This.

OP is from Commiefornia where all government jobs pay too much.

They start them at ~41k/year here in VA. Costco workers make more. Srs.

I think a big problem is that we pay kindergarden teachers the same as high school Physics and Calculus teachers. U foking wot m8? It's no wonder we drag behind other countries in the STEM department.

It seems like all the hate is because of them getting paid with taxpayers money.

Partly. Partly because it's not at market rate. Private schools pay teachers less, spend less per pupil, and get MUCH better results

you have no solid argument or points to make, just you're hurt little ******* feelings.

We pay them as taxpayers, and they do a horrible job yet want raises. They are scum and extort the public by going on strike whenever they feel like it, but worse yet they claim it's for the kids. At least be genuine in why you want raises

explain. How this is cope with an actual point maybe, you sound like a pre teen arguing

Went to college to be a teacher. It's challenging, but not "difficult", especially if you have any sort of interpersonal skills and a good work life balance. Teachers are paid fairly, and they have the nice benefit of having summers off. or they could chose to work over the summer and make even more money. the best and brightest teachers will get their admin credentials and work their way into management where they are easily making 100k+ a year.

Oh and heres another thing....half my cohort in college...a bunch of slack jawed idiots who i wouldn't want anywhere near my own child in a classroom setting. that's a cold hard fact. And don't even get me started on tenure. The fact that you can be the worst teacher in the world and still guaranteed your salary is typical retarded government run idiocy. Basically every other profession in the world is performance based.

also, lol at people bringing up CEO's being overpaid. What you don't realize is that a company is AGREEING to pay their CEO that much because that is how much they believe that person is worth. If they aren't worth it and don't perform, that CEO would be dropped like a bad habbit, something that would never happen to an underperforming teacher.

I don't know where you went to school, but I went to school in a district where teachers got paid some very high salaries.

85% of my teachers were great.

I was on a terrible path as a student, and skipped class often. I hated myself, and had very few friends after a move to a new district. I got into trouble a lot, and was disruptive in class because I only understood how to obtain negative attention.

Some of the teachers at that school made a real difference in my life by spending time with me.

My wrestling coach (who was also a teacher) was one of the first adults in my life to actually vouch for the fact that I wasn't a bad kid when I had almost been expelled. And no, I wasn't a star athlete. Just to put that into perspective, I had family members who just would not let me come over and visit because of how misbehaved and disruptive I was.

My experience with teachers has been very good, and I think it's pretty off-base to just claim all X as Y. You and I both know that's not a intellectually intelligent way to craft an argument.

its a simple case of where we rank, we're high in tech, defense, economically, etc. Yet we have a piss poor public school system. It's like a college football coach finishing last in his conference then asks for a raise. Its ridiculous

Have you ever heard of the termstraw man argument?

Once again, you can't just allege that all X is Y.

given that they're union we really have to treat them as one.

This is an extremely well reasoned post. Repped.

COPE for why you or someone you are invested in can extort way more than they are worth through CEO benefits or the like.

It is always possible this guy was just one of those dumbphukks at school he zucked azz at every subject and now tries to justify that laziness/stupidity by saying teachers are bad.
Guess what kid. You as well as most need to take some personal responsibility for a change.
Maybe instead of seeing school as a place only to socialise or for getting your kicks by bullying peaceful students, you should have studied a little to improve your grades. Because while you might not have been the sharpest tool in the shed, a little effort through study could have gone a long way.

It's called personal responsibility.

prob already posted but, I'm only on page 2 of riveting posts

go phukk yourself.
No one gets paid while they're doing their degree.

brb, changing majors

Yeesh. You sound like my grandpa. I swear some of the chit on this forum is very triggering. Don't know whether I should take people here seriously or not.

Spend a year actually doing the job and your opinion might change on the matter.

I am a teacher and would not change my profession for anything in this world. I went into it knowing I wouldn't make a lot of money. Teaching has been something I have been wanting to do since I was a kid. It can be fun, rewarding, painful, agitating, and you grow with the job. I never expect wage increases, nor do I honestly care how much I truly make. Just as long as I can what I need to survive. That's the thing though, I had to sacrifice a lot just to even get my job. I work from before 7am to 5pm. School is out at 2:16. I have tutoring, clubs or sometimes meetings until 3:30, then I stay until about 5 because I'm grading. I eat between periods because I give my lunch up to give tech help to teachers or tutoring time for students who can't come after school.

I have been teaching for a few years now and just will just barely break 60k this year at the start of the new school year since our pay increase went through. First time too after about 8 years. My starting pay was 40k. In my current pay scale tier, with a masters, I can make a max of 80k by my 12th year. To break that I have to go back to school and earn more credits. Just to even reach 6 figure I need to be teaching 20 years, provided I paid extra to get additional college credit, and a higher degree above a masters to reach the final pay tier. Never mind the wonderful debt I incurred just to get my masters and credentials, the 3 years of loans I needed to survive on while there were hiring freezes across the state, and having to take laughably low paying subbing jobs just to get my foot in the door. I would love to get my PHD, and it is something I have been wanting to do since I was an undergrad. I have so many ideas on how I could go about it, but at the moment it is out of the question because the pay doesn't justify the additional stress,debt and time needed just to make 100k in a little over a dozen years.

