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post 1587314841 09-05-2019, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Dave Ramsey addresses this nonsense in this video. Cliffs: Its a ****ing lot easier now then it was in the 60's and 70's. Stagnant wages is an excuse. Millenials have been cucked by Madison Ave and consumerism.

Good video. Repped.

Growing up our vacations were within an hour drive and basically consisted of visiting relatives.

First time I ever flew was when I was 18 to go to boot camp in the Army. His story about his honeymoon was our situation too. We drove down to Florida (14 hour drive) and thought we were living it up. Out wedding only cost like $400, encompassing everything.

I'm tired of people calling themselves poor when they have a phone in their pocket that costs several hundred dollars. You're in no way poor.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Hey look, we a real critical thinker here - I expect nothing less from a mechanical engineer. Correct, that is exactly what I do. Its actually very simple.



All of my income from work is allocated into investments, which pays off the small loans for my living expenses later on. I do make payments for the loan and they come out to $300 per year but they increase every year since my living expenses stack up annually. By cutting out housing expense OR MAKING IT VERY LOW, im able to use borrowed money for the living expense.

And you are smart enough to know that banks don't hand out loans for personal expenses. But I found a way to use borrowed money for very little interest. Its technically a loan but not a traditionally loan like for house or car from the bank.

Don't misunderstand me, the method im using would force anyone to live in a un-ideal situation(a $300 apartment). But my money makes me money instead of going into expenses compared to the folks living near me in the same situation.I become richer on the very same income of those around meinstead of living paycheck to paycheck because I use leverage.
Just like I said, retard accounting. You're using your returns on leverage to offset expenses and then pretending the expenses don't actually exist.

My investment returns are about $30k a year, and our expenses are only $40k. Looks like I'm only spending about $850 a month on expenses!

Dumb ass.
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Originally Posted By Dan_S⏩
Just like I said, retard accounting. You're using your returns on leverage to offset expenses and then pretending the expenses don't actually exist.

My investment returns are about $30k a year, and our expenses are only $40k. Looks like I'm only spending about $850 a month on expenses!

Dumb ass.
I was able to attain investments with very little income, dumb arse.

I would love to fkn see you or anyone do the same because it would literally be impossible for you knuckle heads.

Im extremely resourceful. Literally turning dirt into gold out chere.
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good to see this thread sent OP into the red
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Originally Posted By ReadyToLift2019⏩
Been following Dave

Simple semantics but if that’s what keeps you from running your life into debt then so be it but when you jump online and start advising others how to do the same, das not it mane
Dave is wrong when it comes to cars(the second largest expense). Beater cars don't save you chit. Why you think I got a used BMW i3 for $15k? I also happen to be a top tier automotive researcher, bb. Fkn lol at you driving in a pos that cost the same as my 2018 Bimmer(look at it from a monthly payment pov).

What else is he wrong about?Debt.Im living proof that not only debt can be good, it can be a game changer depending on your situation. But don't call it debt, its called leverage.

There's a lot of false speakers out there that are giving you bad advice. Im one of the few who looks out for his peeps, but yall redded me.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I was able to attain investments with very little income, dumb arse.

I would love to fkn see you or anyone do the same.

Im extremely resourceful.
not sure if srs


You're paying a bank interest to cover your living expenses, which like you said are very low, when you could just pay them with your income and use the remainder to invest


Also how are you covering living expenses of $1590/month or $19K per year with a loan that has a monthly payment of only $60? At that rate, even if your APR is <2% you won't even cover interest. SO what you mean to say is that you're paying $300/year to make no extra income, and pay a bank interest for a loan you don't need.


I'm also assuming your loan payments are graduated? So yeah this year you'll spend $60/month but the following years it increases?



No matter what way you cut it, you are making less money than if you didn't take the loan out. It looks good in year one with a very small loan payment. But over the life of your loans you're taking to cover living expenses, you will certainly end up with less money considering you are doing nothing that actually generates income, and the bank will be getting interest.


Strong. Post your graduated payment details and I'll run the numbers and prove it.
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Originally Posted By triception⏩
good to see this thread sent OP into the red
It's all part of his super secret speshul rep investment plan.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I was able to attain investments with very little income, dumb arse.

I would love to fkn see you or anyone do the same because it would literally be impossible for you knuckle heads.

