let her suck you dry, lots of options other than going balls deep in her vagina.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
No the willingness to abort the baby shouldn't absolve him of his choice to get her pregnant in the first place.

Sorry.
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Pull out and bust on her face, jizz in her butthole, let her suck you dry, lots of options other than going balls deep in her vagina.
You do understand that pulling out is not an effective means of birth control? right? Please tell me you know that... plz
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I'm 100% against abortion, I think it's murdering children for convenience and all that, but let's just play devil's advocate

In a sick twisted world where abortion is an option, here's how it should go down:
-both parents should have a say whether their kid lives or dies
-if either parent wants the kid to live, then the kid lives
-if one parent chooses life and one chooses death, the one who chose life is fully responsible for the kid. They get 100% custody, and they can choose if they want to give it up for adoption or not
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Originally Posted By mstatefan91⏩
You do understand that pulling out is not an effective means of birth control? right? Please tell me you know that... plz
next thing you know, you'll tell us that blowing your load in a girl during her period isn't effective birth control
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
I agree, but only financially. The guy should still be required to play a role in the child's life. That's his duty for not taking precautions available to him to not get her pregnant.

I also think that if the guy 100% wants the baby and the girl doesn't, she shouldn't be allowed to abort it and the guy would be 100% financially responsible for it.

Edit:

AND, if neither party wants the baby and it comes into this world, both parties should be financially responsible for the baby even if it gets adopted and/or goes into foster care.
The people that run things doesn't want paternal involvement they just want fathers separated from their money. Women, on the whole, make better consumers than me do because they are more susceptible to societal pressure and feel more of a need to fit in and belong. But it isn't just men they're after they're also after women and do everything they can to belittle traditional female roles and try to push women into masculine pursuits. If people are never fulfilled they are always going to be searching for the one thing to make them feel complete and sadly, these days it tends to be commercial products. I agree with you but there is less than a 0% chance of any of that happening
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