The job is incredibly stressful at times and was part of the reason why I stopped working out in the first place because my whole life is this job. I barely was able to get tenure, because most districts will fire you last second just to save money. Nothing is more horrifying when the district calls in all of their temps, gives us this big ass reception only to tell us at the end "Oh by the way, you are technically out of the job. Don't call us, we'll call you if you have a job next year. Thank you for working with us. We'll half assidly answer your questions about why you are all terminated. Goodbye." I was lucky though, I had people who knew how I taught, trained me, worked with me, evaluated me, observed my classes non stop, and pushed for me to get hired. This field of work effs up a lot of new teachers their first 5 years, and takes them awhile to get back up on their feet if they can at all. I know teachers who have been temps for 12+ years and have been basically within the first tier of pay that stops at 58k a year. Then you got a huge lack of discipline from students, disrespectful admins who act like they are a boss and not a leader, needlessly competitive teachers, parents who don't parent their kids, irate parents, district staff who are out of touch, people who don't know chit who dictates how you should do your job, and people who assume you're stupid or something because apparently they know your job better despite not ever having any experience doing the job.

The area you teach does determine your wage though. California pays more than most states, but that is because of the cost of living. LA pays higher out of most of the state because it is very hard for them to retain teachers. A lot of districts are like revolving doors because teacher burn out is quite high. One of my friends in my masters program got a job in LA. His starting wage seemed high, but didn't mean jack when it came to the cost of living in the area, health insurance, dental, the fact he was getting sick practically every week, and severe mental stress. Eventually he burned out after about 3 years, and then terminated his contract midway into his 4th year because the stress of everything was way too much for him. Dude was in therapy for awhile after that, and has gone back to school for a different career.

My district, the starting wages were under 42k a year when I started (it has changed considerably by about 10k). Compared to other districts around me, my district pays far less, but that is because of the benefits they maintain. Ok medical, got dental, and options for life insurance, vision - all basic necessities. Still difficult to pay for these even with those insurance programs. Other districts pay greater, but leave the benefits out of the door making the teachers pay for it all, which basically will leave them back at about my wages. I'm lucky being single honestly, but I feel for those single parents and teachers with a lot of people in their family. On top of that, retirement is not enough and will not cover my expenses as I become of retiring age, which is now 65 for my hire group compared to the 58 and 61 range it was before. IF I make it to that age.

The only ones I ever see who honestly complain about wanting more pay are those who never went into the profession willingly. They suck at their job and mindlessly go about effing over people who honestly put their life into the work. This was their last resort basically. They B**** about their pay, about the job, about their classes, but never work on improving. Then, more often then not, they get their admin credentials (usually in the first 5 years) and become some of the worst admins ever. The kicker for this is that most of them get everything handed to them: the job, better classes, classes with little work, stuff that makes them feel important, etc. You got good ones in the mix, but they are overshadowed by people not here for the job. A lot of them are women as it is a female focused field, but I have seen quite a bit of men doing the same crap.

Then we have people who don't know diddly squat who go online to b**** thinking the problem is unions, politicians, and greedy teachers who are out for their money!

But take it as it is to be honest. I'll probably have someone complain about how my reply was too long, or how I'm from California, or how I'm some Liberal chit, or some other bs. Wouldn't seem out of the ordinary for this section of Misc.

boo phuckin hoo. you knew exactly the pay structure and job you were signing up for. if you don't like it, quit, otherwise stfu. absolutely no one gives a fuark about your sob story that you are directly responsible for.

just lol at this pathetic "teacher".

Starts out by saying always wanted to be a teacher, wouldnt change it for the world, didnt expect to make a lot of money... followed by wall of text of bitchign and complaining about how underpaid and over worked he is.

Just like every other teacher out there, a whining crybaby bish.

How many of you have actually stood in front of a classroom and had to deal with the non-stop stress of lesson preparation and babysitting unruly students? Unlike an office job, when you're a teacher you always have to be "on" and in entertainer mode. You can never just zone out in your work.

Considering the majority of them do a terrible job of teaching and often times they try to inject their political bias into kids I would agree.

lol teaching isn't an inherently difficult job and education degrees are some of the easiest to attain. teachers make what they're worth.

You aware that many teachers are putting in 60+hr weeks by the time you add in the work they do outside of school?

Lol..... idiots here acting like teachers just punch the clock and work 20 hrs/wk.

If you chose a chitty career that doesn't give you enough vacation time or pay that's YOUR fault... not theirs.

none because we didn’t decide to become teachers. fuarkin crybaby’s work 9 months a year borderline babysitting.

Always love posts made on the misc during their regular 7-3;8-4;9-5 working hours, but then complain about teachers being overpaid.
> Talk about being busy and dealing with bullchit; cries on the misc.
> Complains about teachers salaries; cries on the misc.

How fast do you think a teacher would get fired if they were caught on social media while they were teaching?



Note: I'm content with them being paid the way they are, but don't think it should be reduced.

Are you kidding? My ex posted Ig stories while the kids were in class like 5x per day.

This has been said many many times ITT, yet people will ignore it and say teaching middle school is a cake walk.

People with money send their kids to private school because the kids in private school are better behaved and its a lot harder for kids to fall into the wrong crowd. I went to both public and private schools. I went to private k-7 public 8-10 and then back to another private my junior and senior year. When I first started public school in it was a massive culture shock. There were 3 pregnant girls in my 8th grade class and a couple of 16 y/o dudes that were just biding their time till they could drop out. Luckily I tested into all the accelerated courses so I in my actual classes but the sports locker rooms were crazy. People would steal anything that wasn't nailed down. It was like prison and you figured out pretty quick that if someone stepped at you you better be ready to fight or you would be a mark.

At my wife's old private school kids were more poorly behaved and parents far more difficult to deal with than her hood public school job. Leadership is what makes a school though. A great principal makes a great school and a bad one destroys it.

$60k is the average salary in the US. Already posted the link manletbrah but here it is again
https://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/te..._salaries.html

Already answered your other comment.

Kid is in private school and it's night and day different levels of kids and teachers. Well worth the cost of tuition. I do wish they would let us private schoolers deduct tuition costs since we can't elect out of public school mils and taxes.