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post 1583913031 07-15-2019, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted By heaa21
ITT OP pays someone else’s mortgage and thinks he’s getting the upper hand.

I’m renting right now and I hate it. Every time I cut a check to my owner I just know that that they’re redirecting that money to the bank and keep the equity buildup. The whole “durr everything breaks and you have to fix it!” Is overstated. Nothing significant has ever broken while I’ve rented. Not enough to offset the equity gains, at least.
Give it some more time. All homes are constructed to break down because that is where the money flows from. Just because you haven't noticed a problem doesn't mean there is a problem.
post 1583913161 07-15-2019, 12:23 AM
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My house burnt down. I ended up with a paid off house, all new **** and a brand new house.

Insurance ftw.

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post 1583913291 07-15-2019, 12:26 AM
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Property is one of the best investments you can make. Srs. They're not making anymore land OP.
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post 1583913381 07-15-2019, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted By TomcatAli
Give it some more time. All homes are constructed to break down because that is where the money flows from. Just because you haven't noticed a problem doesn't mean there is a problem.
..... Like what? Replacing a roof every 20 years? Maybe a toilet replacement or a quick sink fix. That's not going to offset payments coming in from tenants.
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post 1583913831 07-15-2019, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted By tunafishha
i like houses in the50k range. The neighborhood is a little rough but not too rough. You can then put another 20-30k into it and live like a king. Really, the most important thing to a house is the heater, water, ac, and just overall free from dust and mold.

You learn whats important when you get it taken away from you. My water heater went out for a week - it was living hell
Did you miss a zero, or do you live near Ashin?
post 1583913901 07-15-2019, 12:45 AM
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OP's parents are only charging him $600/mo for rent. That doesn't seem to be too bad for him I guess. At least he can help his parents out as they help him too.

Good for you OP!
post 1583913931 07-15-2019, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted By bigdownunder
Did you miss a zero, or do you live near Ashin?
lol well like i said houses in that range are a little rough. You have mexicans, blacks, whites, asians living in these areas. But you have to know how to gauge the danger level because even within these neighborhoods, theres low crime and high crime areas. But crime has fallen a lot over the years.
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post 1583914061 07-15-2019, 12:50 AM
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lmfao @ rentcels
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post 1583914081 07-15-2019, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted By l2ambo
..... Like what? Replacing a roof every 20 years? Maybe a toilet replacement or a quick sink fix. That's not going to offset payments coming in from tenants.
The way roofings are done nowadays... I'd say that 20 year reckon is now somewhere between 5-10 years and that's if you are in a state of consistency with the weather.

Majority of toilet issues are plumbing problems that are earth problems (drainage).

A quick sink fix? Not with them soft hands.
post 1583914291 07-15-2019, 12:56 AM
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Having an income producing asset is always better than renting. I own few homes, I just make sure the rent I am getting covers everything in the op youre scared of. Having an asset is always a positive unless you are scared bud
post 1583914301 07-15-2019, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted By TomcatAli
The way roofings are done nowadays... I'd say that 20 year reckon is now somewhere between 5-10 years and that's if you are in a state of consistency with the weather.

Majority of toilet issues are plumbing problems that are earth problems (drainage).

A quick sink fix? Not with them soft hands.
Fkn LOL 5-10 years on current roof tech. You're fkn delusional.
post 1583914401 07-15-2019, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted By ooph
Fkn LOL 5-10 years on current roof tech. You're fkn delusional.
Majority of people who handle that roof tech aren't ready for it. It's like giving steroids to a natty that couldn't build his own muscle. Tradies in it for the skill and satisfaction of building are becoming obsolete. Give me an og laborer with what worked and keep the idiot with the latest and greatest materials away.
post 1583914661 07-15-2019, 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted By TomcatAli
Majority of people who handle that roof tech aren't ready for it. It's like giving steroids to a natty that couldn't build his own muscle. Tradies in it for the skill and satisfaction of building are becoming obsolete. Give me an og laborer with what worked and keep the idiot with the latest and greatest materials away.
Interesting, where I'm from ALL the roofers are russians or ukranians. Rarely any mexicans.
post 1583914971 07-15-2019, 01:26 AM
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depends on the markets and ur needs imo
post 1583915031 07-15-2019, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted By ooph
Interesting, where I'm from ALL the roofers are russians or ukranians. Rarely any mexicans.
Oh we have everybody but white men doing it now. Perhaps there are more white women roofers than white men. it's possible but don't quote me on that just yet.
post 1583916391 07-15-2019, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted By TomcatAli
The way roofings are done nowadays... I'd say that 20 year reckon is now somewhere between 5-10 years and that's if you are in a state of consistency with the weather.

Majority of toilet issues are plumbing problems that are earth problems (drainage).

A quick sink fix? Not with them soft hands.
Took me like 30 mins to take out a strainer body and all the components with the down pipe, Hand saw new copper down pipe to size, and put it all back new. First time ever. I'm a carpenter BTW. Your girl loves my hands and that's not all.
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post 1583916501 07-15-2019, 02:58 AM
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Oh this thread again.
post 1583917831 07-15-2019, 04:25 AM
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I broke this down before and got negged, but here I go again just to break down the real numbers:

500k house at 10% down with 3.49% interest for 25 years costs 350k in interest over the life of the mortgage. So that's 850k. Factor in at least one major (10k ie furnace, roof, water in basement) repair every 5 years and that's another 50k and property taxes at 500 a month will cost you another 150k. So now that 500k house over its' lifetime has cost you over a million.

Ah, but wait, I'll sell it and make bank! Okay, so in 5 years I sell it for 600k. Bye bye down payment of 50k. Property taxes and repairs and interest still cost likely over 100k. So that "profit" is gone. Oh, and my real estate agent will take 5% for doing showings and paperwork just because that's the way it's done.