Im extremely resourceful. Literally turning dirt into gold out chere.
Having your parents buy you a house is not resourceful you dumbfuk. Buying a used BMW chitmobile isn't resourceful either. You are 30 years old living in your parents living in your parents house and you are just beaming with joy at the fact you don't straight up live in their basement and want people to pat you on the back for it jesus christ. I'm betting moron OP is taking out student loans and is bragging about it lmfao.
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Oops. Did i turn op red?
No, life did.
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No, life did.
We're talking about op, not you, red.

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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
You're paying a bank interest to cover your living expenses, which like you said are very low, when you could just pay them with your income and use the remainder to invest
Why would I pay off the living expenses right now when I can get a loan on it at 3% interest? Whats to stop me from using my living expense money as investment money right now? Nothing. Investments work on the principle of "the sooner the better".
Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
Also how are you covering living expenses of $1590/month or $19K per year
My living expenses isn't 19k per year. I cutted out the largest living expense, which is housing. If I didn't have my house, I would rent an cheap apartment for $300 a month. That would still only make my yearly living expense around 9k. Im able to get it to 9k by being strategic and giving up some quality of life(mostly just housing). I don't skimp out on food.

The living expense is considered debt in which I make payments on every year. The income that I earn from a job is converted into 95% savings and investments, as compared to 10% savings for regular people because they use their income to pay for living expenses upfront.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Why would I pay off the living expenses right now when I can get a loan on it at 3% interest? Whats to stop me from using my living expense money as investment money right now? Nothing. Investments work on the principle of "the sooner the better".



My living expenses isn't 19k per year. I cutted out the largest living expense, which is housing. If I didn't have my house, I would rent an cheap apartment for $300 a month. That would still only my yearly living expense around 9k. Im able to get it to 9k by being strategic and giving up some quality of life(mostly just housing).

The living expense is considered debt in which I make payments on every year. The income that I earn from a job is converted into 95% savings and investments, as compared to 10% savings for regular people because they use their income to pay for living expenses upfront.
You didn't answer the question though. Even if you only take out a loan for $9K each year to cover your living expenses, that would take you over 14 years to pay back at $60/month and 2% APR.


So clearly you're on a graduated plan, meaning that while you get to invest most of your incomethisyear, in the future you will not be able to.


What are the loan terms? Prove me wrong.



edit: sorry you already gave me the APR, 3%. so at that rate, a 9K loan paid back $60/month would take 187 months, nearly 16 years.


Presumably you would take one of these loans out each year, or take one out each time interval for which the loan covers your living expenses. Either way, your payment has to be higher eventually or you will rack up unbelievable amounts of debt.
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
You didn't answer the question though. Even if you only take out a loan for $9K each year to cover your living expenses, that would take you over 14 years to pay back at $60/month and 2% APR.
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You do know that investments are suppose to give you an ROI, right? The returns are what pays off the little debt. And no fkn way in hell that its going to take 14 years to get an ROI on my investments.
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Only when those investments are going “up”. Not so much on the way down.
Thats why you invest in things that goes up and not down, Genius.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
You do know that investments are suppose to give you a return right? The returns are what pays off the little debt.
So each year your return on investments covers your loan?


in one year, a $9K loan paid at $60/month and 3% APR will have a balance of $8542. So each year, you take $8,542 of your returns and pay the loan down with it?

Then wtf is the point?
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Proof or negs. What interest rate are you borrowing money to cover you expenses at?
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
wtf is the point?
The point is using money to obtain investments RIGHT NOW as to opposed to having not investments. You cannot afford to obtain investments RIGHT NOW if you are using your income on living expenses - which is the situation for most folks.
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Dave work for the rest of us, we’ll for me at least/can’t speak for anyone else but I do wish you the best in all of your endeavors. Stay safe and think twice before ever betting the house boyos
I have to recant my statement about Ramsey. He's actually doing people a service. There are a lot of people out there who dont know how to use debt so they should steer clear of it until they can.

Debt is very much like fire. Fire can burn your ass or it can make some very cool stuff. So its all about being about to use it effectively.
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Negged for the loan fraud.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
No bro lol.

Im usually on this forum spouting stuff that goes against the grain. This is no different.

Regular people- they get loans to buy tools to make them money. That money is then used to pay for their living expenses

Me- I do the opposite from the mass. I get a loan for my living expenses(hypothetically). The money that I do make from a regular job, all of that money goes towards investments(which pays off the very little living cost that I have later on).

Like I said before, even with an associates degree you can only save around 7-10k a year. My money is all savings money directed towards investments. Again, money cannot be saved if you make a below 30k a year.

So, as you cucks can kinda see Im able to do a lot with very little. No silver spoons in this mouth, bb. But did I get help? Absolutely but its nothing crazy.