Oh, but I'm making an investment and have equity. Yes! But if the market goes down, it's a depreciating asset and you can get ****ed easily depending on the market. Plus, people think they have massive amounts of equity after 5 years and in reality a bank might give you 50-75k extra.

Buying a house is only good if a) you are in a good market for it, can fix up a craphole yourself and don't mind waiting b) you need to be stable ie have kids that need to go to schools in that area or c)you can rent out rooms, AirBnB etc to have others pay your mortgage. Otherwise it is not a great financial investment.

This was explained to me by a financial advisor friend I have and my mind was blown.
post 1583917931 07-15-2019, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget
I broke this down before and got negged, but here I go again just to break down the real numbers:

500k house at 10% down with 3.49% interest for 25 years costs 350k in interest over the life of the mortgage. So that's 850k. Factor in at least one major (10k ie furnace, roof, water in basement) repair every 5 years and that's another 50k and property taxes at 500 a month will cost you another 150k. So now that 500k house over its' lifetime has cost you over a million.

Ah, but wait, I'll sell it and make bank! Okay, so in 5 years I sell it for 600k. Bye bye down payment of 50k. Property taxes and repairs and interest still cost likely over 100k. So that "profit" is gone. Oh, and my real estate agent will take 5% for doing showings and paperwork just because that's the way it's done.

Oh, but I'm making an investment and have equity. Yes! But if the market goes down, it's a depreciating asset and you can get ****ed easily depending on the market. Plus, people think they have massive amounts of equity after 5 years and in reality a bank might give you 50-75k extra.

Buying a house is only good if a) you are in a good market for it, can fix up a craphole yourself and don't mind waiting b) you need to be stable ie have kids that need to go to schools in that area or c)you can rent out rooms, AirBnB etc to have others pay your mortgage. Otherwise it is not a great financial investment.

This was explained to me by a financial advisor friend I have and my mind was blown.
That's why you buy land in a rural area, build the house yourself and make 100k right away. BTW, property value in my area has literally gone up 60-80% in 5 years. No exaggeration.
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OP, you'd have some points if at the end of the day the home owner didn't have a valuable asset that appreciated while you have absolutely nothing. If this isn't a troll, I hate you inform you of your retardation.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
You forgot to factor in inflation ( just to name one omission in your woefully simplified example ).

And why do lose your downpayment if you sell?

Sounds to me like your share a financial advisor with trailerbrah.
Inflation on house value only happens if you're in a good market. At least at a pace that can outdo the 6-8% return you will get from a decent index fund annually.
post 1583918711 07-15-2019, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget
Inflation on house value only happens if you're in a good market. At least at a pace that can outdo the 6-8% return you will get from a decent index fund annually.
^ This although all assets tend to do well or do badly in any given period (there is positive correlation)

If you want to judge the benefit of housing after adjusting for maintenance costs and the benefit of actually living in the thing, the fairest way is to use an ETF (exchange traded fund) that tracks the housing market.

For example, go to google finance, enter "REZ" and do a comparison with SPX (S&P 500 index). The US stock market outperforms it by about double between 2007 - present (even including the financial crash in 07)
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Originally Posted By miscbrah44
i would get a trailer but the land is too damn expensive here
Aren’t you the guy that goes to parties and steals chit?
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Just lmao @rentcels not having the feeling to call yourself at home.
Just lmao @ not having a courtyard to play with the kids.
And lmao @ giving money to the boomers for life.


Your arguments can work ONLY if you use the portion of the money you save from renting to invest aggressively. Majority of miscers don't save money or leave it in a saving account with .015% interests.






































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I knew this thread would be INFESTED with 30 yr old boomers but I clicked anyway.

brb government owns your property you never truly own anything
brb living in the middle of BFE for the same price I can live in the middle of the city
brb no maintenace costs dont have to buy a new roof every 10 years
brb can up and leave whenever TF I want
brb make more in investments every year with the down payment equivalent you put up than any "equity"

Boomercels on suicide watch cause they have been brainwashed by banks to own a piece of chit house in the suburbs.
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Originally Posted By GainzMcgee
I knew this thread would be INFESTED with 30 yr old boomers but I clicked anyway.

brb government owns your property you never truly own anything
brb living in the middle of BFE for the same price I can live in the middle of the city
brb no maintenace costs dont have to buy a new roof every 10 years
brb can up and leave whenever TF I want
brb make more in investments every year with the down payment equivalent you put up than any "equity"

Boomercels on suicide watch cause they have been brainwashed by banks to own a piece of chit house in the suburbs.
Why are you skipping the part where you can sublet out and live rent free? Or own multiple investment properties and earn rental income from credit strapped millennials that can barely afford toilet paper let alone "aggresive investments" lmao!
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Originally Posted By GainzMcgee
I knew this thread would be INFESTED with 30 yr old boomers but I clicked anyway.

brb government owns your property you never truly own anything
brb living in the middle of BFE for the same price I can live in the middle of the city
brb no maintenace costs dont have to buy a new roof every 10 years
brb can up and leave whenever TF I want
brb make more in investments every year with the down payment equivalent you put up than any "equity"

Boomercels on suicide watch cause they have been brainwashed by banks to own a piece of chit house in the suburbs.
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OP thinks you need to buy a new roof every year
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Landlords are clearly in the business to lose money, glad you figured that out so young you vampire skinned *******.
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It's ok op, i use to have the same mentality when i was 27. Now 40 and wish i would've bought sooner. Also bought in a steaming hot market in Orlando. Might cash out big time in 10 years. Who knows i'll wait and see
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