Banks are very important.
This doesn’t really explain anything...
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
The point is using money to obtain investments RIGHT NOW as to opposed to having not investments. You cannot afford to obtain investments RIGHT NOW if you are using your income on living expenses - which is the situation for most folks.
Let's use a realistic scenario.

Your monthly expenses in the OP without housing are $890/month or $10,680/year.

You take out $10,680 and pay $60/month on it.
You make $30K after taxes, and invest $29K of it.
After a year of monthly investing and 10% annual returns, your 29K is now $30,611.
Your loan is at $10,273. You pay it down with your brokerage account and you have $20,338 left at the end of the year.


Now say you don't take out the loan.

You make 30K/year after taxes or $2,500/month.
Pay your expenses of $890 and you're left with $1610/month to invest.
With the same returns that equates to $20,399 at the end of the year.



So you actually have $60 less in your investment account if you take the loans out and 'invest right away'

Congrats, you've done some serious mental gymnastics to make $-60 extra. Any additional returns you'd get with your 'sooner vs later' investment strategy, are eaten up by interest on the loan.
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
Let's use a realistic scenario.

Your monthly expenses in the OP without housing are $890/month or $10,680/year.

You take out $10,680 and pay $60/month on it.
You make $30K after taxes, and invest $29K of it.
After a year of monthly investing and 10% annual returns, your 29K is now $30,611.
Your loan is at $10,273. You pay it down with your brokerage account and you have $20,338 left at the end of the year.


Now say you don't take out the loan.

You make 30K/year after taxes or $2,500/month.
Pay your expenses of $890 and you're left with $1610/month to invest.
With the same returns that equates to $20,399 at the end of the year.



So you actually have $60 less in your investment account if you take the loans out and 'invest right away'

Congrats, you've done some serious mental gymnastics to make $-60 extra. Any additional returns you'd get with your 'sooner vs later' investment strategy, are eaten up by interest on the loan.
Don’t forget the taxes he has to pay on his investments when he cashes them out to pay his living expense loans back.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Thats why you invest in things that goes up and not down, Genius.
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Don’t forget the taxes he has to pay on his investments when he cashes them out to pay his living expense loans back.
Ah good point, so you'll pay 12% on that $10,273 you had to pull out of your investment account to pay your loan. There goes another $1,232

Also 10% annual return on investments is just laughably improbable. Maybe one good year, sure. But you can't count on that.


So OP well done on making $-1,292 extra each year with your deft investment strategy! It will only get worse with decreased ROI so you have that to look forward to
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
Ah good point, so you'll pay 12% on that $10,273 you had to pull out of your investment account to pay your loan. There goes another $1,232
Bro seriously, wtf are you thinking. Obviously you don't know chit about investing - there are so many ways to skin a goose. That in itself is an entirely different subject though.

But if you are to get anything out of this debacle, it is to use help from those around you. You can't do anything on your own.
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This doesn’t really explain anything...
It explains it...without actually explaining it.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Bro seriously, wtf are you thinking. Obviously you don't know chit about investing - there are so many ways to skin a lizard. That in itself is an entirely different subject though.
I won't lie I don't know too much about investing. But I appear to know more than you. If your method was sound, everyone with good credit would be doing it.
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I won't lie I don't know too much about investing. But I appear to know more than you. If your method was sound, everyone with good credit would be doing it.
I appreciate that you admit that you don't know much about it.

Remember that not everyone knows what I know and also my situation is different from everyone else. But the principals stay the same - that is the use of leverage. Without the banks and people, Id have nothing.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
But if you are to get anything out of this debacle, it is to use help from those around you. You can't do anything on your own.
I bought a $315K house on my own, at 25.


How did you get yours again? And where is it?
Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I appreciate that you admit that you don't know much about it.

Remember that not everyone knows what I know and also my situation is different from everyone else. But the principals stay the same - that is the use of leverage. Without the banks and people, Id have nothing.
You mean without your parents, you'd have nothing.
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01/02/2018 - 202.2 lb.
Current - 181.4 lb. (1/23/18)
post 1587321841 09-05-2019, 01:36 PM
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  1. swolegma
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  1. swolegma
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Originally Posted By dingler⏩
rent alone is almost 2k. Fml
Don't even try to complain about that lmao. Mines approaching 3.
B:230(tng) S:322 D:385, 364x5 (cnvt) @134
Your mind is your limit.
post 1587321881 09-05-2019, 01:36 PM
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  1. tunafishha
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
I bought a $315K house on my own, at 25.
Engineers make pretty good money though?
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